Are we a better team with Dak or Rush?

[MountaineerCowboy]

Nope. He’s had a handful of poor throws this year that have led to picks.

But the notion he’s an INT machine and they’re all on him is insane. There have been multiple WR option routes botched, MG fell down on one, and balls that have bounced off WRs hands.

I hate INTs. But when you have aggressive QBs they’re going to happen…and not always at the fault of the QB. Again, go peep the league leaders in INTs. There’s a handful of studs that are in the top 10.

Have all those studs in the top 10 also missed 5 games like Dak?

 

[cnuball21]

Have all those studs in the top 10 also missed 5 games like Dak?

Does it matter?

Putting your hate for Dak aside…when you look at the INT leader list at the end of season and see a few really good QBs on it is it going to change your perception?

Let me guess…no.

 

[Bing]

You’re cracking me up dude. I’ve never in my life heard someone so hell bent on draft round being the end all be all. And QBs “taking their team to the Super Bowl.” That’s not real life. Brady and maybe Mahomes are like the only 2 dudes in the last 30 years that have done that.

Staffords W/L record against winning teams before the Rams was like 10%.

Well we all know you dont know your football now....

Let me prove you're wrong again. Go back and look at what rounds the two QB's playing in the superbowl each year over the last couple decades were drafted in. Out side of superman (Brady) they are pretty much are all 1st round picks.

2022 Stafford and Burrow, both 1st rounders
2021Brady 6th and Mahomes 1st
2020 Mahomes 1st Garoppolo 2nd
2019 Brady 6th Goff 1st
2018 Brady 6th Foles 3rd
Etc etc.
We can go all the way back to the last time Dallas won the superbowl with Aikman in 1996 to today. Names such as Bledsoe, Elway, McNair, Dilfer, Collins, McNabb, Big Ben, Both Peyton and Eli Manning, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan. Etc....every one of them a 1st rounder. So if you want a shot at winning a superbowl unless your QB's jersey says Brady on the back of it, he better be a 1st round choice.

The QB is the most important player on the team, he is your leader. He is the player teams are giving 100 million dollar contracts to. He is the player teams are willing to give up numerous 1st round picks to acquire. But then we have Dallas just sputtering along doing nothing over the past 27 years and have people on this site debating if a unknown walk on named Rush is just as good or better then our 4th round starting QB.....

Just imagine how good this team could be with any of those first rounders I have listed above.
I mean if you are going to be a homer at least be a homer to a top notch QB that can actually win the big game.

Here you are trying to defend a QB that has done nothing for Dallas. If Dak is so great why hasn't he won anything. I mean if he was as great as you make him out to be we should have a couple of superbowl wins by now... I mean it is year 7 of his experiment

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Does it matter?

Putting your hate for Dak aside…when you look at the INT leader list at the end of season and see a few really good QBs on it is it going to change your perception?

Let me guess…no.

It doesn't matter to you that Dak is 4 INTS away from leading the NFL despite missing 5 games?

That doesn't concern you one bit?

The INT leader list never concerns me unless the QB for the Cowboys is towards the top of it despite missing more than a quarter of the season.

 

[cnuball21]

Ok then what is your excuse for Dak. He has had a good to great team around him and hasn't won crap. I mean if he is so good in your opinion why hasent he been to the superbowl?


Oh and just to prove you're wrong again. Go back and look at what rounds the two QB's playing in the superbowl each year over the last couple decades were drafted in. Out side of superman (Brady) they are pretty much are all 1st round picks

2022 Stafford and Burrow, both 1st rounders
2021Brady 6th and Mahomes 1st
2020 Mahomes 1st Garoppolo 2nd
2019 Brady 6th Goff 1st
2018 Brady 6th Foles 3rd
Etc etc.
We can go all the way back to the last time Dallas won the superbowl with Aikman in 1996 to today. Names such as Bledsoe, Elway, McNair, Dilfer, Collins, McNabb, Big Ben, Both Peyton and Eli Manning, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan. Etc....every one of then a 1st rounder. So if you want a shot at winning a superbowl unless your QB's jersey says Brady on the back it better be a 1st round choice.

Did you watch the SF game last year? So you think our injured OL play might have been a problem? Let me give you a hint…Tyron gave up more pressures in 1 game than he did all season.

And again, you keep proving my point for me about it taking a good team. Stafford with the Lions never got anywhere…Stafford with a great team on the Rams win the Super Bowl.

This isn’t rocket science. It’s so easy to understand.

 

[cnuball21]

It doesn't matter to you that Dak is 4 INTS away from leading the NFL despite missing 5 games?

That doesn't concern you one bit?

The INT leader list never concerns me unless the QB for the Cowboys is towards the top of it despite missing more than a quarter of the season.

It would if every one of the picks was on him, but they aren’t. Dak is top 10 in EPA / play. We have the top scoring offense in football. One of the best red zone teams in football and one of the best 3rd down teams in football.

And your response about the INT list tells me you should watch other teams more. I strongly encourage it…it’s liberating and makes you feel better about your QB.

 

[NumOneQB]

Lol @ this thread title

 

[Bing]

Did you watch the SF game last year? So you think our injured OL play might have been a problem? Let me give you a hint…Tyron gave up more pressures in 1 game than he did all season.

And again, you keep proving my point for me about it taking a good team. Stafford with the Lions never got anywhere…Stafford with a great team on the Rams win the Super Bowl.

This isn’t rocket science. It’s so easy to understand.

Sure it's easy to understand, Dak is not a high enough quality QB to overcome any issues and if things are not perfect he is not going to win us the big games and things are rarely ever perfect.......its just that simple. History shows us that by looking at his record over the last 7 years, let me say that again, 7 years. If you think by some miracle Dak is going to greatly improve his play overnight you are sadly mistaken. Dak has peaked, he is who he is. I'm not in this group yet but many seem to think he is on his downfall and his best is behind him.

Look at the facts, we cant make this team anymore Dak friendly. Outside of Rodgers and Carr, Dak has the 3rd longest tenure on the same team of any QB in the league playing at this time. Rodgers should of already retired and Carr..well he plays for the Raiders...Probably the only NFL team whose owner can compete with JJ as far as being crazy

So of course we have to blame JJ for that as he loves to overpay and keep players much longer then he should but still Dak has been given more then enough chances to prove himself by winning big games but has failed to do so. Again if he doesn't win it this year, it's time to trade him to another team and move on to someone else. Because this rinse and repeat every year is getting old.

 

[kskboys]

Well we all know you dont know your football now....

Let me prove you're wrong again. Go back and look at what rounds the two QB's playing in the superbowl each year over the last couple decades were drafted in. Out side of superman (Brady) they are pretty much are all 1st round picks.

2022 Stafford and Burrow, both 1st rounders
2021Brady 6th and Mahomes 1st
2020 Mahomes 1st Garoppolo 2nd
2019 Brady 6th Goff 1st
2018 Brady 6th Foles 3rd
Etc etc.
We can go all the way back to the last time Dallas won the superbowl with Aikman in 1996 to today. Names such as Bledsoe, Elway, McNair, Dilfer, Collins, McNabb, Big Ben, Both Peyton and Eli Manning, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan. Etc....every one of them a 1st rounder. So if you want a shot at winning a superbowl unless your QB's jersey says Brady on the back of it, he better be a 1st round choice.

The QB is the most important player on the team, he is your leader. He is the player teams are giving 100 million dollar contracts to. He is the player teams are willing to give up numerous 1st round picks to acquire. But then we have Dallas just sputtering along doing nothing over the past 27 years and have people on this site debating if a unknown walk on named Rush is just as good or better then our 4th round starting QB.....

Just imagine how good this team could be with any of those first rounders I have listed above.
I mean if you are going to be a homer at least be a homer to a top notch QB that can actually win the big game.

Here you are trying to defend a QB that has done nothing for Dallas. If Dak is so great why hasn't he won anything. I mean if he was as great as you make him out to be we should have a couple of superbowl wins by now... I mean it is year 7 of his experiment

You stopped analyzing way too soon.

Most starting QBs are first rounders because most QBs w/ any potential are taken in the 1st, w/ many being overdrafted.

 

[Diehardblues]

Stats don't tell the entire story.
Personally, I am behind Dak now because he's finally taken responsibility for his poor play at times, and I hope he will now improve.
But the offense under Rush was better, and the real fuel for the offense - the run game- was just getting going as DaK took over.
But it never ceases to amaze me how some of you feel so threatened by Rush that you are terrified to admit that he kept the offense clean and crisp, whereas Dak has struggled.
If the defense and the run game wasn't bailing Dak out, he would probably have a losing record.

Clean and crisp ranked 27th in the league. Lol

 

[Diehardblues]

I would say a large portion of your posts are spent doing so...

Then you obviously don’t follow all of my other and mostly non related Prescott threads .

 

[Diehardblues]

And yet you felt the need to start this thread and have this discussion, even though "there isn't a discussion to be had". Interesting.

Guy got booed off the field week 1 vs Tampa
A few people were literally throwing trash on him.

Was the stadium just full of "agenda driven" people that day?

Yes I Don because it draws the Dak Hacks out of the woodwork. They can’t help themselves. Lol

 

[leeblair]

Clean and crisp ranked 27th in the league. Lol

And 4-1.

 

[Cowboys1966]

so you are disqualifying dak this year, because of the contract value next year, when next year hasn't happened yet.....

Hey I think he’s one of the most overrated players in the NFL. Next year he’ll be the most over paid and overrated players in the NFL

 

[DogFace]

There are tons of "rankings" out there. Show me what the ranking and the variables involved. If scoring, that's largely on the defense giving the offense a short field. Run game esp. #20 has been spectacular this year. I'm comparing QB's play only. Lastly, just watch the games. They both are inconsistent and largely dependent on talent around them. They both do not raise the level of play of their teammates.

Scoring is largely on the defense? You’ve basically disqualified yourself from this conversation. I’ll leave you with this if you care to learn about what’s going on factually. Your “eye test” is flawed.

 

[DogFace]

So, offensive ranking is more important than wins to you?

6-1 since he retuned. 6-2 overall. Why ask such a bad question When you know it makes no sense?

So, in your head, combine and compare the wins losses with and without Dak and the offensive rankings (that’s how the offense has performed) with and without Dak. Then you should be able to make some comparisons and draw some conclusions that will help you understand the contrast of having Dak vs not.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Rush was a solid backup. We are lucky to have him. This thread wasn’t intended to bash him. Rather to bash those who think we are a more formidable and balanced attack with him rather than Prescott.

We are not lucky to have him. We could do far better though he did play over his head during that run so he deserves credit for it.

 

[Whyjerry]

We are very fortunate we have a serviceable backup.

He is barely serviceable. The defense won those games.

 

[cnuball21]

Sure it's easy to understand, Dak is not a high enough quality QB to overcome any issues and if things are not perfect he is not going to win us the big games and things are rarely ever perfect.......its just that simple. History shows us that by looking at his record over the last 7 years, let me say that again, 7 years. If you think by some miracle Dak is going to greatly improve his play overnight you are sadly mistaken. Dak has peaked, he is who he is. I'm not in this group yet but many seem to think he is on his downfall and his best is behind him.

Look at the facts, we cant make this team anymore Dak friendly. Outside of Rodgers and Carr, Dak has the 3rd longest tenure on the same team of any QB in the league playing at this time. Rodgers should of already retired and Carr..well he plays for the Raiders...Probably the only NFL team whose owner can compete with JJ as far as being crazy

So of course we have to blame JJ for that as he loves to overpay and keep players much longer then he should but still Dak has been given more then enough chances to prove himself by winning big games but has failed to do so. Again if he doesn't win it this year, it's time to trade him to another team and move on to someone else. Because this rinse and repeat every year is getting old.

QBs don’t “overccome” their OLs getting absolutely wrecked. You need to watch other teams outside of the Cowboys. It would be helpful.

I also wouldn’t consider our OL being in the bottom 5 for pass pro win rate and having one of the worst WR rooms amongst playoff contenders being “Dak friendly.”

 

[cnuball21]

You stopped analyzing way too soon.

Most starting QBs are first rounders because most QBs w/ any potential are taken in the 1st, w/ many being overdrafted.

Our guy is very into 1st round QBs. Like any taken outside the first has zero chance of being good.

Very odd.