Attention all those that hate our draft!

[MichaelWinicki]

Michael Johnson, DE, GA-Tech
Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond
Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St
Herman Johnson, OG, LSU
Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson
Jason McCourty, CB, Rutgers
Zach Potter, DE, Nebraska
Mike Mikens, CB, Cincinnati
Zack Follet, ILB, California.

Plus a 2nd and 3rd round picks for the 2010 draft.

I think you're combing some pie-in-the-sky logic with the trades for 2010 choices along with guys that have huge bust quotients in Michael Johnson and Duke Robinson.

I think Sidbury will end up teasing with his athletic ability but it won't translate onto the field-- Looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane.

Didn't Bomar have off-the-field issues?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't hate our draft. I didn't fall in love with it but I'm actually pretty happy with about 3 of our picks so that is good for me. I like the Williams pick, a lot more than I did at first, and I'm quite pleased with the Hamlin pick, especially where we got him, and Johnson in the 7th.

It's obvious they were picking to strengthen our special teams, which is some what odd I know given that no one usually drafts specifically for that, and obviously because they believe these guys will develope into guys that you would be comfortable with going forward with, as starters, when some of our guys ahead of them become Free Agents and wants tons of money that aren't really deserved, like Chris Canty. I love the guy but not at 42 million.

*Shrugs* We'll see how it goes. I think we wound up with a litlte more than I thought we would initially.

 

[AsthmaField]

Which is why I said " my personal opinion ".

Right. But we as fans, just don't have the information that our scouts and front office do. That's why I brought up how I was surprised when we picked Darren Woodson way back when. I hadn't really heard of him.

I knew little about Scandrick last year and very little about Bennett last year. I knew Tashard Choice, but mainly because he was a skill position player.

All the players you named were much more well known to me too, however that doesn't mean that the players our scouts picked weren't considered better players. I just don't know.

Our scouts have been doing such a good job lately that I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

The decisions made over the weekend are designed to save Jerry $$ over the next few years.

That's not a criticism, that's just stating the facts. I hope these guys turn out to be good football players.

Next year is uncapped. Jerry is fine regarding money.

Didn't Bomar have off-the-field issues?

He got booster support by getting paid for a job he didnt work at.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

3rd round:

#5: Michael Johnson, DE, GA-Tech
#11: traded it for a 2nd rnd pick in 2010 ( see Patriots )

4th rnd:

#101: traded it for a 3rd rnd pick in 2010
#110: Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond
#120: Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma

5th rnd:

#143: Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St
#166: Herman Johnson, OG, LSU
#172: Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson

6th rnd:

#197: Jason McCourty, CB, Rutgers
#208: Zach Potter, DE, Nebraska

7th rnd:

#227: Mike Mikens, CB, Cincinnati
#229: Zack Follet, ILB, California.

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Michael Johnson, DE, GA-Tech
Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond
Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St
Herman Johnson, OG, LSU
Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson
Jason McCourty, CB, Rutgers
Zach Potter, DE, Nebraska
Mike Mikens, CB, Cincinnati
Zack Follet, ILB, California.

Plus a 2nd and 3rd round picks for the 2010 draft.

I like this a lot with the exception of Michael Johnson. That dude just has complete bust written all over him, for me, and I'd rather have the Williams kid that we got there instead of him. The rest I wouldn't have been upset about though.

 

[chinch]

it would be a total waste of time (like anything jerry does nowadays) like charting the events up to spilt milk

jerry's bad moves can't undone.

not those from years past nor those of yesterday.

sad huh.

Instead of moving from thread to thread and telling us how the team screwed up, made dumb picks, didnt do this, Jones is an idiot, it was like 1995, team got worse etc etc.

Kindly take some time and tell us what YOU would have done differently. Please spare us the vague "there were better people available" and the "I would have moved up"...Explain it. Tell us who'd you have picked instead of the guys we did, or if you were going to move up tell us for who, with who and what we'd have given up to accomplish that.

This should be interesting.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think you're combing some pie-in-the-sky logic with the trades for 2010 choices along with guys that have huge bust quotients in Michael Johnson and Duke Robinson.

I think Sidbury will end up teasing with his athletic ability but it won't translate onto the field-- Looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane.

I agree... I see many people wishing for Johnson, but he's the classic combine warrior who underachieved in college. And Sidbury is a little bit the same way in that people see the size and 40 time and assume he'll be great.

I thought these were the type players so many of us didn't want anymore? What about production on the field over physical specimens that don't actually play as well?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I am more worried after seeing their body language at the presser that Jerry/Stephen are more concerned about spinning this draft. I am concerned that they think our receiving corp is adequate when all of our competition publicly calls them pedestrian/average.
I hope Joe D is a special man as it is clear he has the respect of Jerry and the boys.
I would of looked into a receiver more in the fourth round and I pray I am so wrong but this smells a lot like the bull we were shoveled on the backup QB situation last year. I am also happy for McGee as this says that they are being adult with Tony and that his lapse's need to be addressed and a long term plan put in place.
I like the kid from Tech, had not really heard about him but it is clear the way Wade talks about him that he is excited.
No way to rate this draft today except well see.

You think our WR corps is pedestrian because of HOW we have gone about winning football games here lately. Would you say Pitts WR corps is better? Would you say the guys the Eagles trotted out last year are better? Would you say the Ravens WR corps is better? Or how bout the 1-15 Dolphins that went 11-5 last year? I could go on and on...where would you rank the the Bengals WR corps? Probably near the top. Or how about the 9-7 Cowboys last year? Probably near the top?

My point is...perhaps this organization is begining to realize that this is NOT Hollywood and the Cowboys are NOT a reality show. We need to get BACK to playing football. Notice how Tank Johnson JUST found a home. How Pac Man has NOT found a home. How TO had to go to Buffalo to find a home. I guess we were NOT the only team that decided that these guys are not needed to win games.

We need to get back to playing sound defense. Being a physical running team. And making field poistion a priority on special teams. This is HOW you win in December in the playoffs. There is nothing new come December. Everyone has film on everyone. Legs are tired. Bodies are banged up. The toughest teams. The most disciplined teams. The teams that make the other teams fight for every yard by not giving a way field position with TERRIBLE special teams play. That is what seperates the good teams from the teams that are playing in the confererence championship games and Super Bowl. You cannot go into games in December with plans to throw the ball 40 times. But you do that when you have to keep a TO happy. Would TO be with you in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl like Larry Fitzgerald was...after being ignored for the 1st 3 quarters? There is NO way TO would show the poise and professionalism Fitzgerald showed in the Super Bowl. You cannot win with him...and cleary many other teams felt the same way.

 

[Randy White]

I think you're combing some pie-in-the-sky logic with the trades for 2010 choices

The Patriots traded the 89th pick of the draft ( 25th in the 3rd round ) for a 2nd round pick in 2010.

You're saying trading the 11th pick in that same 3rd round for that same value is a " pie in the sky " logic ?

along with guys that have huge bust quotients in Michael Johnson and Duke Robinson.

True enough. They also have tons of potential. So, in essence is a gamble, which is, basically, what the draft is.

I think Sidbury will end up teasing with his athletic ability but it won't translate onto the field-- Looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane.

That's not my opinion, but it could happen... or not.

Didn't Bomar have off-the-field issues?

Yea, he took money to play fooball.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Patriots traded the 89th pick of the draft ( 25th in the 3rd round ) for a 2nd round pick in 2010.

You're saying trading the 11th pick in that same 3rd round for that same value is a " pie in the sky " logic ?

I say it because you need two teams to make a trade. Just because the Pats found a willing partner doesn't mean the Cowboys could have-- or maybe they did and there wasn't anyone.

 

[Typhus]

You think our WR corps is pedestrian because of HOW we have gone about winning football games here lately. Would you say Pitts WR corps is better? Would you say the guys the Eagles trotted out last year are better? Would you say the Ravens WR corps is better? Or how bout the 1-15 Dolphins that went 11-5 last year? I could go on and on...where would you rank the the Bengals WR corps? Probably near the top. Or how about the 9-7 Cowboys last year? Probably near the top?

My point is...perhaps this organization is begining to realize that this is NOT Hollywood and the Cowboys are NOT a reality show. We need to get BACK to playing football. Notice how Tank Johnson JUST found a home. How Pac Man has NOT found a home. How TO had to go to Buffalo to find a home. I guess we were NOT the only team that decided that these guys are not needed to win games.

We need to get back to playing sound defense. Being a physical running team. And making field poistion a priority on special teams. This is HOW you win in December in the playoffs. There is nothing new come December. Everyone has film on everyone. Legs are tired. Bodies are banged up. The toughest teams. The most disciplined teams. The teams that make the other teams fight for every yard by not giving a way field position with TERRIBLE special teams play. That is what seperates the good teams from the teams that are playing in the confererence championship games and Super Bowl. You cannot go into games in December with plans to throw the ball 40 times. But you do that when you have to keep a TO happy. Would TO be with you in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl like Larry Fitzgerald was...after being ignored for the 1st 3 quarters? There is NO way TO would show the poise and professionalism Fitzgerald showed in the Super Bowl. You cannot win with him...and cleary many other teams felt the same way.

Excellent post!

 

[Randy White]

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Our scouts have been doing such a good job lately that I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

And that's why I'm not criticizing the draft. Yet. I'm posting what " I " would have done.

I'm perfectly willing to give the scouts the benefit of the doubt, even though there's no excuse for the Cowboys NOT to come away with at least 2 extra picks for the 2010 draft.

 

[dogunwo]

First I wouldn't have given up a 1st, 3rd and 6th round picks for Roy Williams. Not saying I don't like Roy, but that was too much to give up.

Secondly, I would've kept our 2nd round pick and taken OT William Beatty or Vollmer. They should be better than Brewster and I'd easily take one of them over him.

But to keep things from getting too complicated, I'll post who I would've taken or chosen from with the exact picks that we ended up using.

3 (5) DE Michael Johnson or OT A. Caldwell
3 (11) WR Brandon Tate
4 (1) QB Stephen McGee
4 (10) S Chip Vaughn or DB D.J. Moore
4 (20) LB Sidbury or OT Kropog
5 (7) LB Marcus Freeman or OT Fenuki Topou
5 (30) S Michael Hamlin or OG Herman Johnson
5 (36) CB Coy Francies
6 (24) LB Stephen Hodge
6 (35) TE John Phillips
7 (18) CB Mike Micken
7 (20) DE Ricky Jean-Fracois or LB Zack Follet


* Bold are players we took

Thats not a bad draft there Bach

 

[Randy White]

I say it because you need two teams to make a trade. Just because the Pats found a willing partner doesn't mean the Cowboys could have-- or maybe they did and there wasn't anyone.

That doesn't make sense. There are more choices available with the 11th pick than there is with the 25th pick of the same round . The odds are that the Patriots weren't the only team Tennessee called to trade up.

Had the Cowboys chosen to, they could have gotten a 2nd round pick in 2010 for that choice.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That doesn't make sense. There are more choices available with the 11th pick than there is with the 25th pick of the same round . The odds are that the Patriots weren't the only team Tennessee called to trade up.

Had the Cowboys chosen to, they could have gotten a 2nd round pick in 2010 for that choice.

Without being there in person neither you nor I know the truth.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I liked BBailey's post a lot.

I have a feeling that WRs price tag will move down over the course of this next CBA.

The RB price has gone down already.

 

[vicjagger]

I have one opinion and one observation, but I'm very hopeful that some of these players will prove to be good additions.

Opinion: The worst pick was Roy Williams for a 1st, 3rd and 6th. That is too much for an average WR. I think in time this will prove to be a major blunder. Hope I'm wrong!

Observation(s): I have spent considerable time since the draft reviewing 1) numerous draft sites to see where some of our picks were rated at their respective positions; 2) Cowboy forums to gauge fan reactions and; 3) sports media outlets for their "grades".

From the draft sites, it seems that there were often higher rated picks than the player the Cowboys selected (we reached too many times). Mike Mickens seems to be the only consistent exception. I did not prepare for the draft as much as I normally would and therefore admit that I can't claim that I wish we'd have picked any particular player over the guy we did chose, which isn't what the OP wanted to hear.

The media site reviews are generally not positive, with several D+ ratings, and the forum fans seem very split, not much in the middle of the road. Of course some homers LOVE every draft.

I just hope it turns out better than the inital reviews.....

 

[AmishCowboy]

I just wished that if true the Cowboys coveted Max Unger, we would have move up a few spots and got, but overall, no real compliants.

 

[hendog]

Excellent post!

I agree. Great post.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

That doesn't make sense. There are more choices available with the 11th pick than there is with the 25th pick of the same round . The odds are that the Patriots weren't the only team Tennessee called to trade up.

Had the Cowboys chosen to, they could have gotten a 2nd round pick in 2010 for that choice.

You have to treat each pick differently.

You have to look at what happened through the draft. Tennessee may have not been interested in moving up to the Cowboys position when Dallas was on the clock. After Dallas' pick, there was a run on receivers, most notably, the two tall receivers, Barden and Turner. Perhaps Tennessee was looking at them and when they were drafted, they felt the need to move up for another big target in Cook. They might have been patiently waiting for one to drop into a better position for them and when it didn't happen, they felt they had to make the move.

Just because they gave up a 2nd next year to move into the 3rd doesn't mean they were willing to do that when Dallas was on the clock.