Attention all those that hate our draft!

[DFWJC]

First I wouldn't have given up a 1st, 3rd and 6th round picks for Roy Williams. Not saying I don't like Roy, but that was too much to give up.

Secondly, I would've kept our 2nd round pick and taken OT William Beatty or Vollmer. They should be better than Brewster and I'd easily take one of them over him.

But to keep things from getting too complicated, I'll post who I would've taken or chosen from with the exact picks that we ended up using.

3 (5) DE Michael Johnson or OT A. Caldwell
3 (11) WR Brandon Tate
4 (1) QB Stephen McGee
4 (10) S Chip Vaughn or DB D.J. Moore
4 (20) LB Sidbury or OT Kropog
5 (7) LB Marcus Freeman or OT Fenuki Topou
5 (30) S Michael Hamlin or OG Herman Johnson
5 (36) CB Coy Francies
6 (24) LB Stephen Hodge
6 (35) TE John Phillips
7 (18) CB Mike Micken
7 (20) DE Ricky Jean-Fracois or LB Zack Follet


* Bold are players we took

Nice job and i agree. I would fell more comfortable with this, but it's not to say it will end up better.
I also like Randy White's logic as well.

In any case, I'm no hater...and I am to some degree a homer, so I'll hope we got it right. For now, I'm wary but hopeful.

 

[jobberone]

I would not have drafted Michael Johnson period. If they wanted Williams and Brewster then they did the right thing although they gave up too much to trade down IMO.

They may not have found a trade partner for 2010. I'm as certain as is possible for a fan to be, we would have traded some picks up or for 2010 if they could have found a partner in time. This was a weak draft and many teams wanted to trade down and/or out into 2010 if possible. There's too much confusion (forgive me Jimi) in our draft room at times or so it appears.

There is never a problem drafting LBs in a 3-4 or ever for CBs.

Most fans have no idea about the play of non-skill position players. Nor do we really know the bottom of the draft as in the players out of the top 100 probably top two rounds.

I am surprised we couldn't package some picks to move up at least once and in particular a few picks to get Unger. Now Unger may become a bust or avg backup but he could backup at least the interior of the OL. Is he not as good as Proctor even next year's Unger and Proctor? That's my only specific criticism and in general we did not address the LOS which surprises me a little. However, the flip side of that is they picked the BPA at other positions.

I'm pleasantly surprised with the drafting of McGee. It's about time we invested in QBs. Maybe we at least turn that pick into a 2nd rounder in the near future or get a future QB.

The USC kicker surprises me. It's a good gamble. If he can kick accurately and long then we have a new kicker possibly. If he kicks long then we may gain a pick for him greater than expended.

We'll see in three years how well we did.

 

[Typhus]

I have one opinion and one observation, but I'm very hopeful that some of these players will prove to be good additions.

Opinion: The worst pick was Roy Williams for a 1st, 3rd and 6th. That is too much for an average WR. I think in time this will prove to be a major blunder. Hope I'm wrong!

This point will always be argued, but IMO the price you give up in draft picks doesnt equate in just the "face value" you get in the player, in this case RW.

What I mean is you are getting a "developed" wr in exchange. There is also value in not having to tie up roster spots in trying to develop guys when those spots can be better used.
When your able to draft guys like Rat(7) Scandrick(5) Choice(4) MB3(4) Witten(3) etc.... the pics you give up in a trade like this one, seems to balance the books a bit.

 

[JD_KaPow]

That doesn't make sense. There are more choices available with the 11th pick than there is with the 25th pick of the same round . The odds are that the Patriots weren't the only team Tennessee called to trade up.

Had the Cowboys chosen to, they could have gotten a 2nd round pick in 2010 for that choice.

Yes, there are more choices available with the 11th pick, which may be why no team felt compelled to move up to that pick - they still saw 2 or 3 guys they were interested in. It's only when you get down to the last guy you want that you feel like you have to make the move. It's entirely possible that nobody felt that desperate when the 'boys were picking.

 

[Hoofbite]

I definitely wouldn't have taken it in the cheeks in a "move down at all costs" panic.

 

[jterrell]

We drafted special teams players so our team better be dang good on special teams next year if you're willing to dedicate a draft towards it.

We made 12 picks. How many pure just special teamers?

Almost all rookies not drafted round1 have to play special teams as a rookie.
That is just the way the game works but which picks did we draft who we expect to do nothing else?

 

[jobberone]

This point will always be argued, but IMO the price you give up in draft picks doesnt equate in just the "face value" you get in the player, in this case RW.

What I mean is you are getting a "developed" wr in exchange. There is also value in not having to tie up roster spots in trying to develop guys when those spots can be better used.
When your able to draft guys like Rat(7) Scandrick(5) Choice(4) MB3(4) Witten(3) etc.... the pics you give up in a trade like this one, seems to balance the books a bit.

Valid points. Still think we lost some value trading down though. You can't absolutely value that until you see how the players you moved down to draft do over the next few years.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Instead of moving from thread to thread and telling us how the team screwed up, made dumb picks, didnt do this, Jones is an idiot, it was like 1995, team got worse etc etc.

Kindly take some time and tell us what YOU would have done differently. Please spare us the vague "there were better people available" and the "I would have moved up"...Explain it. Tell us who'd you have picked instead of the guys we did, or if you were going to move up tell us for who, with who and what we'd have given up to accomplish that.

This should be interesting.

You tell 'em!

You brings up good points as always, mr. badhair. Iffin they can't state EXACTLY why they don't like them drafts and can't say EXACTLY who else was better, then I say: GIT!

I tell you whut: this was a darn good draft. We absolutely NEEDED a qb in the fourth round because Romo and Kitna won't make the team. they is old and too costly. With McGee, who himself believes he was a first-rounder or second-rounder, he will make mincemeat of the NFL defenders. If Mike Sherman says so, I believe him. Gig 'em Aggies!

Also, I think we done fooled ever one by not picking a saftey in the ahem, "early" rounds because we wanted no one to know how badly we needed a SAFETY.

And all them picks for linebacker? Well, ah tell you whut: Out of them 20 or so LB picks, I bet at least one will become a good pick!
Yes, that's whut ah said: a good pick.

Dont lisen to the naysayers, dbair, listen only to what jerra says we need.
He made the picks (oh, I forgot, STEPHEN made the picks) and you cant go wrong with the two Jones picking and grinnin'!

THAT USMC kicker will pay dividends, I tell you, because he will beat out all other present Cowboys. shame on the veterans!
And that LB/special teams guy from TCU . . . he will be gold, Jerra, gold!

I lift my Old Milwaukee (the recession) to the great draft of 2009. Tears fill ourn eyes because we had the best draft pickers in the league.

And iffin anyone says different . . . I'll fight you! And further, leave this Zone because we want only those who toe the company line! We all praise Jerra we all follow jerra, we all share in the vision that is JerraWorld.

In Jerra I believe and god bless him and his class of 2009 future HOFers.
With this bunch we will win the next Super Bowl for sure!

 

[STSINAZ]

HERE IS THE DEAL...when you draft career backups because you only need backups then what happens when the older guys are done? 5-11 thats what happens...when you draft you are supposed to draft starters...they can sit the bench or play a little until the starter gets too old to play, thats what most teams do...jerry is dumb as usual...this draft has jerrah written all over it! he is becoming al davis slowly but surely, this is what al davis did 15 years ago,,,then he became the al davis we know of today...that reaches 20 spots on receivers when maclin or crabtree are sitting right there! move over jerrah, get a real gm before we become 5-11 again! last year you listened, this year you got enamored with speed....re williams...girth with brewster...you cant see the whole picture , its not your fault!

 

[tunahelper]

I would have traded every pick to the Dolphins for Ricky Williams!

 

[Doomsday101]

HERE IS THE DEAL...when you draft career backups because you only need backups then what happens when the older guys are done? 5-11 thats what happens...when you draft you are supposed to draft starters...they can sit the bench or play a little until the starter gets too old to play, thats what most teams do...jerry is dumb as usual...this draft has jerrah written all over it! he is becoming al davis slowly but surely, this is what al davis did 15 years ago,,,then he became the al davis we know of today...that reaches 20 spots on receivers when maclin or crabtree are sitting right there! move over jerrah, get a real gm before we become 5-11 again! last year you listened, this year you got enamored with speed....re williams...girth with brewster...you cant see the whole picture , its not your fault!

Who says we drafted career backup? at 51 I did not see any sure fire starters out there I saw a lot of players with question marks

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I would have traded every pick to the Dolphins for Ricky Williams!

And The Tuna would have obliged you, I am sure.

 

[jterrell]

HERE IS THE DEAL...when you draft career backups because you only need backups then what happens when the older guys are done? 5-11 thats what happens...when you draft you are supposed to draft starters...they can sit the bench or play a little until the starter gets too old to play, thats what most teams do...jerry is dumb as usual...this draft has jerrah written all over it! he is becoming al davis slowly but surely, this is what al davis did 15 years ago,,,then he became the al davis we know of today...that reaches 20 spots on receivers when maclin or crabtree are sitting right there! move over jerrah, get a real gm before we become 5-11 again! last year you listened, this year you got enamored with speed....re williams...girth with brewster...you cant see the whole picture , its not your fault!

ROFL!

Talk about the chicken validating the egg... this is exactly what dbair was talking about.

Dude, you have zero knowledge that says Williams can not be a starter in this league. He has starter potential quite clearly. Brewster is a big OL from a small school. So was Larry Allen and tons of other OL who nobody knew draft day that worked out. Could he suck? Yes. Do you have nay clue? Heck no. Anyone claiming to be an OL guru is a complete and total ******.

McGee has the most potential of ALL the Qbs drafted after round 1. He was the most coveted coming out of high school has the best arm and the best size/speed ratio.

Every team in the NFL drafts back ups. That's the way that it works. Exactly which "starters" did the Pats draft? Darren Woodson was a backup at one point. So was Larry Allen. They still made the Ring of Honor.

Until these guys prove they are not ever starters this is just chicken little crying.

 

[Doomsday101]

And The Tuna would have obliged you, I am sure.

Well Tuna took Pat White with a 2nd rd pick I think most would have had a major meltdown had Jerry taken Pat White as most threaten to do last week. Did BP reach on Pat White?

 

[thechosen1n2]

Good luck with this thread David. The haters usually don't know why they hate ... they just do.

 

[Bach]

Every team in the NFL drafts back ups. That's the way that it works. Exactly which "starters" did the Pats draft? Darren Woodson was a backup at one point. So was Larry Allen. They still made the Ring of Honor.

Most teams don't go into drafts looking for special teamers and backups. They look for the best players we can find.

Woodson and Allen were 2nd rounders who were taken when the should've been taken and weren't drafted based on their special teams play. I don't see what point you were trying to make there.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Don't hate the player...hate the threads? :

 

[Typhus]

ROFL!

Talk about the chicken validating the egg... this is exactly what dbair was talking about.

Dude, you have zero knowledge that says Williams can not be a starter in this league. He has starter potential quite clearly. Brewster is a big OL from a small school. So was Larry Allen and tons of other OL who nobody knew draft day that worked out. Could he suck? Yes. Do you have nay clue? Heck no. Anyone claiming to be an OL guru is a complete and total ******.

McGee has the most potential of ALL the Qbs drafted after round 1. He was the most coveted coming out of high school has the best arm and the best size/speed ratio.

Every team in the NFL drafts back ups. That's the way that it works. Exactly which "starters" did the Pats draft? Darren Woodson was a backup at one point. So was Larry Allen. They still made the Ring of Honor.

Until these guys prove they are not ever starters this is just chicken little crying.

Exactly, I guess not having 4 first rounders to plug into starting roles was not a glaring fact.

 

[Doomsday101]

Most teams don't go into drafts looking for special teamers and backups. They look for the best players we can find.

Woodson and Allen were 2nd rounders who were taken when the should've been taken and weren't drafted based on their special teams play. I don't see what point you were trying to make there.

And neither did we, because you say they are backups and nothing more? Chances are you will not have any 3rd picks playing right away I doubt many teams 3rd rd pick will be starting. ST is a place where some of these draft picks will have to earn a spot as they develop but then that is the same for most team out there once you get past the 1st and 2nd rd players.

 

[joseephuss]

Don't hate the player...hate the Mods? :

Fixed it for ya.