Twitter: Based on QBR. Dak has a argument to be top paid at his position

[QuincyCarterEra]

It's honestly insane ABQ used to be a mod on here, does make sense why he isn't anymore though.

 

[charron]

Dak having success isn't just about Dak. This is the problem. Dak is having success in part because he is good but also because the amount of help he gets from a top RB, OL, WR's that also must be paid. Without any one of those guys Dak is less than average, it happened when Zeke was suspended, when green was historically bad, and again when they cut Dez and tried running Hurns/Twill as a #1.

 

[Sarge]

He’ll be the top paid QB for about 2 seconds, then the next guy signed will take over. That’s how it works. We’re just batter up right now.

 

[StuckMojo]

Would have been a downgrade. Also a RB doesn't help QBR or QB play in general.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh

 

[Typhus]

QBR is considered one of the best ways to gauge how good or bad a QB is. As you can see, it filters out the Jameis Winston's of the world. Based on 2019......the argument for Dak and his team isn't nearly as outrageous as many would like for you to think.

You should bump Todd France out, just call Dak and tell him to check your posts.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Thanks, I needed a good laugh

That's why we keep ya around

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I would have liked to seen Brady with our receivers and RBs last year.

Well I would've liked to have seen Dak with the Patriots defense and Bill Bellicheck and that division but it didn't happen now did it?

 

[StuckMojo]

Well I would've liked to have seen Dak with the Patriots defense and Bill Bellicheck and that division but it didn't happen now did it?

Nope, but Dak wouldn’t have had the weapons in NE that he has in Dallas.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

According to who? I mean, if you can use QBR as the primary justification for why a player can be paid, why can't you use actual wins, which is what this game is about? I mean, I know your trying to slide the goal posts here, as if it's factual but, we don't watch the NFL to see who wins the QBR title. We tune in, go to games, buy merchandise because we want to win a championship. That's the whole point of the game.

If you were really all about team, then you would not have a problem with using those three players contracts as frame work for Dak. After all, it would free up more money to compensate the Henry's of the world and/or, allow for teams to bring in more talent that would ultimately improve the talent levels of any given team. Do you not see how hollow this presents? The "Team" won those championships but QBR shows that Dak deserves to be paid, not only as well, not only better, but ridiculously better then the best QBs in the NFL. No, I don't think so. Tell that story walking because there is no honesty in that approach.

QBR, who says that's the best measuring stick? The justification for Dak started around the idea that his intangibles were the primary factor around Dak and the justification for why he deserved to be the starter, get paid, all the rest. That was the key, until that is, a favorable stat was found. One that happened, it's now QBR. Really?

Not everybody believes that QBR is the primary measure for QBs. In fact, many believe that it's extremely flawed. The very language of the original post is a misnomer because it introduces the idea that QBR is the primary factor. Well, that's just not the case. So why can't I introduce the idea that actual winning should be the primary reason? Why is that out of bounds? Let me help you here, it's not. It's just not something that you, apparently, like. That's it, no other reason.

That's a hard fail. Moving on.

What do you mean according to who? Are you asking that based on quarterbacks being paid more than anyone else? What are you asking?

And I never said QBR is the primary measure. I said its considered to be the best way to gauge a QBR. As opposed to using things like team record and passing yards, etc.

Of course its flawed. Every stat has flaws. If you can find a stat that isn't flawed please show me. But its funny you can see the flaws in QBR but not in "team record" when it comes to a individual. And if you want to use "team record" to gauge a player then Dak is top 3 there too.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nope, but Dak wouldn’t have had the weapons in NE that he has in Dallas.

He would've been just fine with Julian Edelman and Sony Michel. Its not like Tom Brady lit it up himself with those weapons.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What do you mean according to who? Are you asking that based on quarterbacks being paid more than anyone else? What are you asking?

And I never said QBR is the primary measure. I said its considered to be the best way to gauge a QBR. As opposed to using things like team record and passing yards, etc.

Of course its flawed. Every stat has flaws. If you can find a stat that isn't flawed please show me. But its funny you can see the flaws in QBR but not in "team record" when it comes to a individual. And if you want to use "team record" to gauge a player then Dak is top 3 there too.

I don't really think that the question you are asking needs to be spelled out. The piece uses QBR as the primary reason to justify paying Dak what he is asking for. Why? Why is that the primary factor in that particular discussion?

Wins and Losses have no flaws. You either win or you lose. If you win a Championship, you have accomplished the goal every team in the NFL sets out to accomplish every year. If you don't, then you fail in that goal. No flaws. Just straight out Ws and Ls.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't really think that the question you are asking needs to be spelled out. The piece uses QBR as the primary reason to justify paying Dak what he is asking for. Why? Why is that the primary factor in that particular discussion?

Wins and Losses have no flaws. You either win or you lose. If you win a Championship, you have accomplished the goal every team in the NFL sets out to accomplish every year. If you don't, then you fail in that goal. No flaws. Just straight out Ws and Ls.

Its not the "primary factor". Its the best way to gauge a quarterback. And if you want to use wins and losses fine. Dak is 3rd behind Russell Wilson and Tom Brady. He's even better there than he is in QBR.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Its not the "primary factor". Its the best way to gauge a quarterback. And if you want to use wins and losses fine. Dak is 3rd behind Russell Wilson and Tom Brady. He's even better there than he is in QBR.

No, it's not fine and it's not the best way to gauge a quarterback either. Fact is, QBR is a creation of ESPN and the numbers used to create that rating change, according to ESPN. In fact, many of the formulas used are not even published. No, it's not the best way.

Dak is not 3rd behind Wilson and Brady. In fact, his tied for last. He has no Super Bowl wins. That's the truth of it because we've already established that it's about Super Bowls. Those Goal Posts, they get harder and harder to move right?

 

[ondaedg]

Best way to gauge how good or bad a QB is: team record and the ability to lead a team deep into the playoffs.

Starting...now!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No, it's not fine and it's not the best way to gauge a quarterback either. Fact is, QBR is a creation of ESPN and the numbers used to create that rating change, according to ESPN. In fact, many of the formulas used are not even published. No, it's not the best way.

Dak is not 3rd behind Wilson and Brady. In fact, his tied for last. He has no Super Bowl wins. That's the truth of it because we've already established that it's about Super Bowls. Those Goal Posts, they get harder and harder to move right?

Dak is 3rd behind Wilson and Brady when it comes to W/L's.

And you want to talk about goal posts? You are doing what you do everytime. You don't actually have a point or a stance. You are just disagreeing with me. This is what you do. Like right now you are arguing me that QBR is not the right way to gauge a quarterback but you've been arguing this whole time W/L is and now you are saying W/L isn't either. But you want to talk about goal posts? You're not nearly as smart as you are arrogant.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dak is 3rd behind Wilson and Brady when it comes to W/L's.

And you want to talk about goal posts? You are doing what you do everytime. You don't actually have a point or a stance. You are just disagreeing with me. This is what you do. Like right now you are arguing me that QBR is not the right way to gauge a quarterback but you've been arguing this whole time W/L is and now you are saying W/L isn't either. But you want to talk about goal posts? You're not nearly as smart as you are arrogant.

Super Bowls. 8-8 seasons are not the criteria. Championships are what we play for. I mean, if you want to carry that flag up the hill, be my guest but it don't mean squat to me. You can throw all the 8-8 win in with the same QBR Bag of Deplorables.

You are trying to avoid the Championships discussion, I understand. I don't even blame you but don't think for one second you are going to sucker me into straying down this unimportant wins stat because all through this discussion, it's been made clear that it's about championships between you and I. Not gonna happen. You can try but you'll be more disappointed then you are now.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Super Bowls. 8-8 seasons are not the criteria. Championships are what we play for. I mean, if you want to carry that flag up the hill, be my guest but it don't mean squat to me. You can throw all the 8-8 win in with the same QBR Bag of Deplorables.

You are trying to avoid the Championships discussion, I understand. I don't even blame you but don't think for one second you are going to sucker me into straying down this unimportant wins stat because all through this discussion, it's been made clear that it's about championships between you and I. Not gonna happen. You can try but you'll be more disappointed then you are now.

Championships are what we play for. Yes. But championships are not won by a individual. If they were Romo would have a ring. Eli Manning has 2. Does anyone give Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco the credit for their championships? So according to how you gauge quarterbacks...Eli Manning is one of the best quarterbacks of all time to you? Behind Montana, Brady, Aikman and Big Ben correct?

 

[Williamsboys]

You know who wants the Cowboys to pay Dak Prescott all that money?? Our opponents, lol.

 

[MarcusRock]

LOL. Y'all are all hilarious.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Championships are what we play for. Yes. But championships are not won by a individual. If they were Romo would have a ring. Eli Manning has 2. Does anyone give Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco the credit for their championships? So according to how you gauge quarterbacks...Eli Manning is one of the best quarterbacks of all time to you? Behind Montana, Brady, Aikman and Big Ben correct?

Been down this road. I mean, if you want to take that tact, then logically QBR is also heavily influenced by team play. That's the nature of playing the position so really, what you try and outline here is fallacy of the worst kind because I know you are not stupid. So the logical conclusion here is that you know this to be true but you are purposely ignoring that fact and trying to pass off your earlier statement as valid. This entire post invalidates all that you have prescribed, to this point.

Lastly, this discussion is not about best. This discussion is about contracts and salary. For the record, yes, Manning is better then Dak to this point and it's not even close. I believe Eli won two championships, which ties him with his brother Peyton, Roger, Griese, Roethlisberger, Elway, Starr and Plunkett, I believe? That's the group he fits in but again, this has nothing to do with who's better or best. This is about contract and how much you pay Dak.

Again, we aren't swerving off the road on this one.