Are we going to be able to build a super bowl contender w/ Jayon and LVE?

[McKDaddy]

I just don't think LB is as important as other positions nowadays where most downs are passing downs.

getting a hybrid LB\S like JOK from ND could show significant improvement and be in line with modern concepts

 

[Hardline]

I still wouldn't draft Parsons with the 10th pick.

 

[John813]

They were both part of a top 8 unit 2 years ago with a DL that mostly stunk.

Yea. I think its both mental with both now. Jaylon imo has gone hollywood and LVE to me is double thinking everything and is playing timid.

It has been ages here since I've seen a LB like LVEhis rookie year. He had Lees vision but a bigger frame and more athletic ability.

But he was raw in taking on blocks straight up at times.

 

[Dre11]

We don't need a top 5 d to win a Superbowl. Give me 3 players up the middle of the defense to go along with what we have and were ready

 

[Bowdown27]

Doubtful

LB might be my 1st round pick.

I’m with you. Jaylon isn’t the answer. Lve can’t stay healthy. We need to beef up at dt and lb so no one gets through that line into the secondary

 

[csirl]

KC made 2 x SBs with the 2 x cast offs they replaced, so the answer is yes. Neither are irreplaceable.

 

[jazzcat22]

Serious question. Logically, I'd say we almost have to dump both and start over at the LB position before we can build a super bowl D. Can those guys be a part of a top 5 D? Serious doubts here.

Yes, with help in other areas, there is no reason not to believe so. The defensive / team issues were beyond these 2 players. Give them help, they will be fine. Other than some injury concerns. Still need to bring in a few LB's via FA / Draft.

 

[Rayman70]

Serious question. Logically, I'd say we almost have to dump both and start over at the LB position before we can build a super bowl D. Can those guys be a part of a top 5 D? Serious doubts here.

if this question is being asked, then you already know the obvious answer. A BIG FAT NO. Quinn was brought in early to evaluate things like that and to get his guys installed via free agency and draft. Its pretty obvious. The browns came in here for example, and made LVE and Jaylon look absolutely silly. Ownership saw enough of that all year.

 

[Rayman70]

KC made 2 x SBs with the 2 x cast offs they replaced, so the answer is yes. Neither are irreplaceable.

^that

 

[Rayman70]

Yes, with help in other areas, there is no reason not to believe so. The defensive / team issues were beyond these 2 players. Give them help, they will be fine. Other than some injury concerns. Still need to bring in a few LB's via FA / Draft.

MAYBE LVE can be reformed but I dont see the drive with Jaylon. Not so sure he gets it or even has what it takes. His FB IQ on game days seems bad. Now was that a product of the offseason and the new D scheme/Nolan?

 

[reddyuta]

making the gap assignments simple will help both,I feel both are not very bright and need things simplified.

 

[CouchCoach]

The toughest sell Quinn will have is getting Booger to part with his 1st rounder and cornerstone of this defense.

If the Cowboys put a DL like WFT in front of them, particularly 2 stout DT's to absorb doubles, they might get by with those 2 LB's but when has Booger ever done that? Johnson and Parcells saw the importance of the middle of the DL but I don't think that's a priority to Booger.

However, the good news is that Booger has shown the willingness to listen to his DC's in the past, that's how he got Charleton and Hill. I do think Quinn has a better bead on the D players needed.

The challenge is that they need help on all 3 units of the D and Booger has shown an inclination to lean toward the secondary, that's the easier sell to him and Quinn is new on the job.

 

[DuncanIso]

Serious question. Logically, I'd say we almost have to dump both and start over at the LB position before we can build a super bowl D. Can those guys be a part of a top 5 D? Serious doubts here.

yes. As long as they stay healthy.

 

[Rayman70]

making the gap assignments simple will help both,I feel both are not very bright and need things simplified.

agree. The FB IQ is a problem. Not sure that can be fixed.

 

[Jake]

Serious question. Logically, I'd say we almost have to dump both and start over at the LB position before we can build a super bowl D. Can those guys be a part of a top 5 D? Serious doubts here.

There are definitely two obstacles in the way of the Cowboys producing a SB defense, but they are not players (or coaches). If only we could dump them.

As for these players, Jaylon has the physical skills but looks lost at times. LVE seems to have a better grasp of the mental aspect but he's hurt too often.

 

[CouchCoach]

agree. The FB IQ is a problem. Not sure that can be fixed.

There's only two ways to fix that, change the D calls or change the players.

That was Landry's initial challenge with the Flex, took a certain kind of D plyer to execute it. Same with Belichick, he has to have a certain kind of D player to play his ever changing D and he gives a test the night before the games. No HC believes more that the game begins between the ears before it ever comes between the sidelines.

Some here are quick to call the DC out. On many of those replays on poorly executed plays, the player was in the tight position and made the wrong read and react.

Always comes back to the same thing, execution. Player misses a key block or tackle and the coach catches the heat.
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[Ranched]

Chill man they both are fine, we need to beef up the interior line

Cowboys nation was watching ole Jaylon be generally a bad player, week in & week out. There are caveats of course. After what should’ve been a Pro Bowl nomination in 2018, Smith regressed in 2019 (but got the honor). A new coaching staff took over, saw the tape & said he shouldn’t be a middle linebacker any longer & spent the truncated offseason with him on the weak side.

LVE was outstanding in his rookie season, however the last two seasons haven’t been as smooth. LVE missed 7 games in 2019 due to a lingering neck issue that required offseason surgery. In 2020, he missed an addition 6 games w/a broken collarbone & a high ankle sprain. They're getting paid to play, not ride the pine.

Invest draft picks on fixing defense!! 1st pick on Cornerback! 2nd pick on Jaylon Smith!! 3rd pick, on DE or DT !! Trade 4th thru 7th pick! For lower 1st or top 2nd replacement for Offensive Tackle !! BOOM!

 

[Diehardblues]

The toughest sell Quinn will have is getting Booger to part with his 1st rounder and cornerstone of this defense.

If the Cowboys put a DL like WFT in front of them, particularly 2 stout DT's to absorb doubles, they might get by with those 2 LB's but when has Booger ever done that? Johnson and Parcells saw the importance of the middle of the DL but I don't think that's a priority to Booger.

However, the good news is that Booger has shown the willingness to listen to his DC's in the past, that's how he got Charleton and Hill. I do think Quinn has a better bead on the D players needed.

The challenge is that they need help on all 3 units of the D and Booger has shown an inclination to lean toward the secondary, that's the easier sell to him and Quinn is new on the job.

Watch him take an OL , TE or QB with 1st pick. Lol

Which might be better than a bust pick on defense. Ha

 

[Diehardblues]

The toughest sell Quinn will have is getting Booger to part with his 1st rounder and cornerstone of this defense.

If the Cowboys put a DL like WFT in front of them, particularly 2 stout DT's to absorb doubles, they might get by with those 2 LB's but when has Booger ever done that? Johnson and Parcells saw the importance of the middle of the DL but I don't think that's a priority to Booger.

However, the good news is that Booger has shown the willingness to listen to his DC's in the past, that's how he got Charleton and Hill. I do think Quinn has a better bead on the D players needed.

The challenge is that they need help on all 3 units of the D and Booger has shown an inclination to lean toward the secondary, that's the easier sell to him and Quinn is new on the job.

Yea, if we keep these LB’s , assuming we go defense in 1st round , I’d bet CB.

 

[Rayman70]

Cowboys nation was watching ole Jaylon be generally a bad player, week in & week out. There are caveats of course. After what should’ve been a Pro Bowl nomination in 2018, Smith regressed in 2019 (but got the honor). A new coaching staff took over, saw the tape & said he shouldn’t be a middle linebacker any longer & spent the truncated offseason with him on the weak side.

LVE was outstanding in his rookie season, however the last two seasons haven’t been as smooth. LVE missed 7 games in 2019 due to a lingering neck issue that required offseason surgery. In 2020, he missed an addition 6 games w/a broken collarbone & a high ankle sprain. They're getting paid to play, not ride the pine.

Invest draft picks on fixing defense!! 1st pick on Cornerback! 2nd pick on Jaylon Smith!! 3rd pick, on DE or DT !! Trade 4th thru 7th pick! For lower 1st or top 2nd replacement for Offensive Tackle !! BOOM!

not sure how that guy can say "both are fine." This is still tackle football right? LOL