Attention all those that hate our draft!

[jackrussell]

I know, I was looking for responses from a half dozen or so people in particular, and I'm sure we wont see jack.

Hey...I never said anything bad(mainly cuz I have no clue as to what they did), leave me out of this!

 

[justbob]

Instead of moving from thread to thread and telling us how the team screwed up, made dumb picks, didnt do this, Jones is an idiot, it was like 1995, team got worse etc etc.

Kindly take some time and tell us what YOU would have done differently. Please spare us the vague "there were better people available" and the "I would have moved up"...Explain it. Tell us who'd you have picked instead of the guys we did, or if you were going to move up tell us for who, with who and what we'd have given up to accomplish that.

This should be interesting.

Just though I would quote your orginal one more time --maybe a few more will read it

 

[davey999]

I would have stayed where we were and done this:

2 - Jarron Gilbert DE
3 - Derick Williams WR
4 - Stephen Mcgee QB
4 - Terrence Taylor DT
5 - Duke Robinson G
5 - Joe Burnett CB
5 - Gerald Cadogan T
6 - Stephen Hodge S/LB
7 - Mike Mickens CB
7 - Zach Follett LB

 

[jterrell]

As a do-over I'd have not traded RW11. I think that is a valid criticism at this point because it is a rich bounty for any player.

I also see Randy White's complaints about not adding 2010 picks.

Other than that to me there are zero legit complaints about this draft haul.

There may have been 2 or 3 reaches in 12 total picks. Those were at positions where you had to reach to draft anyone such as OLB. And we currently have 3 real OLBs on the team so it was a glaring need.

 

[Randy White]

Without being there in person neither you nor I know the truth.

That's right. But you can always infer and it's reasonable to infer that if the Patriots were ablet to trade the 25th pick of the 3rd round for a 2nd round in 2010, the Cowboys could have done the same.

 

[Randy White]

Yes, there are more choices available with the 11th pick, which may be why no team felt compelled to move up to that pick - they still saw 2 or 3 guys they were interested in. It's only when you get down to the last guy you want that you feel like you have to make the move. It's entirely possible that nobody felt that desperate when the 'boys were picking.

It's possible, but not probable. Teams who usually trade up late into a round start their calls either earlier on that round or even the round before to gauage interest. Stephen Jones said on Saturday that they started fielding calls for their picks in the 3rd round as soon as the draft was over.

 

[Randy White]

Just because they gave up a 2nd next year to move into the 3rd doesn't mean they were willing to do that when Dallas was on the clock.

I don't agree. Going by experience of watching this drafts for over 20 years, just about on every trade up, the team calling start earlier.

The odds are that Buffalo didn't call Dallas last minute to trade up for the #51st. They probably started calling early in the 2nd round to gauge the Cowboys interest.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I liked the Roy Williams trade, a lot. I liked some of the picks the Cowboys made but thought the draft was not good...

I feel when you have that many second day picks it gives you a chance to hit a homerun or strike out trying....

I felt the Cowboys played too safe when they had an opportunity to take some players with huge upside hoping a few of those players worked out to be starters some day.
the D-ends taken that will convert to linebackers are wasted picks and will not even make the team ( way too slow)...
they took safety and cornerback types that run way to slow to be decent NFL players....

taken a kicker was a waste!
he will take valuable roster spot every week for game day . what position do you go short on to carry 2 kickers and 3 QB's on game day...
I do like that a decent QB was drafted so money can be saved when Kitna is a free agent...
who would I have taken in place of some of these guys ?
guys with huge upside. guys who I could project as starters down the road...
lets face it half of these drafts picks even if full potential is reached will never be more than back ups in this league...
when I have no pick in rounds 1 and 2 and many in the other rounds I take a chance on the homerun....if I only have a few picks in the 2nd day I am careful and go for the single....
also Hobbs was traded to our division for what ? a bag of peanuts , Cowboys should have been all over that!

I do not think Jerry is a dummy , quite the opposite but every one has a bad draft now and again....

some of the draft was pretty good and some was awful...
I give it a" C"

 

[Randy White]

As a do-over I'd have not traded RW11. I think that is a valid criticism at this point because it is a rich bounty for any player. .

Oh, I disagree with this.

No way Jeremy Maclin is better than RW11, provided we had prevented the Beagirls from moving up just ahead of us to take him. And losing that 3rd round draft pick didn't prevent the Cowboys from getting who they wanted to get anyways, obviously.

If anything, the trade prevented Jerrah from overpaying. Who knows what Jerrah would have paid to move up to get Crabtree.

Not to mention that we would have to start to look for a T.O. replacement in 2010 ( 2 full years later ) because without RW11, no way Jerrah is getting rid of T.O. and this draft didn't look strong enough at the receiver position to find that replacement.

 

[Bach]

And neither did we, because you say they are backups and nothing more? Chances are you will not have any 3rd picks playing right away I doubt many teams 3rd rd pick will be starting. ST is a place where some of these draft picks will have to earn a spot as they develop but then that is the same for most team out there once you get past the 1st and 2nd rd players.

And why didn't we have any 1st or 2nd round players???

Also, once we did get to the third and fourth rounds, you don't then go and draft 4th and 5th round talent.

Of course I know this doesn't mean anything to some on here. I mean, we could've drafted 12 guys rated as 7th rounders and we'd have people justifying it and making excuses.

 

[hendog]

I liked the Roy Williams trade, a lot. I liked some of the picks the Cowboys made but thought the draft was not good...

I feel when you have that many second day picks it gives you a chance to hit a homerun or strike out trying....

I felt the Cowboys played too safe when they had an opportunity to take some players with huge upside hoping a few of those players worked out to be starters some day.
the D-ends taken that will convert to linebackers are wasted picks and will not even make the team ( way too slow)...
they took safety and cornerback types that run way to slow to be decent NFL players....

taken a kicker was a waste!
he will take valuable roster spot every week for game day . what position do you go short on to carry 2 kickers and 3 QB's on game day...
I do like that a decent QB was drafted so money can be saved when Kitna is a free agent...
who would I have taken in place of some of these guys ?
guys with huge upside. guys who I could project as starters down the road...
lets face it half of these drafts picks even if full potential is reached will never be more than back ups in this league...
when I have no pick in rounds 1 and 2 and many in the other rounds I take a chance on the homerun....if I only have a few picks in the 2nd day I am careful and go for the single....
also Hobbs was traded to our division for what ? a bag of peanuts , Cowboys should have been all over that!

I do not think Jerry is a dummy , quite the opposite but every one has a bad draft now and again....

some of the draft was pretty good and some was awful...
I give it a" C"

It's rediculous for you to think that you know more than Wade when it comes to the 2 DE's converting to OLB's rushing the passer. Say what you will about Wade but he knows pressure players and sacking the QB.

 

[hendog]

And why didn't we have any 1st or 2nd round players???

Also, once we did get to the third and fourth rounds, you don't then go and draft 4th and 5th round talent.

Of course I know this doesn't mean anything to some on here. I mean, we could've drafted 12 guys rated as 7th rounders and we'd have people justifying it and making excuses.

The point is no one knows how these guys will pan out. Just because where someone had them rated or when they were drafted means nothing and you know that. Did you really jump up and down and start screaming future pro bowler - future pro bowler when we drafted Jay Ratliff?

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, I disagree with this.

No way Jeremy Maclin is better than RW11, provided we had prevented the Beagirls from moving up just ahead of us to take him. And losing that 3rd round draft pick didn't prevent the Cowboys from getting who they wanted to get anyways, obviously.

If anything, the trade prevented Jerrah from overpaying. Who knows what Jerrah would have paid to move up to get Crabtree.

Not to mention that we would have to start to look for a T.O. replacement in 2010 ( 2 full years later ) because without RW11, no way Jerrah is getting rid of T.O. and this draft didn't look strong enough at the receiver position to find that replacement.

I'm interested to see how Maclin does. At Mizz he ran a lot of bubble screens but what would worry me his production vs top teams was not all that great unlike Crabtree and another Big 12 WR Dez Bryant

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Well Tuna took Pat White with a 2nd rd pick I think most would have had a major meltdown had Jerry taken Pat White as most threaten to do last week. Did BP reach on Pat White?

Oddly enough, as a Cowboys fan, I was not interested in what BP did in the draft. I was too horrified, as the draft rolled on, that we were picking largely camp fodder, though I am sure Jerra senses future HOFers.


But you go ahead and have fun with his selections.

 

[Doomsday101]

And why didn't we have any 1st or 2nd round players???

Also, once we did get to the third and fourth rounds, you don't then go and draft 4th and 5th round talent.

Of course I know this doesn't mean anything to some on here. I mean, we could've drafted 12 guys rated as 7th rounders and we'd have people justifying it and making excuses.

We did not have a 1st because of RW who I think will workout very well for Dallas as for not having a 2nd in large part because many of those projected at 51 had already been taken. Hell BP took Pat White in the 2nd that is how fricken weak this draft was there was not players that had starter writen all over him late in the 2nd rd. Hell you want to complain fine you seem to do that all the time anyway so why would this day be any different. You seem to think there was great talent out there I disagree I don't think there was much.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

It's rediculous for you to think that you know more than Wade when it comes to the 2 DE's converting to OLB's rushing the passer. Say what you will about Wade but he knows pressure players and sacking the QB.

hows Erik Walden doing these days?

Anthony Spencer should be a star by now!

I think Wade is plenty smart but he is not perfect , is he?

 

[Doomsday101]

Oddly enough, as a Cowboys fan, I was not interested in what BP did in the draft. I was too horrified as the drafted rolled on that we were picking largely camp fodder, though I am sure Jerra senses future HOFers.


But you go ahead and have fun with his selections.

I was not interested in what Miami did but I think it shows how weak this draft was when guys like Pat White who many felt was a day 2 pick went in day 1. I don't see our selection as camp fodder or HOF but then who knows when talking about 3rd picks and later that could be said about any team in this draft.

 

[Randy White]

I'm interested to see how Maclin does. At Mizz he ran a lot of bubble screens but what would worry me his production vs top teams was not all that great unlike Crabtree and another Big 12 WR Dez Bryant

He should be fine in the WCO if he knows how to read defenses while running. Andy Reid is a heck of an offensive coordinator who puts his receiver in position to make plays, but it's up the receivers to make them.

Now, here's their problem: size. I'm a huge fan of Desean Jackson, but he's small. Maclin is not much bigger. If you hit them, it would throw them off their routes, which is imperative in the WCO, and that will create problem.

However if you miss and they get to run free in the open field, you're done.

Also, your D-line CANNOT lose containment of McChunky because that would distract the DBs which will open the door for Jackson and Maclin to run crazy on you.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I don't agree. Going by experience of watching this drafts for over 20 years, just about on every trade up, the team calling start earlier.

The odds are that Buffalo didn't call Dallas last minute to trade up for the #51st. They probably started calling early in the 2nd round to gauge the Cowboys interest.

I'd lay money that Buffalo didn't initiate that exchange. It wasn't a case of Buffalo trading up as much as it was a case of Dallas trading down. Dallas had that deal on the table and waited until the very last second for anyone else to improve on what wasn't very good value.

The team that loses via the trade chart is almost always the one looking to make the move.

 

[Dhragon]

This draft may end up being one of our worst drafts ever (who really knows at this point), but the odds are, with 12 picks, we should at least get a couple solid players from it. Maybe we'll even get lucky and get another Ratliff or Scandrick out of it.

What the megahaters hate is that we didn't follow Kiper's or any other of the big names draft boards (which ALL the major mock drafts base their own picks on) and thus are being seen as poor drafters. They trust the Kiper's more than our own draft board. That is fine.

History does show however, that Kiper, McShae, etc are not infallible and miss quite a bit. So the megahaters just need to not take the media shots taken at our draft personally. It's okay, really. If the worst thing that happens in your life is a bad draft, you've lived a pretty good life