Average separation generated for a QB so far in 2024

MysteryIceGuro

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The two issues are not mutually exclusive.

Dak is simply mediocre. Not worth 60 mil. You could get this man Tyreek Hill, Ceedee, Justin Jefferson, and Cooper Kupp all on one team and he’d still fail to step up to elite caliber.

The WR corp is absolutely horrid as well. Just downright disparaging.

The offense as a whole is horrendous. The QB, the O-line, the WR, and especially the RB room. I’ve been said the offensive roster needs to be overhauled.
 

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When your running QB refuses to run problems will surely follow.
This ^^

Before his injury, he wasn’t particular a running QB but would do so when necessary. Somewhat of a worse Josh Allen (Dak lacks Josh’s speed).

Now he’s trying to be a Tom Brady-esque pocket passer, which he never was and never will be. Not sure why he’s so hellbent on staying this way. One could mark it up to business decisions but he’s already received his business decisions. Two actually.

Especially in today’s league, a dual threat QB is truly the way to go. Truly a tragic outcome for the Cowboys. Trapped with wannabe pocket passer than can’t pass worth a ****.
 

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It will be interesting to revisit an updated version of this chart in a couple of weeks. Part of the separation issue could be from the super quick passing attack they used against Cleveland. Better OL play moving forward could be a sneaky way to help these receivers as well.
 

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It will be interesting to revisit an updated version of this chart in a couple of weeks. Part of the separation issue could be from the super quick passing attack they used against Cleveland. Better OL play moving forward could be a sneaky way to help these receivers as well.
You offer an interesting introspective on how to fix the offense, however, your spectacle offers two issues at hand—

-our personnel is not capable of doing either of these things you offer— “better OL play” and the improvement of separation is simply a skills issue that our players aren’t capable of doing.

-our coaching staff is abysmal and tends to not make any changes through the season even when issues are obviously in dire need of improvement.
 

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you admitted that it doesn't show Dak being accurate.

Then proceeded to say the data is inaccurate.

As I said, your point is, data that shows dak in a positive light = good.

Data that shows negatively on Dak = bad.

I read just fine. And so do you. That's why you're spending time discounting data you don't like and insulting the comprehension skills of those who are interpreting said data accurately
lol. i surely hope you're trolling. otherwise, yikes.
 

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This is exactly what I meant about other teams making it easy on their QB while we just ask Dak to be superman and win with no separation. Get me a real coordinator like the Saints have.
Said the same thing about the defense after the GB, get me a better defensive coordinator and the Cowboys will show their worth on Sundays. Well, Zim looked destroyed on the sidelines last Sunday. He had no answers to fix what is broken on HIS defense. I've watched and listened to far too many football experts that backed Prescott and his outrageous contract demands, that backed this organization with the players that are on both the offense and defense. Now all of a sudden these so-called experts are calling this team SOFT, SOFT as Charmin Toilet Paper! Prescott didn't deserve a raise to $60 a year, he's proving to be a lousy QB when times get tough, the dude's passes are all over the place, he won't throw a deep ball anymore because 99.9 % of his deep passes aren't catchable. I watched Carr in the pocket last Sunday and even under pressure he was able to deliver, which is something Prescott has major issues with and let's not forget about all those FGs the Cowboys had to go for because the offense kept stalling out. When you are the highest paid at your position at least leave a little blood, sweat and tears on the field when you are done.............. Beating toads by double digits doesn't get a pass anymore when you can't deliver against the average clubs in the NFL. Somebody needs to inform Prescott that CeeDee isn't the only target on the field, spread the ball around, it might help.........
 

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The two issues are not mutually exclusive.

Dak is simply mediocre. Not worth 60 mil. You could get this man Tyreek Hill, Ceedee, Justin Jefferson, and Cooper Kupp all on one team and he’d still fail to step up to elite caliber.

The WR corp is absolutely horrid as well. Just downright disparaging.

The offense as a whole is horrendous. The QB, the O-line, the WR, and especially the RB room. I’ve been said the offensive roster needs to be overhauled.
oh, you left out the FB from your list.

so OL is horrible. WRs are horrible. RBs are horrible. but we expect QB to be great!! how?
 

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cooper rush lost the first time the opposing team scored more than 20...

but keep having wet dreams of cooper rush.
Maybe the teams he defeated didn't score more than 20 because he sustained drives, kept field position favorable, gave the D time to rest, engaged more than 1 receiver, kept us in front or kept us close and made key plays when needed, avoided turnovers & thus point off turnovers. In other words, the non sexy things that go into being a good QB.
 

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MM play calls and schemes are not much better than KM..the route trees are still too close ie bringing in DBs too close to each other , many easy to defend, the run game disjointed and when your down big where the deep shots?

MM jobs on the line, time to open it WOT!!! what he got to loss. Take risks more motion more deep shots loosen the d up or this is goig to get ugly..

By the way I was defending Mike McCarthy after last year thinking if he can come back that he can take his offense to the next level, you know open it up get deeper into that playbook get more of this motion double moves deep shots making the run game better saying he's gonna commit to the run game he didn't even run the ball much in the second-half against Cleveland we were up big he stole the ******* football!!!

What better time to work on your run game than in the second-half of a game where they were trying not to give up anything big they were daring you to run and you just Chuck the ball right into double coverage all game what I mean in the second-half I know the game was all but over but everything seems like it's backwards like we're in a dark mirror thing with Mike McCarthy I don't know what he's seeing and why he's calling plays like he is like running right up the middle that's not how any of us would do it if we were playing Sandlot football you know we had a guy like deuce & Turpin we're gonna get them moving and on the edges I don't get this this man's a season offensive coordinator and head coach and he don't even know how to use the running backs and the running back by committee he did it last year he used Tony and Rico completely backwards!!!

Now I can see why Jerry didn't extend his contract I mean he's showing that he didn't learn from last year you know the late start on his offense he didn't even open it up it was so conservative until after the San Francisco game and apparently he's back to doing the same **** maybe he needs more coffee before the game but this is getting old...
 

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hmm, 65% this year. 69% last year.... is the accuracy bad?
Yes. For example his stat line early in the game last week were things like 4\4 - 25 yards. Meanwhile stats from around the league were like 3/4 - 62 yards & a TD.

The bulk of his completions are often high percentage short passes or wide open longer completions.
 

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Maybe the teams he defeated didn't score more than 20 because he sustained drives, kept field position favorable, gave the D time to rest, engaged more than 1 receiver, kept us in front or kept us close and made key plays when needed, avoided turnovers & thus point off turnovers. In other words, the non sexy things that go into being a good QB.
actually you would be wrong. Rush was 22nd or worse in every statistical category including time of posession.....

I also looked at the catches by recievers and how it was spread around and really not much different. actualy dak spread it more evenly.

so both assumptions are wrong.

the defense played great. they actually scored a couple of times as well. averaged about 13 points a game....give me that defense and I can get us to 9-8.....
 

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Yes. For example his stat line early in the game last week were things like 4\4 - 25 yards. Meanwhile stats from around the league were like 3/4 - 62 yards & a TD.

The bulk of his completions are often high percentage short passes or wide open longer completions.
yet, in 23 he was 6th in YPA and 4th in AYPA, in 21 he was 10th in YPA, and 7th in AYPA...

so not dink and dunk.

you tend to make assumptions that fit your conclusion you have reached.

btw, I am not defending Dak. just pointing out the false assumptions people tend to make.
 

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When there was nothing there little bro used to take off and make something happen. He was a tank with a reasonable arm. He was a QB draw wizard especially in the end zone. He kept the whole defense honest. His mobility was the best part of his game. He was a fearsome competitor in 2016 and the entire team fed off him.

What I see now is Drew Bledsoe on the decline. A lame duck with a Louis Vuitton fetish. The rest of the team sees it as well. If we ever drafted a real QB threat the entire locker room would ditch this clown in a heart beat.
 

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Meaningless sample sizes here. Derek Carr threw 16 passes against the Cowboys.
 

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actually you would be wrong. Rush was 22nd or worse in every statistical category including time of posession.....

I also looked at the catches by recievers and how it was spread around and really not much different. actualy dak spread it more evenly.

so both assumptions are wrong.

the defense played great. they actually scored a couple of times as well. averaged about 13 points a game....give me that defense and I can get us to 9-8.....
He most definitely spread the ball around to Ced Wilson who had long reception maybe even TD against Vikings that sorta broke the game open. I also believe Noah was still here at that time and was involved. The offense had better flow and defenses weren't simply able to focus on a player to beat us.

Maybe the defense did score but how much of that was complimentary because the offense wasn't putting them in bad spots & letting them rest. I also remember that we played Cincy & Vikings who I believe were both undefeated when we played them & had stout defenses particularly the Vikings. So, he got it done against some solid opponents.
 
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