At some point, Dak has to take a look in the mirror!

[SteveTheCowboy]

St Pete? Oh damn hope you didn't get flooded when those two hurricanes moved the ocean into people's back yards. My company's HQ is in Clearwater.. I think power was out there for 4-5 days and a lot of corporate systems were offline as a result. Apparently the DR sites were ALSO in the path of the hurricanes.. Some place in Carolina.. Go figure..

No power 5 days...one room leaked and carpet replaced. A bit of an ordeal....but consider us lucky! Quite a mess here.

 

[OGSixshooter]

You said exactly nothing in your post. Expected.

Of course. Reading if fundamental to comprehension, but you need humility and an open mind to understand. The hardest thing to open is a closed, dusty, fettered, compromised mind.

 

[FVSTONE]

He has to say to himself, i'm the highest paid player on this team, I'm the leader of this team. I don't need to talk about what needs to get done, or becoming better every week, I need to step up my play. I've been in the league far too long, the Jones family has been great to me and have given me and my family generational wealth. It's time for him to find something deep inside of him and say, I'm going to pay them back for what they've done for me!!!! Please give your thoughts on this!

Stop it, please........................... Prescott is all locked up for years to come and he isn't going to lose any sleep over wins and loses. Actually, the only thing Prescott has to worry about is his sound bites after getting mauled by better NFL teams, he wants to make sure he sounds so sorry for not showing up in another beatdown!

 

[Mikexike]

This is fair.. Dak needs to be willing to take the game by the short hairs and impose his will on it. I have always had a problem with him remaining calm and unbothered on the sidelines when the house is crashing down around him. He has to realize that at some point it's on HIM to be the difference maker. If guys aint blockin he needs to get in their faces and let them know they aint blockin. If receivers are running lazy routes as Troy calls them or misreading the coverages then He needs to get with them on the sidelines in game and figure that out and he needs to be firy, loud and demonstrative about it not cool and calm. Cool and calm doesn't resonate with 90,000 people screaming in the background. He's got to be willing to take off and run over a DB or two to fire the team up. We've barely seen that version of Dak since the injury. It's understandable to an extent but in big games and playoff games quit being careful and get back to being a football player.

Thank you, This is exactly what Dak needs to do and we have yet to see it..... Every time everything comes crashing down, all you see is him on the bench with his ipad.

 

[OGSixshooter]

No. The numbers that matter aren't about quantity, they are about productivity. TD percentage, completion percentage, etc.

I am not crediting Dak as the primary reason the Cowboys win or lose. I'm crediting Dak as the starting QB when they win or lose. That's because the primary function of a quarterback is to direct the offense in a way that they are efficient enough to win the game.

There are great passers and there are great quarteracks, they aren't necessarily the same. You don't have to be a great passer to find ways to get the ball into the hands of your playmakers, that's what great quarterbacks do.

I'm not saying Dak has been a great quarterback on a consistent basis but he far from being a poor quarterback on a consistent basis.

Again, Dak is not the issue. Hopefully we can agree that if the Cowboys had acquired a quality RB or if the defense was playing up to their potential, then this conversation would not be happening.

The Cowboys just made the guy you quite rightly describe as "far from being a poor quarterback on a consistent basis" THE HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY. This is something a foreign language book would use to explain the phrase "damning with faint praise".

You can't analyze Dak in your comfy vacuums.

- "Issue" is based on salary too, the options we have to surround him with complimentary and better players.
- He has CONSISTENTLY played poorly in the playoffs - worst losing percentage of any QB in NFL history at 2-5 - and has CONSISTENTLY CHOKED against the better teams

Actually, let's stop right there. It's not that we lose. Joe Burrow's team has a poor record, but everyone can see - 14TDS, 2 INTs, laser accuracy, high scoring offense with poor line that never protects him - Joe Burrow is NOT THE ISSUE. LOL, Dak has had RBs, good lines, 2 #1WRs in CD and Amari, good tight ends....AND HE CHOKES. Not that he balls out and we lose...HE CHOKES.

Can we can agree that if we acquired a quality RB - and I think I mentioned that on my very first posts on this board...that's how long I've been on the Henry train - Dak would still choke? If not, we are on the same page.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Sorry but this simply is not true. The Cowboys have had the #1 scoring OFFENSE over the last 3 seasons.. but not defense. The defense has been good in scoring category.. ranking in the top 10. But not #1. They were however #1 in turnovers overall the last three seasons under Dan Quinn. Dak has been a very good QB most of his career in Dallas. He has occasionally been great even phenomenal. And yes sometimes he has been bad.. But his great games outnumber his bad games by a pretty good margin. Newsflash, the Cowboys don't always win when he plays well and they don't always lose when he plays bad. His play obviously plays a huge factor in wins and losses, but simply put.. He aint playin by himself out there. We all want him to crush it every game.. Well most of us who are actual Cowboys fans do anyway. I know there is an element out there praying he falls flat on his face for reasons only they can explain. I root for Dak to succeed partly because of how much it infuriates that bunch! Almost as much as I just love seeing my team win! Okay maybe not quite that much.. but you get the point.

Thanks for the correction. Ok, so we lead the league in turnovers...which is IMO better because now we see what Dak actually did when the got more shots than the opposition at scoring. We not only took the ball away, we shut teams down. We were blowing teams out at home. That means the D was stopping the other team.

You guys treat Dak like he's Joe Burrow.

And no...he's not been "great". You confuse "great" with winning. He beats up on the heretofore weak NFC East. So what? What happens when we face the better teams? What happens in January consistently? I mean every year we hear, "The Cowboys (really Dak) can't beat the better teams...". Somehow, that's everyone else but the guy you wanted to make $60mm/year?

The excuses and apologizing come across as hero worship. You want him to make as much as possible with the least amount of accountability as possible.

Just so you know: I was a HUGE supporter of Dak early on...to get rid of the Choker Romo. But Dak's iron will has become stubborn pride. And he thinks he's better than what he is and talks team but lives self. Talk is cheap...money is not. Mahomes did it. Brady did it. Dak isn't even in their school much less class. So no...he doesn't deserve the top job in all of sports.

 

[Bullflop]

You talk like there is no salary cap. Jerry didn't "withold" anything. The rollover this year is earmarked to retain guys you want next season like Micah Parsons, and DaRon Bland. In a league with a salary cap, your narrative of withholding money is a myth, and it makes you sound foolish.

The Cowboys had $23 million under the salary cap when they said they "couldn't afford" Derrick Henry. He likely would have signed with Dallas for far less than what he did with the Ravens. They will get many more millions next year to boost their cap savings with the allotment they get from the NFL.

I'm no expert on their budget, but I think they'll have enough next year to sign those who will need signing. If you actually believe this FO isn't cheap, you're well into the minority of those who feel that way. There are far more who agree with me than you want to admit.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Thank you, This is exactly what Dak needs to do and we have yet to see it..... Every time everything comes crashing down, all you see is him on the bench with his ipad.

 

[Wangchung83]

This is self fulfilling prophecy since any time the team wins the other team is immediately reclassified as a "bad team." Sometimes even within the same season. Dak and the Cowboys beat the Eagles in 2022. The same Eagles team that went to the Super Bowl that year.. But when the Cowboys beat them they were apparently a "bad team" for a week. Then they went back to being a good team from that point on.. all the way to the Super Bowl. The Cowboys beat the Giants, who were a playoff team and won a playoff game that year, not once but TWICE. The Cowboys just beat the Steelers two weeks ago IN THEIR HOUSE! That "bad" Steeler team is tied for their division lead with the Ravens at 5-2 if I'm not mistaken. But since the Cowboys beat them, they are a bad team. Does that about cover it?

I was hoping you’d do something like this. They beat the eagles in 2022? No they didn’t, the list one when dam was out and won one where Jalen was out. They split and Dak doesn’t change that outcome in 2022. He barely beat minchew in the game they did win. You need to make arguments that actually hold merit and not taken out of context.

Also Rush beat the giants in 2022, not sure of what year you’re referring to of them being a playoff team. Guess it’s the same as calling TB a playoff team when Dan beat them. They were luck to be in the division they were in with it sucking worse than the nfc least that year. TB was a shell of themselves from the year before.

 

[Mikexike]

We are in for a long night when you see this from Dak.

 

[big dog cowboy]

"it's a QB driven league."

It is. If you don't have a good one, you won't consistently win. Go ask Brown fans.

 

[Mikexike]

It is. If you don't have a good one, you won't consistently win. Go ask Brown fans.

Yup, Any NFL team lives and die by QB play.

 

[JoeKing]

The Cowboys had $23 million under the salary cap when they said they "couldn't afford" Derrick Henry. He likely would have signed with Dallas for far less than what he did with the Ravens. They will get many more millions next year to boost their cap savings with the allotment they get from the NFL.

I'm no expert on their budget, but I think they'll have enough next year to sign those who will need signing. If you actually believe this FO isn't cheap, you're well into the minority of those who feel that way. There are far more who agree with me than you want to admit.

As I already pointed out, that money was already earmarked to get other players paid next season that you want the Cowboys to retain. But I do agree with you on one thing you said, you're no expert on their budget so stop talking like you are.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

He has to say to himself, i'm the highest paid player on this team, I'm the leader of this team. I don't need to talk about what needs to get done, or becoming better every week, I need to step up my play. I've been in the league far too long, the Jones family has been great to me and have given me and my family generational wealth. It's time for him to find something deep inside of him and say, I'm going to pay them back for what they've done for me!!!! Please give your thoughts on this!

Cowboys philosophy - Dak needs to do everything and make a bunch of garbage players better.

KC, Buffalo, Jets- Gets more weapons to make life easier for their QB

 

[Bullflop]

As I already pointed out, that money was already earmarked to get other players paid next season that you want the Cowboys to retain. But I do agree with you on one thing you said, you're no expert on their budget so stop talking like you are.

Go flip yourself. If you were nearly as smart as you pretend to be you'd be far more sensible than you think you are now. The allotment that we'll get to supplement the cap next year will allow far more success than your ideas do currently. I doubt your ideas of the Cowboys budget will be nearly as limited as you'd like to think. If you'd like to continue with the insults, I'll make sure to do the same.

 

[RonnieT24]

Thanks for the correction. Ok, so we lead the league in turnovers...which is IMO better because now we see what Dak actually did when the got more shots than the opposition at scoring. We not only took the ball away, we shut teams down. We were blowing teams out at home. That means the D was stopping the other team.

You guys treat Dak like he's Joe Burrow.

And no...he's not been "great". You confuse "great" with winning. He beats up on the heretofore weak NFC East. So what? What happens when we face the better teams? What happens in January consistently? I mean every year we hear, "The Cowboys (really Dak) can't beat the better teams...". Somehow, that's everyone else but the guy you wanted to make $60mm/year?

The excuses and apologizing come across as hero worship. You want him to make as much as possible with the least amount of accountability as possible.

Just so you know: I was a HUGE supporter of Dak early on...to get rid of the Choker Romo. But Dak's iron will has become stubborn pride. And he thinks he's better than what he is and talks team but lives self. Talk is cheap...money is not. Mahomes did it. Brady did it. Dak isn't even in their school much less class. So no...he doesn't deserve the top job in all of sports.

The defense took the ball away a lot but they hardly ever really shut teams down. Living and dying by turnovers is kind of like an NBA team that lives and dies by the three pointer. When you have an off night shooting you get your butt whupped. Same with the Cowboys defense. When they have not been forcing turnovers our defense has been pretty easy to move the ball on even under Quinn.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Thanks for the correction. Ok, so we lead the league in turnovers...which is IMO better because now we see what Dak actually did when the got more shots than the opposition at scoring. We not only took the ball away, we shut teams down. We were blowing teams out at home. That means the D was stopping the other team.

You guys treat Dak like he's Joe Burrow.

And no...he's not been "great". You confuse "great" with winning. He beats up on the heretofore weak NFC East. So what? What happens when we face the better teams? What happens in January consistently? I mean every year we hear, "The Cowboys (really Dak) can't beat the better teams...". Somehow, that's everyone else but the guy you wanted to make $60mm/year?

The excuses and apologizing come across as hero worship. You want him to make as much as possible with the least amount of accountability as possible.

Just so you know: I was a HUGE supporter of Dak early on...to get rid of the Choker Romo. But Dak's iron will has become stubborn pride. And he thinks he's better than what he is and talks team but lives self. Talk is cheap...money is not. Mahomes did it. Brady did it. Dak isn't even in their school much less class. So no...he doesn't deserve the top job in all of sports.

Please post your stats that show romo was a choker. We also might have to hard=define "choker".

 

[Coogiguy03]

Cowboys philosophy - Dak needs to do everything and make a bunch of garbage players better.

KC, Buffalo, Jets- Gets more weapons to make life easier for their QB

Seems easy we make everything hard

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is fair.. Dak needs to be willing to take the game by the short hairs and impose his will on it. I have always had a problem with him remaining calm and unbothered on the sidelines when the house is crashing down around him. He has to realize that at some point it's on HIM to be the difference maker. If guys aint blockin he needs to get in their faces and let them know they aint blockin. If receivers are running lazy routes as Troy calls them or misreading the coverages then He needs to get with them on the sidelines in game and figure that out and he needs to be firy, loud and demonstrative about it not cool and calm. Cool and calm doesn't resonate with 90,000 people screaming in the background. He's got to be willing to take off and run over a DB or two to fire the team up.

That player doesn't exist.

Just another reason NOT to pay him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The Cowboys had $23 million under the salary cap when they said they "couldn't afford" Derrick Henry.

Having $23M in salary cap today doesn't mean they have $23M to spend. There are future deals that need done.