ARTICLE: Owens ready to set up camp

[aikemirv]

Jesus said, "But when you are praying, first forgive anyone you are holding a grudge against, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins, too.” (Mark 11:25, 26)

I don't hold a personal grudge against T.O..

This was about whether you would send a kid to his camp and therefore endorsing behavior such as his.

I have said before. T.O. is the antithesis of team sports. He is the antithesis of humility. I don't like having that poster boy representing the Cowboys.

There are many peoples behavior that disgust me, I don't hold a grudge against them. I can say that something is right or wrong without holding a grudge.

 

[Doomsday101]

Point is you should be condeming anyone who has not harmed you or yours (Cowboys)

To bash him for something that did not effect us, instead of giving him a shot at retribution is wrong.

As for bible verses I am not the one that broke them out.

What is wrong is this hypocrisy taking place here. You guys slammed TO just like you do other players on teams you don't like but now that he is a Cowboy you sit here with bible verses defending his actions. Give me a break. TO is getting this response by many Cowboy fans because they have witnessed his antics for years and hate to think he will do so with a team that we have supported for many years. I honestly do hope things work out but after seeing his act he will have to show he has changed before many change their views of him.

 

[aikemirv]

In the press conference introducing TO in Dallas he said:

ANd then he wrote a rap song and is going to publish a book about the past.

Please...

Try a little harder.

 

[Doomsday101]

ANd then he wrote a rap song and is going to publish a book about the past.

Please...

Try a little harder.

Funny thing is they showed the Philly press conferance not long ago and it he was saying the same things to the Philly press about learning from mistakes and changing. That lasted less than a year.

 

[BigDFan5]

What is wrong is this hypocrisy taking place here. You guys slammed TO just like you do other players on teams you don't like but now that he is a Cowboy you sit here with bible verses defending his actions. Give me a break. TO is getting this response by many Cowboy fans because they have witnessed his antics for years and hate to think he will do so with a team that we have supported for many years. I honestly do hope things work out but after seeing his act he will have to show he has changed before many change their views of him.

Again I countered someone elses bible verses so you give me the break.


and personally I could care less about the Eagles or 9ers I laughed my *** off everytime he did somethign there. Its called being a Cowboys fan we dont give a **** about the other teams.


So again I say until he shows something negative here give him a break, He said he was wrong in the past and that he will do what is asked of him. Why are you so high and mighty that you don;t care what he says? Who are you to decide who is being honest before giving them a chance?

 

[5Stars]

What is wrong is this hypocrisy taking place here. You guys slammed TO just like you do other players on teams you don't like but now that he is a Cowboy you sit here with bible verses defending his actions. Give me a break. TO is getting this response by many Cowboy fans because they have witnessed his antics for years and hate to think he will do so with a team that we have supported for many years. I honestly do hope things work out but after seeing his act he will have to show he has changed before many change their views of him.

Very true...however, how is he going to be able "to show" if he's trying to change if noone will have the faith that he just might be able to change?

Also, yeah, I'm guilty of berating him when he was not on the Cowboy team...so I'm biased...hoping that he will change.

In 30 seconds, everyone of us in this discussion, as well as elsewhere, are going to be different people...stuff happens!

 

[Aikmaniac]

How in the world did this thread get so long?

Oh wait...T.O.

Carry on.

 

[BigDFan5]

ANd then he wrote a rap song and is going to publish a book about the past.

Please...

Try a little harder.

So lets get this straight you said you would "forgive him" if he admitted he was wrong, and then when shown he did admit he made mistakes in the past you still don;t forgive him. That some set of morals you have there. I guess saying one thing and then doing another is not bad morals. I guess you are the man who can judge others by a song LMAO or a book that hasnt been published. If the morals you are preaching on here are the same as the morals you are showing, I think I would rather find a different set of morals to follow.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again I countered someone elses bible verses so you give me the break.


and personally I could care less about the Eagles or 9ers I laughed my *** off everytime he did somethign there. Its called being a Cowboys fan we dont give a **** about the other teams.


So again I say until he shows something negative here give him a break, He said he was wrong in the past and that he will do what is asked of him. Why are you so high and mighty that you don;t care what he says? Who are you to decide who is being honest before giving them a chance?

It is called learning for others mistakes, as far as who am I to decide who is being honest before giving him a chance? He has had chances sorry I'm not giving the benifet of the doubt TO will show himself as changed and until he does I expect to see the same classless punk as I have constantly seen from him. I'm not as naive as you are.

 

[BigDFan5]

It is called learning for others mistakes, as far as who am I to decide who is being honest before giving him a chance? He has had chances sorry I'm not giving the benifet of the doubt TO will show himself as changed and until he does I expect to see the same classless punk as I have constantly seen from him. I'm not as naive as you are.

Has nothing to do with naive, it has to do with faith in human beings. I don;t deem myself so high and mighty that when someone admits their wrongs and tells me they will do better, That I disregard them totally.

 

[Doomsday101]

Very true...however, how is going to be able "to show" if he's trying to change if noone will have the faith that he just might be able to change?

Also, yeah, I'm guilty of berating him when he was not on the Cowboy team...so I'm biased...hoping that he will change.

In 30 seconds, everyone of us in this discussion, as well as elsewhere, are going to be different people...stuff happens!

He will get his chance because Jerry Jones has signed him and paid him. There was no asking the fans what they think so TO will get his chance regardless of how anyone feels. What TO does with yet another chance is all on him, if he can conduct himself as a professional and a good member of this team you will find most will be willing to put all this off behind them but there comes a time that it is up to the person himself to show he has changed this is his chance.

 

[superpunk]

It is called learning for others mistakes, as far as who am I to decide who is being honest before giving him a chance? He has had chances sorry I'm not giving the benifet of the doubt TO will show himself as changed and until he does I expect to see the same classless punk as I have constantly seen from him. I'm not as naive as you are.

How is it being naive to wipe the slate clean, and just see what happens, rather than *****ing and moaning and whining and crying and sticking our noses up in the air?

I was against TO, I had the button. So did BigD I think. Whatever. He's here now. People can change. People have changed. Keyshawn was viewed the same way before he came here, now he's one of my favorites. The whole "guilty until proven innocent" line is ultra-lame. Whatever happens, happens.

Passing judgement on someone before he plays a down based solely on what happened in the past, while NOT knowing the entire situation - is flat stupid.

 

[aikemirv]

Then you are going against what the bible says.

You are talking about personal relationships and I am talking about holding someone up as a role model for my kids as far as the camp goes. I can't put my kid in a camp that condones that type of behavior.

As far as the rest about T.O. goes and how it relates to the Cowboys, I think he will be a detriment to the team and he has done nothing to show that he has changed, when he does I will be happy for him and the Cowboys, if he changes then great.

Some of these things kind of go hand in hand. You ask me why I would not put my kid there, I have to state the reason, that reason then declares that I am judging him, which I have no right to do, "judge not lest ye be judged". You can state right and wrong without being a judge - it is a very fine line but if you ask for a reason then that is it and I based it on what the Bible says. Stating what is right and wrong is not being a judge.

 

[BigDFan5]

How is it being naive to wipe the slate clean, and just see what happens, rather than *****ing and moaning and whining and crying and sticking our noses up in the air?

Exactly

I was against TO, I had the button. So did BigD I think.

I didn't only have the "Say no to TO" button I am the one that made it LOL

Whatever. He's here now. People can change. People have changed.

Keyshawn was viewed the same way before he came here, now he's one of my favorites. The whole "guilty until proven innocent" line is ultra-lame. Whatever happens, happens.

Passing judgement on someone before he plays a down based solely on what happened in the past, while NOT knowing the entire situation - is flat stupid.

Great post

 

[Doomsday101]

Has nothing to do with naive, it has to do with faith in human beings. I don;t deem myself so high and mighty that when someone admits their wrongs and tells me they will do better, That I disregard them totally.

That is you. Myself give everyone a chance but this is not the 1st time he has been given a second chance. Philly gave him a chance and he once again blew it. Lastly I'm not talking about the man soul this is not life or death, heaven or hell we are talking about. I wish no ill will on any person. We are talking football a game and a team.

 

[5Stars]

He will get his chance because Jerry Jones has signed him and paid him. There was no asking the fans what they think so TO will get his chance regardless of how anyone feels. What TO does with yet another chance is all on him, if he can conduct himself as a professional and a good member of this team you will find most will be willing to put all this off behind them but there comes a time that it is up to the person himself to show he has changed this is his chance.

Very true...let's hope "3rd times a charm"!

Listen, I have as much doubt about him as others...however, I willing to give him the chance to prove to me otherwise.

So, to get back to the subject? Absoutely, I would send my kid to his football camp! That was the orginal question. T.O., all by his bad self, is not going to change the culture of the whole universe, as some believe he is capable of doing.

:starspin

 

[Doomsday101]

How is it being naive to wipe the slate clean, and just see what happens, rather than *****ing and moaning and whining and crying and sticking our noses up in the air?

I was against TO, I had the button. So did BigD I think. Whatever. He's here now. People can change. People have changed. Keyshawn was viewed the same way before he came here, now he's one of my favorites. The whole "guilty until proven innocent" line is ultra-lame. Whatever happens, happens.

Passing judgement on someone before he plays a down based solely on what happened in the past, while NOT knowing the entire situation - is flat stupid.

I guess because it is not the 1st time the so called slate has been wipped clean. Sorry after a while your not going to change many fans minds they only way they and myself will change our minds on TO is once he proves this is not the same old TO. Ball is in his court.

 

[BigDFan5]

You are talking about personal relationships and I am talking about holding someone up as a role model for my kids as far as the camp goes. I can't put my kid in a camp that condones that type of behavior.

Condones? Do you seriously think they will be teaching that bahavior at the camp?? But you do condone sending your kid to a camp of someone who was a womanizer, committed adultery, and did illegal drugs and was arrested, but at least he didn't say mean things about someone right?

As far as the rest about T.O. goes and how it relates to the Cowboys, I think he will be a detriment to the team and he has done nothing to show that he has changed, when he does I will be happy for him and the Cowboys, if he changes then great.

You said you would forgive him if he addmitted he was wrong, when shown where he did admit his mistakes you blew it off and did not back up your own words. Some loose moral value at play there.

Some of these things kind of go hand in hand. You ask me why I would not put my kid there, I have to state the reason, that reason then declares that I am judging him, which I have no right to do, "judge not lest ye be judged".

Because you are judging him, you judged him in this very post! "I think he will be a detriment to the team and he has done nothing to show that he has changed" Thats called Judgment

You can state right and wrong without being a judge - it is a very fine line but if you ask for a reason then that is it and I based it on what the Bible says. Stating what is right and wrong is not being a judge.

and yet here you set in judgement defining what YOU believe he has shown, and not accepting him admitting his mistakes

 

[BigDFan5]

That is you. Myself give everyone a chance but this is not the 1st time he has been given a second chance. Philly gave him a chance and he once again blew it. Lastly I'm not talking about the man soul this is not life or death, heaven or hell we are talking about. I wish no ill will on any person. We are talking football a game and a team.

guilty until proven innocent, we understand your view now thanks

 

[aikemirv]

So lets get this straight you said you would "forgive him" if he admitted he was wrong, and then when shown he did admit he made mistakes in the past you still don;t forgive him. That some set of morals you have there. I guess saying one thing and then doing another is not bad morals. I guess you are the man who can judge others by a song LMAO or a book that hasnt been published. If the morals you are preaching on here are the same as the morals you are showing, I think I would rather find a different set of morals to follow.

It is not my place to forgive him.

So the statement" I have made some mistakes" is repentence. He does not appear to have learned any lessons and his rap song just proves it HE was mistreated and now he has his money.

Back to topic; If my son goes to a Michael Irvin camp and he gets the chance to ask Irvin what he learned from the problems he had in the nineties I bet he would say that what he did almost ruined his life, his marriage and his family ( I think he has said that). He would tell my son that it was a terrible road and one that he needs to stay clear of at any cost.

If my son goes to a T.O. camp and ask T.O. if he is proud of his rap song and he is proud of the way he has handled himself, is he going to say he was wrong or tell my son that he really does not know the whole story. I really have been the victim here.

T.O. does not appear contrite in any way.