ARTICLE: Former Cowboy Mel Renfro has advice for S Roy Williams

[Royal Laegotti]

Nobody has claimed that.

Alright my bad, what you said was this:

"That's debatable, but it's not what I said. I said put him in the league 10 years ago, and he'd also be one of the top strong safeties in the league at that time. Put him in the league 20 years ago, same thing. Whether he's among the top 10 over the past 10-20 years, he'd certainly be under consideration -- and that's not bad for a guy who has played only 5 1/2 years. Darren Woodson wouldn't be on the list after his first 5 1/2 seasons, either."

Which I disagree with all of that.

Do you know who was the first player on the team to report to offseason workouts each day?

If you're suggesting it was Roy well big whoopie. Was he the last to leave too? But it doesn't matter even if he was, it's not always the quantity of the work but the quality.

Which is exactly what his coach, teammates and former teammates said, too. Oh, wait, they're ALL lying, right?

I'm sure not every single busted coverage is all Roy's fault but I believe alot are or he's not giving the proper help to the corner. Like with the Burress TD in week one, all he had to do was take a few steps to his right and he might have intercepted the ball, but he was totally lost, even Madden pointed that out. I've never heard all the teammates, former teammates, and coaches come to Roy's rescue either on this issue, not saying they didn't but I just haven't heard it. Even if they did, what are they thinking. But I'm sure they aren't going to come right out and throw Roy under the bus when asked about who screwed up the coverage, like he's done them.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I'm sure not every single busted coverage is all Roy's fault but I believe alot are or he's not giving the proper help to the corner. Like with the Burress TD in week one, all he had to do was take a few steps to his right and he might have intercepted the ball, but he was totally lost, even Madden pointed that out. I've never heard all the teammates, former teammates, and coaches come to Roy's rescue either on this issue, not saying they didn't but I just haven't heard it. Even if they did, what are they thinking. But I'm sure they aren't going to come right out and throw Roy under the bus when asked about who screwed up the coverage, like he's done them.[/quote]

Lol, be careful with this part because he will ask for examples....Since he is such the librarian, it's amazing how he just doesn't see these things we are pointing out........The funny thing is that they think we hate Roy or that we feel that Roys sucks, when the truth of the matter is we only want him to improve his average abilities in coverage......

 

[dallasfaniac]

Anyone can go and pull stats, but footage from every game that Roy has played in the pros?? Please!!!

Dude, you realize that the computer right in front of you is able to download every game the Cowboys have played right. I personally have recorded or downloaded every Cowboy game for the last 5 years and many more before that. I can post up videos of Chris Warren taking a direct snap and running 40 yards if you want.

 

[zrinkill]

It's amazing how you follow your own act Adam...

I take it as a GREAT compliment that you think I am Adam ..... in my opinion he is one of the most knowledgeable posters on this board.

But I believe Hostile and any of the other mods can tell you we are not the same person.

Adam is a much better poster than I am.

But keep making things up ..... it seems to be the only thing you have done in this thread.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

What troubles me about Roy is that whenever a QB begins to throw deep, you already know the pass will be completed, you know that Roy will be back there in coverage, and you know that Roy will be pointing fingers at the end of the play. At some point, he has to realize that he is (or at least a part of) the problem. I honestly think that Roy does not take his own conditioning and training seriously. You would think that someone with this type of criticism would at some point try to correct his own problems. IF he were to get serious and attack his agility and foot work problems, there is no doubt that he would be one of the top safeties in the league. What he needs to do is shed about 10-15 pounds, work on his agility, his footwork, backpedaling, tracking the ball in the air, wrapping up on tackles, and how to rotate his pointed finger on blown coverage assignments 180 degrees...

Excellent points my friend!!

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Dude, you realize that the computer right in front of you is able to download every game the Cowboys have played right. I personally have recorded or downloaded every Cowboy game for the last 5 years and many more before that. I can post up videos of Chris Warren taking a direct snap and running 40 yards if you want.

Chris Warren actually did that? In a Cowboys uniform? I don't believe it.

 

[zrinkill]

I have never understood the "logic" of this comment.

I think the problem is you are comparing it to knowledge ..... which it is clearly not.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Dude, you realize that the computer right in front of you is able to download every game the Cowboys have played right. I personally have recorded or downloaded every Cowboy game for the last 5 years and many more before that. I can post up videos of Chris Warren taking a direct snap and running 40 yards if you want.

What I meant by that is..........Why would anyone need to do that to see that Roy has issues when it's so obvious and you can look at games currently to see the results.........

 

[dallasfaniac]

Chris Warren actually did that? In a Cowboys uniform? I don't believe it.

Yeah, that was a big play in 1998/99.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

What troubles me about Roy is that whenever a QB begins to throw deep, you already know the pass will be completed, you know that Roy will be back there in coverage, and you know that Roy will be pointing fingers at the end of the play. At some point, he has to realize that he is (or at least a part of) the problem. I honestly think that Roy does not take his own conditioning and training seriously. You would think that someone with this type of criticism would at some point try to correct his own problems. IF he were to get serious and attack his agility and foot work problems, there is no doubt that he would be one of the top safeties in the league. What he needs to do is shed about 10-15 pounds, work on his agility, his footwork, backpedaling, tracking the ball in the air, wrapping up on tackles, and how to rotate his pointed finger on blown coverage assignments 180 degrees...

But get ready to be blasted by the Roy worshipers.

 

[Hostile]

Try removing your brain - if you live through the process, read the comment again.

Why would I want to think like a Skins fan?

 

[BAT]

........Roy is not good in Man to Man coverage.....he's not good on the deep ball.......he's not good in space....The SS is supposed to be the centerfielder of football..........[/B]Roy is not a good centerfielder[/B].......He's average, and will be until he improves his coverage skills.............

Untrue.


FS is the traditional centerfielder in football, at any level.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I take it as a GREAT compliment that you think I am Adam ..... in my opinion he is one of the most knowledgeable posters on this board.

But I believe Hostile and any of the other mods can tell you we are not the same person.

Adam is a much better poster than I am.

But keep making things up ..... it seems to be the only thing you have done in this thread.

Well it's great to see that you love crazy straws...Nevertheless what am I making up??
1. It's a proven fact that Roy is a liability in man to man coverage
2. It's a proven fact that when Roy is out of position to make a good decent tackle that he reaches out and lashes onto a players shoulder pads
3. It's a proven fact that Roy has problems on the deep ball
4. It's a proven fact that many analysts are correct on their assessment of Roy

So what is there to make up? I see plenty for you to turn your head and ignore that it exists.........But like I said, I like Roy Williams, but teams are no longer intimidated by him....he's now getting his lunch money taken

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Why would I want to think like a Skins fan?

Now that's pretty low there Hos.

 

[dallasfaniac]

1. It's a proven fact that Roy is a liability in man to man coverage
2. It's a proven fact that when Roy is out of position to make a good decent tackle that he reaches out and lashes onto a players shoulder pads
3. It's a proven fact that Roy has problems on the deep ball
4. It's a proven fact that many analysts are correct on their assessment of Roy

Can you provide links please?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

I take it as a GREAT compliment that you think I am Adam ..... in my opinion he is one of the most knowledgeable posters on this board.

But I believe Hostile and any of the other mods can tell you we are not the same person.

Adam is a much better poster than I am.

But keep making things up ..... it seems to be the only thing you have done in this thread.

Atleast you're right about that, but at the same time it's not sayin' a whole heck of alot either.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Untrue.


FS is the traditional centerfielder in football, at any level.

Get out while you can, you are about to enter the no logic zone. This person has clearly demonstrated time and again that they don't know the fundamental basics of this thing called football.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Untrue.


FS is the traditional centerfielder in football, at any level.

If a TE comes up the scene on the right side of the field who's responsible?
If a WR takes a deep in to the right side who's responsible? Ok, maybe I should've said RF...........I'm thinking more along the lines of his responsibilities when Woody was here..........over zealous I guess

 

[zrinkill]

1. It's a proven fact that Roy is a liability in man to man coverage

just like every other strong safety in the league.

2. It's a proven fact that when Roy is out of position to make a good decent tackle that he reaches out and lashes onto a players shoulder pads

his style of tackling (which I wish he would stop doing) has nothing to do with him being "out of position", he could have made any of those tackles the traditional way if he had wanted too.

3. It's a proven fact that Roy has problems on the deep ball

Just like every other strong safety in the league

4. It's a proven fact that many analysts are correct on their assessment of Roy

There are just as many analyst that say he is the best strong safety in the league.


Anyone can see the foolish things you have been saying in this thread .... Roy is average, Roy only tackles by pulling a guys jersey down, Roy always gets beat deep. You look even more stupid trying to deny it.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Get out while you can, you are about to enter the no logic zone. This person has clearly demonstrated time and again that they don't know the fundamental basics of this thing called football.

It was a mispost, I accept my error........I was meaning Right Fielder.....I'm human and man enough to accept the error........So maybe you should be man enough and accept Roy can't cover even if he had a blanket