Baltimore Ravens Terminate Ray Rice Contract/ Goodell announces indefinitely suspended Ray Rice

[Kaiser]

True.
Isn't this double jeopardy?
He admitted to punching her(which by the way it is never acceptable).
He got his due process,but now that we have a visual,does it really make it worse?
He was handed a punishment,albeit light,but because now we saw what we already knew happened,hos does that change anything?

The concept of Double Jeopardy applies to legal proceedings and doesn't apply, all of this legal is a matter of contract law. When you sign a contract to play in the NFL and get the big bucks, you are agreeing by contract to whatever the NFL wants to do to you in a disciplinary action (subject to the players association bargaining).

 

[Smith22]

When this incident originally occurred, video leaked pretty quickly showing Rice dragging his unconscious fiancé out of the elevator. Based on that alone, the NFL should have dug around for the entire video of the incident.

 

[Avery]

Why now? It was never in doubt that he punched her previously and everyone knew this. If you think cutting him and suspending indefinitely is what should have been done, that's what should have been done from the beginning.

But now that a video shows what we already know, we take more aggressive action? Makes no sense.

I'm not excusing the behavior at all, but they're really making Rice the whipping boy for this.

 

[joseephuss]

Why now? It was never in doubt that he punched her previously and everyone knew this. If you think cutting him and suspending indefinitely is what should have been done, that's what should have been done from the beginning.

But now that a video shows what we already know, we take more aggressive action? Makes no sense.

I'm not excusing the behavior at all, but they're really making Rice the whipping boy for this.

Maybe they want to have some excuses set up for when Joe Flacco sucks this year and the Ravens miss the playoffs.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Duck

Is this a word game? I wanna play. You said duck. I say AFLAC!

 

[John813]

I think he'll be back next year. The media storm will die down, and I think Goodell will give him the 6 game ban.

There'll be an appearance on Oprah, or the View beforehand, and all will be forgiven.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That would make sense, but still makes the NFL look lazy. A star player assaults his fiancé and you take his/her word about what actually happened rather than digging a bit deeper. Sad.

Very sad and very lazy and I do believe that's what we had going on here. They were lazy, didn't want to dig into it any deeper than that, and took what the two of them said.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

If I remember right didn't Rice get a standing O at the Ravens game...first game back?

Fans are forgiving of pretty much anything. As long as you win.

If you lose well we'll tear your heart out.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If I remember right didn't Rice get a standing O at the Ravens game...first game back?

Fans are forgiving of pretty much anything. As long as you win.

If you lose well we'll tear your heart out.

He probably did.

I wouldn't applaud him.

I have no use for guys that hit woman. They're one of the lowest forms of coward in the world.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

He probably did.

I wouldn't applaud him.

I have no use for guys that hit woman. They're one of the lowest forms of coward in the world.

Awful. I think I remember reading that.

 

[justbob]

This thread has nothing to do with Brent...Stay on the topic .

 

[85Cowboy85]

The concept of Double Jeopardy applies to legal proceedings and doesn't apply, all of this legal is a matter of contract law. When you sign a contract to play in the NFL and get the big bucks, you are agreeing by contract to whatever the NFL wants to do to you in a disciplinary action (subject to the players association bargaining).

This is true but...

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/08/ray-rice-video-legal-fallout-roger-goodell-baltimore-ravens

The NFL has broad legal authority to suspend players under the league's personal conduct policy, including the ability to modify penalties. The personal conduct policy does not include a “double jeopardy” provision like one found in the Fifth Amendment, although Article 46 of the NFL's collective bargaining agreement states that neither the NFL nor a team (such as the Ravens) can punish a player twice for the same conduct or act. Whether video of Rice punching a person in an elevator constitutes different "conduct" or "act" from Rice dragging that same person minutes later is debatable. NFL suspensions are not criminal sanctions, moreover, and players cannot claim protection from the Fifth Amendment to avoid NFL penalty. Additionally, players have contractually assented to the NFL’s disciplinary authority through the collective bargaining agreement negotiated by their union, the National Football League Players’ Association.

The NFL's authority to discipline is not boundless. As the NFL has extended Rice’s suspension in light of the new elevator video, a potentially key legal issue will be whether the NFL was aware or should have been aware of the elevator video when it suspended Rice in July. At this time it is unclear whether the NFL's understanding of Rice’s incident exceeded publicly available information. There had been, however, rumors of additional video footage existing and the league implied it knew more information was publicly available. Then again, if the NFL knew of the new -- and violent -- footage back in July, Rice presumably would have received a longer suspension than two games. The fact that the Ravens supported Rice in July but are today cutting him suggests the team, at least, was unaware of the video.The NFL should have also been aware that any additional video would eventually make its way online and potentially worsen the public's already adverse perception of Rice’s conduct.

 

[Blackspider214]

I don't think the NFL execs and commissioner viewed the tape before today. Perhaps they thought they were in a position of plausible deniability.

I believe they did. Now they are taking the high road by acting like they are disgusted by his actions. But the only reason they did this because it's been made public. When it was private, it was only speculation as to what happened.

The police even saw this video and just gave him slap on the wrist, if even that.

I find the faux outrage on this incident amusing. We all knew he knocked her out cold and drug her out before the video was released. Does the footage now make it worse?

And Goodell just making up punishment as he goes. 2 games, then 6, now indefinite? Why? How many players with domestic charges get this treatment? The 49ers player was on the field yesterday after accusations of beating his pregnant gf or wife.

Goodell has no idea what he's doing.

 

[85Cowboy85]

This suspension raises some questions. For instance lets say somebody on the team violates the personal conduct policy by smoking weed. He gets suspended a fixed amount of games.

Weeks later a video surfaces of the incident. Can Goodell then suspend the player twice?

Although I agree Goodell messed up the first time this is a worrisome precedent.

 

[EST_1986]

You are right. Corporations, teams, etc never try to cover anything up, right? They never pay hush hush money to make stuff go away, right? This happens every single day. Spare me the tired 9/11 talk, too.

You know of the team across the street that plays baseball? They covered up Ron Washington's cocaine issue and testing positive for 9 months.

Quit being so naive and believing these are all upstanding people running these teams and the league.

 

[Doomsday101]

after seeing the video I can't blame them for cutting him loose. That was despicable what he did.

 

[Blackspider214]

You are something else. The fact that you don't realize this goes on every day in corporations is beyond me. How many CEOs pay off women to not come forward?

How old are you, 12?

I bet you also think Goodell is clean as a whistle and is doing an outstanding job being commissioner.

Cute picture by the way. When pics are your rebuttal, you know you are dealing with someone of low intelligence who uses pics and memes to convey their points.

 

[Blackspider214]

You think a billion dollar corporation that did see that wouldn't have reacted more strongly - given that they would know that it eventually would get out.

That's the real lol.

No I do not. Stuff like this gets swept under the rug on a daily basis. They thought they were powerful enough to keep this video under wraps and let it blow over.

But when it was made public, they had to do this to save face.

Police has had this video since this happened. You don't think anyone from the NFL saw any of it until today? Lol.

Ray Rice is a very popular player. Ravens and the NFL wanted to keep him around. What does the NFL have to lose trying to sweep it under the rug? When all they have to do is if it one day leaked, and it did, was just terminate him and kick him out and look like heroes?.

Not that hard to grasp. They were in a win/win. Either a very popular player gets past all this stuff and keeps playing or they get positive PR when it leaks and they do what they did today while denying they never saw it.

Many people are questioning the ravens and nfl today on that very topic.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

If I remember right didn't Rice get a standing O at the Ravens game...first game back? ...

The Balt crowd did give him a standing ovation. I think the league realized after the video was released they were about to witness a public relations disaster as most likely the first home regular season game Rice would have been given another standing ovation while others would be protesting outside the stadium.

You were about to see Rice protesters outside the staduium and Rice cheerleaders inside. Can you just picture the scantily-clad Raven cheerleaders cheering for Rice after he scored a TD? The NFL would have been a laughingstock. And it could have gotten very ugly before and after the game with the potential for violence.

 

[TheCount]

Like I said, I don't think anyone reasonably could believe that they had seen this video.

You're free to believe what you wish.

The NFL (or the Ravens) didn't even bother retroactively upping his suspension from 2 to 6 games, based on their new policy. Now, they can't seem to punish him quickly enough.