Twitter: Baldinger: Receivers are running straight to defenders

[Roadtrip635]

I think you're wrong, but I can see you're committed to it, so more power to you.

Those are the type of plays we should be running more often, instead of the high number of slower developing curls and comebacks that offer very little YAC. and easier to defend. Quick throws, use Zeke and Tavon together, put Tavon in motion to draw attention. You can use those quick throws to set up deeper shots too.

 

[Legend]

I'd choose Terrell Owens, Dez Bryant, Terry Glenn and Jason Witten over Irving and Novacek any day, and 4 times on Sunday. BTW, several teams have won the Super Bowl with 27th or worse defenses. Romo is/was a regular season hero.

I take a prime Irvin over T.O., Dez, and Glenn because he was the hardest working Cowboy, hated to lose, and did not throw his teammates under the bus.

 

[khiladi]

Simply untrue rhetoric.

Cole Beasley had 75 receptions in 2016 and became Dak's favorite target running almost solely quick outs.
Dak loved that play because Beasley was open almost instantly and caught the ball.

Linehan's playcalling is limited because of Linehan. He has an offensive philosophy that is decades old.

The light sprinkling of anything remotely modern has succeeded.

The thought this is all tied to Dak is total and complete garbage argued by only really dull minded individuals with a prior agenda.
Dak isn't responsible for awful play calls, poor route-running, guys stepping out of bounds on routes or guys having balls clang off their pads only to be intercepted. He has been inaccurate at times to a fault and he has zero comfort level in the pocket since Tyron went down last year but he is hardly the primary issue this team is facing on offense. That's been proven when EVERY series they run Dak the team scores. The deep balls Dak has thrown this year have been accurate and good tosses. But half the play-calls see 3 or 4 receivers instantly covered and at least one OL pushed back into Dak while WRs aimlessly and by design run their route right at DBs who know exactly what route is coming.
Then people whine Dak holds the ball too long when the defender is to the spot the ball is designed to go because they literally know the exact play.

All off-season we were told this would be a new offense, not reliant on any one player and sprinkling in all these new concepts.
And guess which plays have been most effective? Dak rushes then getting the ball to Austin. That's been about it. 3rd by a mile is Dak rushing the ball but there's been so many penalties and his fumble last week that the effectiveness is reduced well beyond top of league in rushing stature.

The hate on Dak agenda is no different then the hate on Romo agenda that proceeded it by 5 years.

The issue is this 1995 scheme we refuse to let go of. Garrett trusts this scheme because it is the one he played in and loves.
Other teams are running successful stuff based on college spread systems like the one Dak actually played in and beat Alabama running.

And like Linehan said teams started doubling down on Beasley and Witten and forced Dak to throw outside, but he can’t.. they started showing rushing and dropping defenders to crowd the middle.

We’ve run more spread, more playaction, more bootlegs, more read options with Dak in one year with Linehan than incompetent Garrett could muster in his whole career here..

Romo’s situation was nothing like Dak’s.. Romo was hamstrung by a buffoon Garrett and if we had Linehan as a playcaller, we would have at least won multiple playoff games. Linehan may be average, but Garrett is trash..

 

[aikemirv]

Yeah, Steve Young is widely recognized as one of the most accurate QBs ever and he also had not one but two All Time Top 5 WRs, led the league in completion% 5 or 6 times, his season high was 70%. Brees in the current era has a high of 80%

Brees has not had 80% for a season.

The league leader by season from 1991-95 - avg 67.72,
96-00 66.24
01-05 68.28
06-10 68.60
11-15 69.8

4% discount is adequate.

 

[Legend]

I'd choose Terrell Owens, Dez Bryant, Terry Glenn and Jason Witten over Irving and Novacek any day, and 4 times on Sunday. BTW, several teams have won the Super Bowl with 27th or worse defenses. Romo is/was a regular season hero.

I take a prime Irvin over T.O., Dez, and Glenn because he was the hardest working Cowboy, hated to lose, and did not throw his teammates under the bus.

Aikman also played with the best collection of talent ever in 1992 and 1993.
This scheme we run now is the same we ran then.

If we had Antonio Brown and Gronk then this scheme would be great for Dak at QB too.....

Romo had far less success against good teams because we had less talent then them.

Aikman played 1 team a season with similar talent in San Fran in 92 and 93. 94 and 95 there might have been 3 or 4 teams as good.

The current Cowboys do not run the same scheme as the 90s Cowboys. If they did, Zeke will be getting 30+ carries a game (with a FB leading the way for most of those carries) and Dak will be under center most of the time instead of in shotgun.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Hurns had a great 2015 with over 1,000 yards receiving and 10 tds. So apparently Bortles could get him the ball and Hurns did something with it. I wish we could have Drew Brees for just 1 game so that we would all see what a real QB looks like running this offense.

Drew Brees in this offense would be no better than any QB we've had under Garrett. Brees is a great QB, but is in a creative system that tailors to his strengths. Here its Garrett offense and it will be run the same way whether it's Romo, Marino, Montana, Brees, Vick or Rowdy.

 

[jterrell]

I take a prime Irvin over T.O., Dez, and Glenn because he was the hardest working Cowboy, hated to lose, and did not throw his teammates under the bus.



The current Cowboys do not run the same scheme as the 90s Cowboys. If they did, Zeke will be getting 30+ carries a game (with a FB leading the way for most of those carries) and Dak will be under center most of the time instead of in shotgun.

This version of the Cowboys leads the league in rushing by percentage.
The offense we run now is based upon the same principles of the 90s offense.
Run, run, throw a timing based pass.
Rinse and Repeat then every 10th play or so take a shot for WR2 down the field deep.
The 90s Cowboys could rush it 30 times because they actually got 1st downs....

 

[Clove]

I take a prime Irvin over T.O., Dez, and Glenn because he was the hardest working Cowboy, hated to lose, and did not throw his teammates under the bus.

TO was one of the top WRs to ever play, Irvin fell in a pack of other great receivers.

 

[Legend]

This version of the Cowboys leads the league in rushing by percentage.
The offense we run now is based upon the same principles of the 90s offense.
Run, run, throw a timing based pass.
Rinse and Repeat then every 10th play or so take a shot for WR2 down the field deep.
The 90s Cowboys could rush it 30 times because they actually got 1st downs....

Dak does not throw timing passes. Aikman threw the ball in a certain location before the WR finished the route.

That required a WR to run precise routes while shielding off the defender.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Brees has not had 80% for a season.

The league leader by season from 1991-95 - avg 67.72,
96-00 66.24
01-05 68.28
06-10 68.60
11-15 69.8

4% discount is adequate.

Sorry Brees was 72% last year, he is at 80.6% so far this year. Very impressive since he's averaging 43 passes a game too.

 

[Legend]

TO was one of the top WRs to ever play, Irvin fell in a pack of other great receivers.

T.O. played more games/seasons (since Irvin's career was cut shot) and in more pass happy offenses... and averaged 73 yards receiving per game while Irvin averaged 75 yards receiving per game.

 

[khiladi]

And Dak got absolutely smashed by Alabama his Senior year...

 

[Legend]

And Dak got absolutely smashed by Alabama his Senior year...

Alabama smashes a lot of teams and Mississippi is not known to be a college football powerhouse.

 

[khiladi]

Plus, we don’t even know how much Linehan has taken away the RPOs for Dak, because of his inability to read defenses. So when it’s a passing formation, it’s a passing formation for Dak. When he does have it, it’s the quick hits.

Yeah, like I’ve said a million times, his best throws are in the inside slant and the middle, or when breaks pocket and has only one direction to throw, but when the first read is gone and he needs to play the whole field, he’s toast.

Cole Beasley used to work regularly because it was quick hits and Dak was decisive, but nobody is going to give you that consistently.

 

[Jake]

Drew Brees in this offense would be no better than any QB we've had under Garrett. Brees is a great QB, but is in a creative system that tailors to his strengths. Here its Garrett offense and it will be run the same way whether it's Romo, Marino, Montana, Brees, Vick or Rowdy.

Rowdy has been working a bit with Cole Beasley, so maybe you're on to something.

 

[khiladi]

Alabama smashes a lot of teams and Mississippi is not known to be a college football powerhouse.

Somebody mentioned Dak beating Alabama one year attesting to his greatness. Well he got smashed his Senior Year after ‘developing’ and didn’t beat a single ranked team and lost all 4 of them, who were SEC opponents..

His stats in those games were trash time in blowouts..

 

[ConstantReboot]

Those are the type of plays we should be running more often, instead of the high number of slower developing curls and comebacks that offer very little YAC. and easier to defend. Quick throws, use Zeke and Tavon together, put Tavon in motion to draw attention. You can use those quick throws to set up deeper shots too.

Now our offense have our receivers head straight to the defenders and wait there. And people here expect Dak to throw to them? Absurd I say!!

Dak can hit receivers in stride. He can throw deep. He doesn't have a noodle arm. Just give him plays that he is comfortable with. Plays that doesn't take an entire 10 seconds to develop and him dropping back into the pocket. We need more slants, rub routes, bootlegs and especially more passes from RPO and play action. Simple plays that even an high school team can run. None of these old, plain vanilla plays that Garrett/Linehan likes to run. That playbook needs to be burned and Garrett and Linehan needs to be kicked to the curb.

 

[khiladi]

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...ent-for-the-Dallas-Cowboys-in-2017-108366892/

Defenses started treating Beasley different. Now Dallas is trying to open things up for Dak by lining Shorty up on the outside, like a less than 6 foot WR, to do something, who knows what..

 

[ConstantReboot]

Drew Brees in this offense would be no better than any QB we've had under Garrett. Brees is a great QB, but is in a creative system that tailors to his strengths. Here its Garrett offense and it will be run the same way whether it's Romo, Marino, Montana, Brees, Vick or Rowdy.

Peyton is a very good coach that has tailored that offense around Brees. He was that reason we got Romo and brought it an offense that tailored around Romo's strengths. Then Garrett came along and ruined it. Romo ran the entire offense while Garett was OC and now as coach. Now were seeing a train wreck because Garrett's coaching style and his playbook is exposed.

 

[khiladi]

Dallas has to sell Dak, with their ‘changes’, however limited, because they benched a beat elite QB for a bum (using this relatively, he’s more than fine as a backup) who can’t throw outside nor deep, in an offense that was built on attacking deep.

They totally destroyed a short SB window, when all pieces were in play.

Now we got posts on this forum about whether or not we need to rebuild the OL and is Smith done...