ARTICLE: Owens ready to set up camp

[superpunk]

I guess because it is not the 1st time the so called slate has been wipped clean. Sorry after a while your not going to change many fans minds they only way they and myself will change our minds on TO is once he proves this is not the same old TO. Ball is in his court.

Just sounds like limited forgiveness to me. I don't believe in that. History is full of reform. Is it wise to have a little guarded skepticism when going into this sort of situation? Sure - we're ALL a little skeptical - after all, he who doesn't learn from the past is bound to suffer in the future, or something like that. There's no limit to my forgiveness, because there's probably no limit to the amount of times I'm going to need someone to forgive me.


But there's a difference between being skeptical, and entering the situation with minds ALREADY made up. One is reasonable, the other is close-minded and shallow. Being reasonable can hardly be described as naive.

 

[BigDFan5]

It is not my place to forgive him.

May wanna break your bible out for this one

So the statement" I have made some mistakes" is repentence. He does not appear to have learned any lessons and his rap song just proves it HE was mistreated and now he has his money.

More judgement, his saying he made mistakes is not good enough for you therefore you are doinbg exact opposite of what you are preaching

Back to topic; If my son goes to a Michael Irvin camp and he gets the chance to ask Irvin what he learned from the problems he had in the nineties I bet he would say that what he did almost ruined his life, his marriage and his family ( I think he has said that). He would tell my son that it was a terrible road and one that he needs to stay clear of at any cost.

and yet TO would say "F the eagles Cowbos rox0rs!!111? Give me a break. You obviously have shown a double standard here. Everyone can see it. Drug abuse, adultery, womanizing all ok after admitting you were wrong. Talking bad about your QB or team HORRIBLE bad bad man even after admitting he was wrong.

If my son goes to a T.O. camp and ask T.O. if he is proud of his rap song and he is proud of the way he has handled himself, is he going to say he was wrong or tell my son that he really does not know the whole story. I really have been the victim here.

T.O. does not appear contrite in any way.

Most likely would say this isnt the place to discuss it since thats not what the camp is for. I doubt Irvin would want to be disussing his past with some kids either.

 

[5Stars]

It is not my place to forgive him.

So the statement" I have made some mistakes" is repentence. He does not appear to have learned any lessons and his rap song just proves it HE was mistreated and now he has his money.

Back to topic; If my son goes to a Michael Irvin camp and he gets the chance to ask Irvin what he learned from the problems he had in the nineties I bet he would say that what he did almost ruined his life, his marriage and his family ( I think he has said that). He would tell my son that it was a terrible road and one that he needs to stay clear of at any cost.

If my son goes to a T.O. camp and ask T.O. if he is proud of his rap song and he is proud of the way he has handled himself, is he going to say he was wrong or tell my son that he really does not know the whole story. I really have been the victim here.

T.O. does not appear contrite in any way.

Tell me something...

If you had a daughter and she brought T.O. home and said that she is getting married to him, what would you say or do? I'm very curious, and serious...I would like to know how you would handle that situation.

Please don't skip around the question by saying you don't have a daughter...what would you do?

 

[BigDFan5]

Just sounds like limited forgiveness to me. I don't believe in that. History is full of reform. Is it wise to have a little guarded skepticism when going into this sort of situation? Sure - we're ALL a little skeptical - after all, he who doesn't learn from the past is bound to suffer in the future, or something like that. There's no limit to my forgiveness, because there's probably no limit to the amount of times I'm going to need someone to forgive me.


But there's a difference between being skeptical, and entering the situation with minds ALREADY made up. One is reasonable, the other is close-minded and shallow. Being reasonable can hardly be described as naive.

your posts get better each time

 

[Doomsday101]

guilty until proven innocent, we understand your view now thanks

Not at all. I expect TO to prove himself is that asking too much if so well too bad. Only person who can change my view about TO is TO.

 

[superpunk]

Tell me something...

If you had a daughter and she brought T.O. home and said that she is getting married to him, what would you say or do? I'm very curious, and serious...I would like to know how you would handle that situation.

Please don't skip around the question by saying you don't have a daughter...what would you do?

I think if she was getting married, I would have already gotten to know this dude personally. My response would be based on that, not what I had heard from others.

 

[superpunk]

your posts get better each time

Because I'm brilliant. And righteous. And I love marshmallows.

 

[BigDFan5]

Not at all. I expect TO to prove himself is that asking too much if so well too bad. Only person who can change my view about TO is TO.

So again guilty until proven innocent. Thanks we got it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just sounds like limited forgiveness to me. I don't believe in that. History is full of reform. Is it wise to have a little guarded skepticism when going into this sort of situation? Sure - we're ALL a little skeptical - after all, he who doesn't learn from the past is bound to suffer in the future, or something like that. There's no limit to my forgiveness, because there's probably no limit to the amount of times I'm going to need someone to forgive me.


But there's a difference between being skeptical, and entering the situation with minds ALREADY made up. One is reasonable, the other is close-minded and shallow. Being reasonable can hardly be described as naive.

Call it what you want but the guy has a history that is why people like Jimmy Johnson even came out and said for a year maybe. Maybe you should cut some slack on members of this team that you like blasting instead of telling me how I should accept TO with no question asked.

 

[superpunk]

Not at all. I expect TO to prove himself is that asking too much if so well too bad. Only person who can change my view about TO is TO.

It just doesn't sound like you actually mean it. On the one hand, you say you hope he proves you wrong - which means you've already formed your opinion about how this is going to work out. You claim that he is the only person that can alter your view, yet you go into this whole thing with that view set in stone.

Isn't it possible that you don't know everything that went on previously? Isn't it possible that he could be an entirely different person here?

If it is, then why have you already decided how things are going to work out?

Why not just wait and see?

 

[5Stars]

I think if she was getting married, I would have already gotten to know this dude personally. My response would be based on that, not what I had heard from others.

Actually that post was directed towards aikemirv...I would like for him to answer that.

aikemirv, if your daughter brought T.O. home, today, and you just knowing what you know right now about him...and said she is getting married to him, what would you do or say?

Please answer, it might give me a better understanding of your view on this subject.

 

[superpunk]

Call it what you want but the guy has a history that is why people like Jimmy Johnson even came out and said for a year maybe. Maybe you should cut some slack on members of this team that you like blasting instead of telling me how I should accept TO with no question asked.

Who did I blast? Calling a view hypocritical is not blasting someone. If that's how he feels - fine. But don't try to rationalize how a drug addict gets another chance, and the benefit of the doubt, because of what he says, and a jerk doesn't.

That logic doesn't fly.

 

[Alexander]

I try not to let athletes comments be watershed moments in my life.

What?

You mean you aren't scarred for life by the things athletes say or do?

You need to get your priorities straightened out in a hurry, mister.

 

[dmq]

Tell me something...

If you had a daughter and she brought T.O. home and said that she is getting married to him, what would you say or do? I'm very curious, and serious...I would like to know how you would handle that situation.

Please don't skip around the question by saying you don't have a daughter...what would you do?

I would ask if she could get me free Cowboys tickets in a luxury box.

 

[Alexander]

People will rue the day this Charity camp takes place.

Soon al of Dallas will burn while the Anti-Christ TO sits on his throne of flames and laughs at the inoccent victims left in the wake of his new world order!!

I love that word:

RUE

It just is dripping with drama.

 

[superpunk]

Call it what you want but the guy has a history that is why people like Jimmy Johnson even came out and said for a year maybe.

Jimmy Johnson said that because that's the overall media company line. A year, they say. How many years did he play in San Francisco? Has he played with a tough, although endearing coach, like Parcells? How alike are Mariucci and Reid in disciplinary action? Do either of them strike you as strong personalities, capable of dealing with other strong personalities? Do you see their weak personalities reflected in their teams, who consistently fold when the pressure is on? Do you see that from guys like Parcells and TO, who are at their best when that pressure is on?

Jimmy spews it because that's the line everyone's hopping on. Because that's how it happened in Philly. They ignore everything else, and say "because it happened there, it MUST happen here." Bull. Everything is always the same, right?

 

[aikemirv]

Tell me something...

If you had a daughter and she brought T.O. home and said that she is getting married to him, what would you say or do? I'm very curious, and serious...I would like to know how you would handle that situation.

Please don't skip around the question by saying you don't have a daughter...what would you do?

I have a daughter , she is six. I would tell her with anyone she wants to marry that the Bible says to not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. Make sure he is a Christian before you marry him.

 

[BigDFan5]

I love that word:

RUE

It just is dripping with drama.

Since I can't use "Parcells silence is deafening" anymore I think I will be going with Rue

 

[5Stars]

I have a daughter , she is six. I would tell her with anyone she wants to marry that the Bible says to not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. Make sure he is a Christian before you marry him.

Thanks, I respect that...

You get 5 shiney Stars!

 

[BigDFan5]

I have a daughter , she is six. I would tell her with anyone she wants to marry that the Bible says to not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. Make sure he is a Christian before you marry him.

So your daughter can marry TO but your son can't go to his camp? lol