Are we a better team with Dak or Rush?

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Hey I think he’s one of the most overrated players in the NFL. Next year he’ll be the most over paid and overrated players in the NFL
your comments are more TMZ than football.....not sure any of what you means means or has to do with anything.
 

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The offense in terms of passing yardage and PPG is better, but the defense is suffering.

The defense is getting worn down from the offensive turnovers now. It's not a coincidence that the defense all of a sudden is playing worse now.

Hence why I said the team overall was better with Rush.
well, spoken just like a poster with an agenda....one who has no clue....

so the defense is getting worn down!!! with Rush the average TOP for cowboys was about 28:10 per game. with Dak its about 30:11

so its not a coincedence? really based on your logic the exact opposite should be happening.

spin away as you do!!! LOL
 

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So, offensive ranking is more important than wins to you?
no, that's not what he said....the job of the offense is to score more point, the job of the defense is to give up less. the offense is scoring more points. if rush played in any of the past 7 games cowboys would have been 1-7 with his output. the defensive coordinators figured him out. they kow he can't throw past 15 yards, so it made it easy to defend him. each game he got progressively worse.....Rams showed how to stop him. Eagles embarassed him.
 

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Stats don't tell the entire story.
Personally, I am behind Dak now because he's finally taken responsibility for his poor play at times, and I hope he will now improve.
But the offense under Rush was better, and the real fuel for the offense - the run game- was just getting going as DaK took over.
But it never ceases to amaze me how some of you feel so threatened by Rush that you are terrified to admit that he kept the offense clean and crisp, whereas Dak has struggled.
If the defense and the run game wasn't bailing Dak out, he would probably have a losing record.
so how was the offense better under rush. isn't he goal to score more points? so in your expert opinion, if we score less, we are a better team. if we hold on to the ball less, we are in better position. if we rush less, then we are ahead of the game, if the passing game is anemic, then we are better off. when we complete less passes, that's better.

no one here is threatened by Rush. everyone clearly understands that he sucks. people are worried about those incompetent posters who think Rush is their saviour and they are bowing before him already making him in their God.....all in pursuit of their anger and hate and dislike towards Dak.

its misguided
 

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So you're basically a Dak Davidian, "fighting the good fight" against the infidels. Got it
I’m simply here to expose the Dak Hacks.

I feel it’s a much needed pursuit to take on this vocal minority segment who attempt to troll the boards preventing more balanced subjective criticism and discussion for all to participate.
 
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We are not lucky to have him. We could do far better though he did play over his head during that run so he deserves credit for it.
Perhaps lucky isn’t the right word. We were fortunate to have a backup who could help keep the season alive in Prescotts absence.

In previous seasons when our starting QB went down our team often folded basically ending the season. Which many felt was possible again this year. But Rush does deserve credit for his part . It appears we have found a backup we can win some games with.
 

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They’re a big part in winning these games with Prescott.

We shouldn’t discount the job Rush did. He helped keep our season alive.
I agree but he was really the epitome of a bus driver. Some here wanted him to permanently replace Dak.
 

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Lol. Sure. I guess in your world it will be great next year when 49m of our cap goes to that clown.
you are no capologist for sure....all you all wet your pants, had premature ejaculation about the contract two years ago. the cap hits the past two years have been 18 and 19M....so based on your claims of his cap hit is too high and we can't sign anyone, it didn't quite work out for you...given this year we had 20M left on the cap, could have easily had another 20M and Jones boys decided not to sign anyone and get rid of the best WR on the team...

so now, you are shooting your wad way too early, given we are still in the middle of 2022 season and not even close to off season. you are already preaching doom and gloom for next year.

you might want to hold off on that a bit and pull your hands back and pull them out of your pockets
 

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I agree but he was really the epitome of a bus driver. Some here wanted him to permanently replace Dak.
I understand and who I’m attempting to call out.

I only responded because diminishing Rush role isn’t productive . He needs to be recognized while also realizing we are a more explosive and productive team offensively with Prescott which makes us a better balanced attack and formidable opponent in the playoffs.
 

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I’m talking
you are no capologist for sure....all you all wet your pants, had premature ejaculation about the contract two years ago. the cap hits the past two years have been 18 and 19M....so based on your claims of his cap hit is too high and we can't sign anyone, it didn't quite work out for you...given this year we had 20M left on the cap, could have easily had another 20M and Jones boys decided not to sign anyone and get rid of the best WR on the team...

so now, you are shooting your wad way too early, given we are still in the middle of 2022 season and not even close to off season. you are already preaching doom and gloom for next year.

you might want to hold off on a bit and pull your hands back and pull them out of your pockets
Dude I had two links in my post showing his hit this year and next year. I clearly said that it was next year where he becomes a cap albatross.

I am on the overthecap calculator quite often, so I get how things work. I just think Dak sucks. He is too inconsistent to trust for anything. He has two years left in his deal at 49m and 52m. Heck he will cost us 22m in 2025 even if he’s playing somewhere else.

JJ will likely move some of that 31m (2023 p5) to signing bonus which will lower his 23 cap hit…but that will just defer it to 24/25… we are still paying him that money.
 

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Surely all of this rubbish we heard earlier in the season has subsided?

Our offense has been in top 5 since Prescott’s return. We were close to bottom 5 while with Rush.

The winning percentage is similar but I can’t imagine anyone still thinking this team has more potential heading into the playoffs with Rush over Prescott.
Gee, I don't know. I was thinking it is time we give Will Grier a shot.
 

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I’m simply here to expose the Dak Hacks.

I feel it’s a much needed pursuit to take on this vocal minority segment who attempt to troll the boards preventing more balanced subjective criticism and discussion for all to participate.

Well everyone owes you a tremendous debt of gratitude. I'm confident you're already thanking yourself sufficiently for a job well done :laugh:
 

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well, spoken just like a poster with an agenda....one who has no clue....

so the defense is getting worn down!!! with Rush the average TOP for cowboys was about 28:10 per game. with Dak its about 30:11

so its not a coincedence? really based on your logic the exact opposite should be happening.

spin away as you do!!! LOL
You just don’t want to see it. I understand.

Turnovers from Dak help the defense apparently. I just don’t get why the stats don’t back it up.
 

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You just don’t want to see it. I understand.

Turnovers from Dak help the defense apparently. I just don’t get why the stats don’t back it up.

I notice you just keep arguing iron clad facts and every post he makes to you, me or any other dak critic is laced with personal insults

That's telling. Classic cult mentality. It's actually highly entertaining to watch you calmly destroy this guy while he endlessly flounders trying to portray any and all of daks detractors as idiots who "have no clue".
 

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I notice you just keep arguing iron clad facts and every post he makes to you, me or any other dak critic is laced with personal insults

That's telling. Classic cult mentality. It's actually highly entertaining to watch you calmly destroy this guy while he endlessly flounders trying to portray any and all of daks detractors as idiots who "have no clue".
That’s how some like to operate.

What they are not sure if they fill that space with name calling and insults.
 

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Yeah man. I get it. That’s the market value of a starting QB. Even decent starting QBs get a lot of money and replacing them with another decent one is not easy imo. So when someone says something like we could use that money to make our team better I’d genuinely like to know the plan.

I don’t think it’s a well thought out opinion and it’s shared by many who’ve I’ve also asked. I’m genuinely willing to listen with an open mind to a good plan and that’s why I ask, but I never really get an answer.

Lol, because it is an absurd question that would require someone to build an actual career in general management of a football team. You don’t need a full account of every detail of the opinion for it to be valid. The bulk of us can see that many other squads have moved on from QB’s even when lots of money and personnel/planning have been used to build around that QB (even when the QB is still on the books for lots of money).

Plenty of teams move on from cores of teams when postseason success does not happen, even though regular season success is dependable with that core.

Here’s a handful of ideas (assuming no NFCCG game appearance or dreadful performances from Dak in the postseason). You keep Dak next season obviously because of cap implications, but eat the cap hit without extending the contract. Trade Tyron Smith, but if not possible-cut him and save $9.6 million next year. Cut Ezekiel Elliott and save a little less than $5 million. Cut Jourdan Lewis and save $5 million. All indications are that the 2023 cap will be well over $220 million. These moves and possibly extending Lawrence for another couple seasons with some more guaranteed money would put the Cowboys under the cap by at least $28M and possibly $35M or more.

Go after Da’Ron Payne with a good sized contract for a nose tackle with a bit of pass rush (maybe Tomlinson if that falls through). Maybe 3 years of guaranteed backloaded 5 year contract with $30-40M guaranteed. Look to re-sign Tony Pollard, but no more than Payne and probably only $30M guaranteed. Look to re-sign Fowler, Donovan Wilson, Jonathan Hankins, Jason Peters, Noah Brown, Conner McGovern to small or sub mid-tier short contracts. Not sure that Cooper Rush would stay as a backup and not sure his market value (may be too expensive to re-sign, nothing more than $4M per season).

The biggest move I would attempt is trading for Laremy Tunsil. Offer this year’s first and next year’s 3rd (but I would be willing to go with a 2nd rounder) and maybe a 5th rounder this year too and maybe a 4th rounder next year. Sign him to a major contract extension (5 years and backloaded).

Target cornerback, linebacker, center, interior defensive line and edge rushers in the draft.

There you go. A semi-plausible scenario. If Dak plays terrible in the postseason-you move on regardless (look to move up in the draft with future picks and maybe a player-not in 2023 though). If he looks very good AND the Cowboys make it to the NFCCG, you can look into an extension.
 
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