Average separation generated for a QB so far in 2024

[cowboys5xsbs]

I'm not advocating for this scheme but some of yall make zero sense.

The coach and scheme, qb, wrs, rb and oline can't all SUCK and we still manage a top 3 offense year in and year out.

It doesnt work that way. This may not be you, but there are several who somehow adhere to this philosophy everyone sucks.

Beating up on bad team like the giants inflates those number and the defense was generating the most turnover in the league with multiple score which inflated those numbers.

 

[mrmojo]

Mahomes and 4 other QBs are getting almost same separation at WR as the Cowboy QB but are a lot more accurate?.......Hmmmm

 

[StarLord]

Ok but the highest paid player ever and last year's MVP runner-up can throw them open, so we don't need to worry about separation.

 

[SexyDexy52]

So WRs are getting below league average separation and Dak is below league average in BOTH finding open receivers and getting them the ball.... awesome

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm not advocating for this scheme but some of yall make zero sense.

The coach and scheme, qb, wrs, rb and oline can't all SUCK and we still manage a top 3 offense year in and year out.

It doesnt work that way. This may not be you, but there are several who somehow adhere to this philosophy everyone sucks.

Well said. At some point we have to have an actual discussion around what the root issue is instead of just being reactionary after a loss and saying everything sucks. I'm sure there is some crossover and are always going to be some areas each group can improve upon, but this unit has been more good than bad the last few years suggesting that these offensive coaches are not total fools.

 

[BoysForLife]

His scheme wasn’t good enough for A Rodgers not to complain about it. He hated it. The scheme sucks. That doesn’t mean the QB is good. They’re separate topics.

Rodgers fit the scheme well enough to win multiple MVP awards and a Lombardi and build a HOF career in that offense. He just made those remarks near the end when they both wore each other's patience thin.

 

[JBS]

Rodgers fit the scheme well enough to win multiple MVP awards and a Lombardi and build a HOF career in that offense. He just made those remarks near the end when they both wore each other's patience thin.

Yes. Go ahead and speak for Rodgers. Good call

 

[BoysForLife]

Yes. Go ahead and speak for Rodgers. Good call

I'm just wondering why Rodgers wasn't speaking for himself about his "distaste" for the scheme until the end? He's not exactly been a guy who was afraid to speak his mind about a variety of potentially volatile topics.

 

[jay94]

This more a talent issue than a qb issue. Dak really can't elevate players, we had a more hated qb before him who could do that. Anyways Cooks is a 3 and we have no real 3 or 4 option as a receiver, I get Ferguson could be called our 2, a good, but not great tight end. Our receivers suck.

 

[JBS]

I'm just wondering why Rodgers wasn't speaking for himself about his "distaste" for the scheme until the end? He's not exactly been a guy who was afraid to speak his mind about a variety of potentially volatile topics.

That isn’t what matters. What matters is the scheme sucks.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I have something for everyone to consider. Most NFL teams with an established veteran typically install schemes and plays that their QB is comfortable in executing.

Would we think it is different in Dallas? The offence we have is not just a matter of MM doing things the way he wants to do them, but others in mix, namely Dak, have to be on board.

So if we are not seeing enough motion and deception in the play calling maybe it might not be MM or Garrett's or Linehan's or Moore's or Schottenheimer's doing? It could be the QB and the offensvie crew who are not capable of executing speciifc types of schemes.

...but it also could be the coaching staff stuck in their ways.

 

[Vtwin]

Funny because the moment they added Coop the season was salvaged.

I think having the guy already on the roster that they chose to keep over Coop, and also chose to make the highest paid receiver in the league might negate that argument. In other words, they already have this season's Coop on the roster.

 

[Vtwin]

I asked earlier and got no response. How and when is this mysterious separation metric being determined? Timing is everything.

Another question I have. If a WR has five yards on the defender on a crossing route, and a WR on another team has a step on a receiver on a crossing route, obviously the first WR is going to rank much higher than the second in separation. The question is, what does that matter? An NFL QB should be expected to deliver a catchable ball just the same in either situation. They are both open.

These advance stats and the pretty colored charts and graphs are given way to much attention. They can be very deceiving.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I asked earlier and got no response. How and when is this mysterious separation metric being determined? Timing is everything.

Another question I have. If a WR has five yards on the defender on a crossing route, and a WR on another team has a step on a receiver on a crossing route, obviously the first WR is going to rank much higher than the second in separation. The question is, what does that matter? An NFL QB should be expected to deliver a catchable ball just the same in either situation. They are both open.

These advance stats and the pretty colored charts and graphs are given way to much attention. They can be very deceiving.

I think you're partially right. Don't dismiss the advanced stats, however we do need to be mindful of the sample size. After two games these charts are nice to look at, but only tell a small part of the story. When we get to mid season we should have more reliable data, but currently the difference in being on the + or - side could simply be the difference in the quality of opponent you were playing, the types of coverages they were running, etc.

 

[JBS]

I think you're partially right. Don't dismiss the advanced stats, however we do need to be mindful of the sample size. After two games these charts are nice to look at, but only tell a small part of the story. When we get to mid season we should have more reliable data, but currently the difference in being on the + or - side could simply be the difference in the quality of opponent you were playing, the types of coverages they were running, etc.

Yes. We only have two games of evidence with this scheme.

 

[BoysForLife]

That isn’t what matters. What matters is the scheme sucks.

Opinions vary

It's a scheme that had been pretty successful if you have a guy who can execute it properly.

That's an undeniable fact of history.

 

[exciter]

This is exactly what I meant about other teams making it easy on their QB while we just ask Dak to be superman and win with no separation. Get me a real coordinator like the Saints have.

Kubiak’s last stint as an OC with the Vikings they finished 15th in offense.
Dallas finished 5th last season with not much of a run threat.
Let’s let this season play out more than 2 games before we anoint him the greatest offensive coach in the world!

 

[JBS]

Opinions vary

It's a scheme that had been pretty successful if you have a guy who can execute it properly.

That's an undeniable fact of history.

Yes. The scheme has worked in the past. Fact. Hasn’t been good enough vs good teams here. That’s also a fact.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

M

Eh, don't know about that. For example, the 65-yard CeeDee touchdown did wonders for his YPA but was actually a 15-yard pass (25 air yards) that CeeDee took to the house from a blown tackle. The eye test shows us that he's not pushing the ball way down field like what Carr did to us Sunday.

so is Dak the only one that benefited from long pass plays? or YAC? the eye test maybe biased. no?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The post is about the first two games.

Dak’a accuracy has been less than his normal so far this season. Likely because it’s still early and a lot of offenses are struggling.

I don't disagree. I actually think there is something wrong with his shoulder or elbow. he is pushing the ball a little too hard and has less zip on the ball. something is not right