Ball's fault

[Gaede]

He's responsible for a TD or two a game. It's really quite remarkable how terrible he is. Even though I thought he'd be terrible going into the season, I have to admit I'm kinda shocked at just how bad he is.

Me too. I had no idea how bad he actually would be. I'd rather have post-prime Roy Williams back there.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You said you couldn't fault Jenkins. He just can't take a gamble like that and miss, especially against probably the best big-play WR in the league.

You said you can't blame Jenkins yes I can there was no need to take that gamble at that stage of the game. He did and he screwed up. Having the safety come from mid field to the sideline with a WR of the caliber of Jackson in the open field is a big advantage to Jackson just as it would be for a guy like Miles in that situation. Our guys do not seem to grasp situational football of knowing when to take the risk and when to make the sure tackle. We had Philly backed up at their own 9 yard line and Jenkins allowed a short pass to turn into a 91 yard TD

I guess we can fault Jenkins for trying to make a play and failing, but I can't fault him that it turned into a 91 yd score.

Ball took the wrong angle, used bad technique and just ended up looking bad.

I'm sick of watching our corners sit back and allow the other team to catch every pass, .. I guess I'll just have to trust Jenkins to make the play if he thinks he can.

He tried, he didn't make it and failed.

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess we can fault Jenkins for trying to make a play and failing, but I can't fault him that it turned into a 91 yd score.

Ball took the wrong angle, used bad technique and just ended up looking bad.

I'm sick of watching our corners sit back and allow the other team to catch every pass, .. I guess I'll just have to trust Jenkins to make the play if he thinks he can.

He tried, he didn't make it and failed.

That is your take on it, Jenkins screw up when there was no need. I would rather have a clean tackle than to make that move without top side help and he did not have it. I would much rather have Philly try and drive 91 yards to get a score than to give it up all in one play. Throughout the game it was 1 play that was beating us Philly was not being able to drive the field. Philly feeds off the big play when you force them to drive the field they are not as successful.

 

[Idgit]

I guess we can fault Jenkins for trying to make a play and failing, but I can't fault him that it turned into a 91 yd score.

Ball took the wrong angle, used bad technique and just ended up looking bad.

I'm sick of watching our corners sit back and allow the other team to catch every pass, .. I guess I'll just have to trust Jenkins to make the play if he thinks he can.

He tried, he didn't make it and failed.

Reading between the lines, Garrett didn't sound too pleased about the particular risk Jenkins took on that play. His tone surprised me, because I agree, I thought he took a good risk and that the safeties should have slowed Jackson at least if they couldn't make the tackle.

 

[jblaze2004]

Reading between the lines, Garrett didn't sound too pleased about the particular risk Jenkins took on that play. His tone surprised me, because I agree, I thought he took a good risk and that the safeties should have slowed Jackson at least if they couldn't make the tackle.

exactly what i thought too....Deion Said jenkins played it right but should of had the other arm on him to try to make the tackle if he missed the ball. Jenkins was finger tips away from knocking the ball down. But I think with Jenkins getting flag so much he just didn't want to touch the reciever at all. But I would of gladdly took a pass interference there instead of a 91 yard touchdown to a twig.

 

[WV Cowboy]

That is your take on it, Jenkins screw up when there was no need. I would rather have a clean tackle than to make that move without top side help and he did not have it. I would much rather have Philly try and drive 91 yards to get a score than to give it up all in one play. Throughout the game it was 1 play that was beating us Philly was not being able to drive the field. Philly feeds off the big play when you force them to drive the field they are not as successful.

Knowing the outcome I would rather have Jackson tackled too.

So is your take that Ball did everything right?

The play that Jenkins attempted could result in an incomplete pass, a pick, or even a pick-6.

The play Ball attempted will always turn out bad.

 

[Doomsday101]

Knowing the outcome I would rather have Jackson tackled too.

So is your take that Ball did everything right?

The play that Jenkins attempted could result in an incomplete pass, a pick, or even a pick-6.

The play Ball attempted will always turn out bad.

No but it would have taken a big play and difficult on his part what I'm saying in that situation Jenkins was foolish for trying to jump the rout without the help over the top. You want to slam Ball for his play this year I have no problem with that but on this play it started and ended with Jenkins he took a stupid gamble when he did not have to. Philly having to go 91 is not their bread and butter they are a quick strike team and so being more conservative in that situation would have been the right thing to do.

 

[DallasDomination]

It's easy to look back at a certain play and find things players should of done differently.

 

[theogt]

It's easy to look back at a certain play and find things players should of done differently.

Particularly when they give you so many opportunities.

 

[Idgit]

It's easy to look back at a certain play and find things players should of done differently.

Especially when you're 4-9.

 

[WV Cowboy]

No but it would have taken a big play and difficult on his part what I'm saying in that situation Jenkins was foolish for trying to jump the rout without the help over the top. You want to slam Ball for his play this year I have no problem with that but on this play it started and ended with Jenkins he took a stupid gamble when he did not have to. Philly having to go 91 is not their bread and butter they are a quick strike team and so being more conservative in that situation would have been the right thing to do.

Watch the replay, Jenkins did not actually try to "jump the route" in an effort for an INT or anything, he just tried to bat the ball down. His mistake would have been not grabbing jersey with his other hand.

Also watch the replay and see where Sens was when Jackson make his cut back to the middle. If Ball forces Jackson to stay outside he might have made the 35 yd line.

If I'm coaching our secondary I like what Jenks did way better than what Ball did.

 

[Doomsday101]

Watch the replay, Jenkins did not actually try to "jump the route" in an effort for an INT or anything, he just tried to bat the ball down. His mistake would have been not grabbing jersey with his other hand.

Also watch the replay and see where Sens was when Jackson make his cut back to the middle. If Ball forces Jackson to stay outside he might have made the 35 yd line.

If I'm coaching our secondary I like what Jenks did way better than what Ball did.

I saw it you want to defend Jenkins and slam Ball be my guest but that is not what I saw on that play and it does not surprise me that Garrett was not happy with that from jenkins.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I saw it ...

Did you see where Sensabaugh was when Jackson cut it back?

Any hesitation on Jackson's part and Sens takes him down.

I just know that if I'm a secondary coach I'm teaching corners to do what Jenkins did, ... and teaching them NOT to do what Ball did.

He is called safety for a reason.

 

[Seven]

No matter what coverage they were in, Ball was there but took the wrong angle and gave him the inside.

He should have tried to use the sideline as a teammate.

They both had **** angles on that play. They both whiffed it, IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

Did you see where Sensabaugh was when Jackson cut it back?

Any hesitation on Jackson's part and Sens takes him down.

I just know that if I'm a secondary coach I'm teaching corners to do what Jenkins did, ... and teaching them NOT to do what Ball did.

He is called safety for a reason.

I saw one of the top big play WR in the open field beat a safety and have seen Jackson do that to others which is why you don't make the move Jenkins did unless you have help over the top. Jackson in the open field will make most look like fools.

 

[DFWJC]

Sure you can fault Jenkins. He was clueless regarding the risk-reward there and he'd be the first to admit it.

Ball took a bad angle later in the play, but that was after the fact. Ball had other responsibilites on that play while Jenkins' job was to cover Jackson and get help if his pattern was deep and to the middle. He ran a simple out pattern and Jenkins whiffed on it...plain and simple.

 

[WV Cowboy]

They both had **** angles on that play. They both whiffed it, IMO.

Who is both? If you are saying Jenkins took the wrong angle, ... wow, I don't see it that way.

As a matter of fact, in watching the replay I can't see how he missed the ball. But he did.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I still say you don't take that risk there. You have them backed up. The game is tied. You're not in a desperation situation (e.g. down a bunch with little time left). You can't take a chance right there unless you *know* you can make it.

If you're covering Keyshawn Johnson there, okay. But not Desean Jackson.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I saw one of the top big play WR in the open field beat a safety and have seen Jackson do that to others which is why you don't make the move Jenkins did unless you have help over the top. Jackson in the open field will make most look like fools.

You keep coming back to Jenkins decision, ... let's say he lets him catch it, but can't bring Jackson down, ... then can we agree that Ball played it wrong.

If you can't blame Jenkins, then what do you think of Ball's play?

 

[Doomsday101]

I still say you don't take that risk there. You have them backed up. The game is tied. You're not in a desperation situation (e.g. down a bunch with little time left). You can't take a chance right there unless you *know* you can make it.

If you're covering Keyshawn Johnson there, okay. But not Desean Jackson.

Exactly. Once Jackson is in open field he will make many in the NFL look lost. Had Jenkins had someone over the top on that coverage I would have no problem with it but he was one on one and if your willing to take the gamble then you better be ready to take the heat if you miss.