Ashton Jeanty was a JAG against Penn State

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Certainly not his best game but it would be a mistake to discredit Jeanty after this one. He still racked up double digit broken tackles and broke 3 runs for chunk yards. Jeanty at his worst still wasn’t that bad. His YPC numbers seem to be more due to penn state having better players in the trenches and simply focusing on stopping the run.

I’m not sure Jeanty in round 1 is the best move for the cowboys but I don’t think he was really exposed. He should still be the top RB taken.
Both him and Skattebo have a lot of tread off of their tires. Neither guy seems to avoid big hits very well (especially Skattebo, who seems to invite these collisions). I would not use a high draft pick on either guy, in large part because I don't think they will have a longer, effective career.
 

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Both him and Skattebo have a lot of tread off of their tires. Neither guy seems to avoid big hits very well (especially Skattebo, who seems to invite these collisions). I would not use a high draft pick on either guy, in large part because I don't think they will have a longer, effective career.
I have no issue with that take at all. Rb longevity is a major issue and How much these guys have been used is semi alarming. These guys are touching the ball 35 times as the only real weapon on these offenses. It might be best for both these RBs that their seasons ended today and they don’t have more games to play.
 

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Certainly not his best game but it would be a mistake to discredit Jeanty after this one. He still racked up double digit broken tackles and broke 3 runs for chunk yards. Jeanty at his worst still wasn’t that bad. His YPC numbers seem to be more due to penn state having better players in the trenches and simply focusing on stopping the run.

I’m not sure Jeanty in round 1 is the best move for the cowboys but I don’t think he was really exposed. He should still be the top RB taken.
If you are drafting him based on his productivity, you have to look at his competition. He destroyed the Mountain West. That's not exactly playing against future NFL players on defense every week. So, I think a poor showing against PSU absolutely hurts his draft stock. He's still going in round 1 most likely, But , like you, I hope not to the cowboys. He's not Saqaun Barkley or Adrian Peterson.
 

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Both him and Skattebo have a lot of tread off of their tires. Neither guy seems to avoid big hits very well (especially Skattebo, who seems to invite these collisions). I would not use a high draft pick on either guy, in large part because I don't think they will have a longer, effective career.
I don't think we should ever use a high draft pick on a rb. That said, I think Scattebo offers more than Jeanty.
 

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If you are drafting him based on his productivity, you have to look at his competition. He destroyed the Mountain West. That's not exactly playing against future NFL players on defense every week. So, I think a poor showing against PSU absolutely hurts his draft stock. He's still going in round 1 most likely, But , like you, I hope not to the cowboys. He's not Saqaun Barkley or Adrian Peterson.
What I’m suggesting is it really wasn’t a poor showing. He logged 16 broken tackles and 81 of his 104 rushing yards came after contact. The box score stats were a lot worse than the deeper metrics show. This had more to do with penn state exposing thre Boise offense as a whole than it had to do with Jeanty the individual.
 

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What I’m suggesting is it really wasn’t a poor showing. He logged 16 broken tackles and 81 of his 104 rushing yards came after contact. The box score stats were a lot worse than the deeper metrics show. This had more to do with penn state exposing thre Boise offense as a whole than it had to do with Jeanty the individual.
He had 30 rushes. So, any cumulative stats are meaningless. 16 broken tackles in 30 rushing attempts isn't impressive. I realize he had a great statistical season, but I'm just not impressed after watching him play. Skattebo was way more impressive.
 

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He had 30 rushes. So, any cumulative stats are meaningless. 16 broken tackles in 30 rushing attempts isn't impressive. I realize he had a great statistical season, but I'm just not impressed after watching him play. Skattebo was way more impressive.
Skattebo may go about 80 spots behind Jeanty.
 

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He had 30 rushes. So, any cumulative stats are meaningless. 16 broken tackles in 30 rushing attempts isn't impressive. I realize he had a great statistical season, but I'm just not impressed after watching him play. Skattebo was way more impressive.
If you like Skattebo better as a prospect that's completely fine, I think its a reasonable debate, but downplaying 16 broken tackles is wild to me. Skattebo to compare today had 8 on the same number of carries.
 

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Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, or Adrian Peterson wouldn’t have fared much better last night.
cmon now. Ya'll are getting wild!!

Barry would have probably housed a couple. Emmitt & Adrian do better as well. These guys are HOF"ers. He's a guy who may prove to be comparable in some way but for now he's a guy who put up big numbers in the Mountain West.

We've seen this story too many times. Guys get overhyped and then the cold hard truth of football at the highest level exposes the resume.
 

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cmon now. Ya'll are getting wild!!

Barry would have probably housed a couple. Emmitt & Adrian do better as well. These guys are HOF"ers. He's a guy who may prove to be comparable in some way but for now he's a guy who put up big numbers in the Mountain West.

We've seen this story too many times. Guys get overhyped and then the cold hard truth of football at the highest level exposes the resume.
Oh really? You ever read about Emmitt’s final game as a Florida Gator in the 1989 Freedom Bowl? He had 17 yards rushing in a 34-7 loss to Univ of Washington. It was Emmitt’s worst game EVER. Four months later he was drafted by Dallas and the rest is history.

One game where Jeanty rushed for over 100 yards against a really good Penn State D and he’s “overhyped”? I’m not saying he’s as good as Emmitt or Barry, I’m just saying one bowl game does not indicate a player’s value.
 

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Oh really? You ever read about Emmitt’s final game as a Florida Gator in the 1989 Freedom Bowl? He had 17 yards rushing in a 34-7 loss to Univ of Washington. It was Emmitt’s worst game EVER. Four months later he was drafted by Dallas and the rest is history.

One game where Jeanty rushed for over 100 yards against a really good Penn State D and he’s “overhyped”? I’m not saying he’s as good as Emmitt or Barry, I’m just saying one bowl game does not indicate a player’s value.
The difference is the competition. Sure Emmitt had a bad bowl , but you had 3 years of him running against SEC defenses. So, you could say with confidence that he just had a tough day. With Jeanty, you have seen him piling up yards in the Mountain West which is hardly known for defense. So, you have to scrutinize bad games against power conference teams a little more.
 

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Oh really? You ever read about Emmitt’s final game as a Florida Gator in the 1989 Freedom Bowl? He had 17 yards rushing in a 34-7 loss to Univ of Washington. It was Emmitt’s worst game EVER. Four months later he was drafted by Dallas and the rest is history.

One game where Jeanty rushed for over 100 yards against a really good Penn State D and he’s “overhyped”? I’m not saying he’s as good as Emmitt or Barry, I’m just saying one bowl game does not indicate a player’s value.
Yeah but you did say he was essentially equal to them. Saying the best who have ever done it could have done no better is just too bold.

He will have his chance to prove himself but it's also fair for people to question how good he will really be against better competition.
 

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He was running behind a line of mid rounders and UDFAs against a front 7 consisting of several blue chip players that had only allowed 1 100 yard rusher on the year. Rough start. The fumbles were a problem, but he only had 2 on the season prior to the game. He also flashed high end potential, and fought for every years he gained. Do you think he would have had similar struggles running behind the Ohio State, Oregon, or Georgia lines? I do not. Take him in the 1st and don't look back.
 

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The difference is the competition. Sure Emmitt had a bad bowl , but you had 3 years of him running against SEC defenses. So, you could say with confidence that he just had a tough day. With Jeanty, you have seen him piling up yards in the Mountain West which is hardly known for defense. So, you have to scrutinize bad games against power conference teams a little more.
25 carries, 192 yards, 7.7 ypc 3 TDs against #1 seed Oregon

26 carries, 259 yards, 10 ypc, 4 TDs against WSU. Mountain west this year, PAC-12 last year

32 carries, 209 yards, 6.5 ypc, 1 TD against #20 UNLV

30 carries, 109 yds, 3.5 ypc against the #4 defense in the country behind a mountain west line

374 carries, 2,601yards, 7.0 ypc, 29 TDs on the year, second most ever in a season.

Don't get carried away trying to analyze a single game when there's a season worth of film showing the kid is a great running back.
 

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Yeah but you did say he was essentially equal to them. Saying the best who have ever done it could have done no better is just too bold.

He will have his chance to prove himself but it's also fair for people to question how good he will really be against better competition.
No I did not say he was equal to them. I literally said Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith or Adrian Peterson wouldn’t have fared much better against that Penn State D. I was merely pointing out that even the greatest have bad games. In Emmitt’s last college game, he rushed for 17 yards. Was merely saying even the greats have a bad game once in a while.

I‘m not suggesting he’s great. I don’t know if he is. None of us do. I was responding to your OP about Jeanty being a JAG based on one game.
 
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