ARTICLE: Carter happy to be back in pads

[Alexander]

How the hell did he hurt the team in your "logical" opinion?

Disrupting the team at the beginning of training camp and forcing us to go with Vinny Testeverde? I call that hurting the team. It wasn't like we could go sign another free agent QB that late in the process.

Remember, you feel he was a scrub and shouldn't have even been the QB, now you are saying he hurt the team by his personal issues?

He could have competed and I believe he would have beaten out Testeverde. But that is besides the point. He was in a leadership role on this team. Players looked to him in that role. He betrayed their trust and the organization's trust.

So I assume you are/were not a michael Irvin, Leon Lett, Tuinei, Nate, Henderson, etc etc etc fan as they were all known to party a bit.

Partying a bit and being stupid enough to test positive and play at best, average, are two different things. Those players were simply more talented as well. If you cannot acknowledge that, I have nothing else to say to you.

Ditching of the team? Very logical guy. The team ditched him.

How did they ditch him? Do you have access to his diary or something?

They cut him because they had probably exhausted as much as they were willing to do with a player with his handicaps.

 

[Alexander]

This is like the good ole day. Aint it grand!

I do find it exhilerating.

And superior to the Henson/Romo debates.

 

[Lifetimeboyzfan]

There is a simple reason why I don't like Carter. Even if you make an accurate and reasonable assessment about any of his weaknesses, his supporters come out in droves to try to bash you. People have said terrible things to me just for having an opinion on the guy.

The guy got more excuses than any player I have ever seen.

So what if he worked hard? He abused drugs. He let his team down. He was a terrible teammate. He treated people lousy. On top of that, he wasn't even a very good QB. Why should I think he is a good guy and wish him luck?

Carter was given every possible opportunity and the only person he has to blame is himself. This isn't a conspiracy. The only reason Quincy is a backup in the CFL is because of Quincy. If you could bet on QC ending up in the CFL, I'd be a much richer man today.

I understand completely why some don't/didn't care for his QB play, but to demonstrate HATRED, personal hatred towards him is what I don't understand. Again, maybe he kicked someone's dog, stole lunch money, banged their wife or something. Sure, I don't like the fact that it didn't work out which set us back a bit, but the player gave it his all to try to make it work.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

You miss the point. Many NFL players have done much worse than Q, yet are still in the league. Brian Griese's a drunk, Kerry Collins' is a drunk, Leonard Little is a drunk and a killer. Ricky Williams who failed numerous drug tests was allowed to come back and Randy Moss admits he smokes weed. Plus, Ray Lewis was on trial for murder and Michael Irvin did a whole lot worse with drugs than Q, yet he was allowed to play. There's a double standard with Carter than with other players, some of who are qb's. That's what galls his supporters. He acknowledges that he messed up, but he didn't mess up so bad as to justify being banned from the NFL. There's just no fairness in the way he's been treated, either by the NFL or some so-called Cowboy fans.

These people is delusional.. of course they going to miss the point because they're in a world of their own...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You miss the point. Many NFL players have done much worse than Q, yet are still in the league. Brian Griese's a drunk, Kerry Collins' is a drunk, Leonard Little is a drunk and a killer. Ricky Williams who failed numerous drug tests was allowed to come back and Randy Moss admits he smokes weed. Plus, Ray Lewis was on trial for murder and Michael Irvin did a whole lot worse with drugs than Q, yet he was allowed to play. There's a double standard with Carter than with other players, some of who are qb's. That's what galls his supporters. He acknowledges that he messed up, but he didn't mess up so bad as to justify being banned from the NFL. There's just no fairness in the way he's been treated, either by the NFL or some so-called Cowboy fans.

With the exception of Griese and possibly Collins, the difference between QC and those other guys is Talent.

That is the bottom line.

If QC was a great talent, ala the likes of Moss,then he would be getting more chances in the NFL because someone would always take a chance on him.

QC may not be as bad as some people want to say, but he is far from the talent that say a Lewis, Moss or Williams is.

In this league if you have great talent, you get more chances. If you have mediocre talent or poor talent you get less.

Just the way it is.

 

[5Stars]

You miss the point. Many NFL players have done much worse than Q, yet are still in the league. Brian Griese's a drunk, Kerry Collins' is a drunk, Leonard Little is a drunk and a killer. Ricky Williams who failed numerous drug tests was allowed to come back and Randy Moss admits he smokes weed. Plus, Ray Lewis was on trial for murder and Michael Irvin did a whole lot worse with drugs than Q, yet he was allowed to play. There's a double standard with Carter than with other players, some of who are qb's. That's what galls his supporters. He acknowledges that he messed up, but he didn't mess up so bad as to justify being banned from the NFL. There's just no fairness in the way he's been treated, either by the NFL or some so-called Cowboy fans.

Ya think that just MAYBE all those players you just listed might HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER? I think they do...and if that's the case, as you pointed out, they are still in the NFL....how come QC isn't? You say he has all this talent....splain away!

 

[Alexander]

You miss the point. Many NFL players have done much worse than Q, yet are still in the league.

What's the point? Carry on. Enlighten.

Brian Griese's a drunk, Kerry Collins' is a drunk, Leonard Little is a drunk and a killer. Ricky Williams who failed numerous drug tests was allowed to come back and Randy Moss admits he smokes weed. Plus, Ray Lewis was on trial for murder and Michael Irvin did a whole lot worse with drugs than Q, yet he was allowed to play. There's a double standard with Carter than with other players, some of who are qb's. That's what galls his supporters. He acknowledges that he messed up, but he didn't mess up so bad as to justify being banned from the NFL. There's just no fairness in the way he's been treated, either by the NFL or some so-called Cowboy fans.

So, spit it out. I know exactly what you are getting at. It appears you are afraid to say it.

 

[Alexander]

With the exception of Griese and possibly Collins, the difference between QC and those other guys is Talent.

That is the bottom line.

If QC was a great talent, ala the likes of Moss,then he would be getting more chances in the NFL because someone would always take a chance on him.

QC may not be as bad as some people want to say, but he is far from the talent that say a Lewis, Moss or Williams is.

In this league if you have great talent, you get more chances. If you have mediocre talent or poor talent you get less.

Just the way it is.

His point is that it isn't talent.

It is something deeper. More insidious, vile and sordid.

 

[Lifetimeboyzfan]

Disrupting the team at the beginning of training camp and forcing us to go with Vinny Testeverde? I call that hurting the team. It wasn't like we could go sign another free agent QB that late in the process.

I agree, Quincy should have never signed Testeverde.

He could have competed and I believe he would have beaten out Testeverde. But that is besides the point. He was in a leadership role on this team. Players looked to him in that role. He betrayed their trust and the organization's trust.



Partying a bit and being stupid enough to test positive and play at best, average, are two different things. Those players were simply more talented as well. If you cannot acknowledge that, I have nothing else to say to you.

Of course they were better, so that gives them a waver in your eyes?

How did they ditch him? Do you have access to his diary or something?

They cut him because they had probably exhausted as much as they were willing to do with a player with his handicaps.

They cut him = they ditched him.. Why is that hard to understand?

 

[gbrittain]

I do find it exhilerating.

And superior to the Henson/Romo debates.

Definitely superior to the Henson/Romo squables. QC debates are epic in nature. This is the Super Bowl of forum debates right here let me tell ya.

 

[kartr]

And yet, I still can't figure out why Quincy got sacked MORE behind that line than Vinny did.

He didn't, they were sacked about the same, but Carter didn't have a decent rb to take the pressure off. When Julius was healthy, he could take over a game in 2004. Also, Quincy had no possession receiver to convert third downs, plus we played against tougher defenses in 2003(Pats,Bills,Dolphins,Panther,Eagles) than in 2004(Green Bay,Minny,Seattle,etc)

 

[junk]

I understand completely why some don't/didn't care for his QB play, but to demonstrate HATRED, personal hatred towards him is what I don't understand. Again, maybe he kicked someone's dog, stole lunch money, banged their wife or something. Sure, I don't like the fact that it didn't work out which set us back a bit, but the player gave it his all to try to make it work.

Did he really "give it his all"?

I would think kicking your drug habit might be "giving it his all".

Its not him personally that I can't stand. Its the rabid defense of him that I can't stand.

 

[kartr]

QC as a backup in the CFL. LOL How appropriate.

That wont last long.

 

[Chief]

7 pages in less than 2 hours, and still going strong...amazing.

It is amazing, isn't it?

The Quincy Carter phenomenon knows no bounds.

I think it's a combination of Carter himself and the position he was thrown into in Dallas.

Let's look at Carter for a second.

Controversy has surrounded this guy since his high school days. If I'm not mistaken, there was a huge recruiting battle between Georgia Tech and Georgia. He picks GT, then switches gears and goes to baseball.

While in the Cubs organization, Walt Hriniak, the veteran hitting coach, once called Carter uncoachable and said he had the "worst attitude I've ever seen."

When baseball doesn't work out, he goes to college football and picks Georgia over GT the second time around. He was a lightning rod of controversy at Athens. People either loved or hated the guy. He was a Heisman candidate one minute and a reject the next. Drug rumors were a big thing even then.

Then he opts for the NFL. Jerry loved his talent and thought he could get a first-round talent in the second round ... even tripping all over himself to trade up and down before making the pick. Afterwards, Larry Lacewell said that the staff had heard more awful stories about the guy than any other player they had ever researched, but he said they couldn't confirm any of the illegal stuff. He checked out clean, Lacewell said.

Then Jerry runs off Tony Banks and hurls Carter right into one of the most high-profile sports positions there is: quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Way before Carter was ready to handle it (emotionally, at least).

Carter had his good moments (the bomb to Rocket to beat the Skins and the great win over the Giants on Monday Night), and he had his bad moments (jawing with Jerry on the sidelines in Tempe).

In the end, Carter simply wore out Jerry's patience and lost Parcells' trust. He was moody and unpredictable. And you simply cannot have your quarterback failing drug tests. Just can't.

Carter coming to Dallas was like lighting a stick of dynamite. The explosion was imminent and it reverberates even today.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Disrupting the team at the beginning of training camp and forcing us to go with Vinny Testeverde? I call that hurting the team. It wasn't like we could go sign another free agent QB that late in the process.



He could have competed and I believe he would have beaten out Testeverde. But that is besides the point. He was in a leadership role on this team. Players looked to him in that role. He betrayed their trust and the organization's trust.



Partying a bit and being stupid enough to test positive and play at best, average, are two different things. Those players were simply more talented as well. If you cannot acknowledge that, I have nothing else to say to you.



How did they ditch him? Do you have access to his diary or something?

They cut him because they had probably exhausted as much as they were willing to do with a player with his handicaps.

Quincy basically got cut because someone did it.. which was Parcells.. Parcells wanted Vinny Testaverde to start...

I mention that on Cowboys guide that Vinny Testaverde was going to start and Quincy was going to end up cut by Parcells...

2 years now and we still haven't reach the playoffs...

Our team did a 360 when Parcells cut Quincy...

Cowboys went from a 10-6 Playoff season to a 6-10 non-playoff season with Testaverde and we got better with Bledsoe which still wasn't enough to make the playoffs with a 9-7 season...

 

[superpunk]

He didn't, they were sacked about the same,

OMFG....sacked "about" the same. What a joke. Although at least you actually responded, unlike your cowardly counterpart.

About the same is not the same.

If Q-card is bring touted for his ability to avoid the rush, shouldn't he have been sacked less than Grandpa Testaverde - excuse-bag be damned?

 

[kartr]

When Parcells became the Dallas Cowboys head coach in 2003 his intentions was just to bring his players in and win a superbowl, not win a superbowl with the Dallas Cowboys players.

Why do you think Larry Allen, Mario Edwards, Derek Ross, Quincy Carter, Woody Dantzler, Reggie Swinton, Antonio Bryant, Dexter Coakley, Dale'Roy Stewart, and more players are gone?

Because they was original Cowboys...It some players on this list I wanted to go like Dexter Coakley because he didn't fit into the 3-4. You have to think to yourself isn't this the team that help us to a 10-6 record?

We jelled in together as a team. When you play football you get use to other people as leaders on the team or as a relationship in the locker room, that's something you just don't separate. A team suppose to be a family, when a family member mess up you suppose to be there to help them.

When Parcells traded Antonio Bryant off to Cleveland for a injury prone wide receiver in Quincy Morgan, I was pissed...
When Parcells cut Derek Ross, a conerback who was suppose to start that year and lead us in interceptions the previous year, I was pissed...
When Parcells simply traded our leading kickoff returner and potentially good catching wide receiver Reggie Swinton off to Green Bay, I was pissed..
When Parcells cut Woody Dantzler a special teams guy who knows how to return kickoffs, I was pissed..

But when you cut a Quarterback that takes you to the playoffs for a 41 year old Quarterback, if everybody thinks this move was alright yall must be smoking something infinite worst than Quincy smoking....

If it was me I would've just gave Carter a four game suspension...I know Jerry Jones would have did the same thing, why?, because Jerry Jones dealt with it that long knowing he had a drug problem..

Great Post again. You're on a roll.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

That wont last long.

Good point:starspin

 

[Doomsday101]

That wont last long.

Chances are it will after all there is no drug testing in the CFL so QC does not have to worry too much

 

[Lifetimeboyzfan]

Did he really "give it his all"?

I would think kicking your drug habit might be "giving it his all".

Its not him personally that I can't stand. Its the rabid defense of him that I can't stand.

My defense isn't rabid at all. And yes, he did give it his all, as was evident by the hours he spent at the Ranch trying to improve.

I have a different view on the pot smoking thing. I don't feel like any employer should be able to control what you do on YOUR time. As long as you aren't showing up for work high or on something else, it isn't my business. Again, that is just my opinion and I realize and respect the fact that others don't see it the same way.