Bashing Jerry

stasheroo;3837998 said:
There was allot of things being said by both guys. It funny though they still have a good relationship as Jimmy said in the pre game "We have known each other for 50 years we have had ups and downs but I always wanted to work with Jerry"

Yeah, it took two to tango in that debacle.

I think the success went to both men's heads and was a big part of the 'breakup'.

Neither has proven to be as successful as they were together.

Shame for us fans.[/QUOTE]

I agree, thing is without that ego of both Jerry and Jimmy chances are we don't have the success. The thing that gave us success also lead to the end of it. I do agree with a comment by Jimmy a few weeks back that you have to have a strong personality to work with Jerry but also said if you do have that then Jerry will get you what you need. Hopefully having Garrett as the HC and seeing what it took to get to the top 1st hand by Jimmy will help in getting us back to where we want to be.
 
It's crazy. In the last 24 hours Jerry bashing has included the seating debacle of 400 fans which he has nothing to do with as the NFL runs the show. And the fact that Jerry was crazy enough to actually make money off the Super Bowl because of his partnership with Papa Johns, which he started years ago.






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dfense;3837938 said:
Well, does that realy fly?

Green Bay had what many consider the best GM in Ron Wolf. They also had multi MVP QB Favre. = 1 SB win. And it took that "model" franchise 13 yrs to get back.

Philadelphia has an empty trophy case and a stable GM and coach for 10 yrs. = 0 SB wins.

The Colts finally won a SB with arguably the best QB ever to play and what I consider the best GM in the business. What did it take them? 11 or 12 years? And from what I saw of their aging team in the playoffs, they aren't going back anytime soon. = 1 SB win.

What about the Pats? Best coach to many, they've lost their last 3 playoff games.

My point is, there's alot of luck involved to. Injuries play a role. There's a reason there's been like 10 different winners in the last 10 years.

If Chicago didn't play a vanilla game against Green Bay in week 16, brought an actual game plan and scored a TD. Green Bay would be at home watching the SB.

This post should be stickied!!! Make every Jerry Basher read it everyday before they are allowed to post. They have agendas and it shows. Heck they think I love Jerry because I defend him so much but it just seems that way because I see what we have vs what others envy. They envy the flavor of the week and don't put all the facts into the thought process.
 
Dave_in-NC;3837995 said:
Like Ice said complaining won't get rid of Jerry. Jerry doesn't see himself as an issue. I do have to say though, not a ton of CEOs would last at their jobs that long out side of Jerry world. He is the peak and the base of the mountain.
Ugh his CEO work constantly lands him in Forbes magazines top 10. Most CEO's will never come close to what Jerry has done.
 
bsheeern;3838200 said:
Ugh his CEO work constantly lands him in Forbes magazines top 10. Most CEO's will never come close to what Jerry has done.

Fact is Jerry did not inherit his team like some other the owners have he put it all on the line when he bought the team and according to Jerry and Jimmy was losing money in the 1st 2 years in Dallas. Jerry has worked hard to make this team as profitable as it is.
 
I usually bash Jerry at every opportunity but since he has let Jason have veto power over staff and players, I have imposed a moritorium on my Jerry bashing because I think that is the smartest decision Jerry has made in years.
 
Doomsday101;3838207 said:
Fact is Jerry did not inherit his team like some other the owners have he put it all on the line when he bought the team and according to Jerry and Jimmy was losing money in the 1st 2 years in Dallas. Jerry has worked hard to make this team as profitable as it is.

But but somebody who knows it all just told me that Jerry wouldnt last long at most companies because he's a bad CEO. Surely this poster knows more about Jerry's CEO work than Forbes. Surely the reports that the cowboys were losing money before Jerry took over are false. Surely the fact that Jerry took one of the least profitable franchises of the eighties and turned them into the most profitable in all of sports is false.

Or maybe it had nothing to do with Jerry. It was all Jimmy or the fans just decided to open their bank accounts and spend money. I just read it from this poster and he said it he surely thinks he knows what he is talking about. It must be true..
End of sarcasm

Jerry is one of the best CEO's in the world. It's been proven and I can't wait to see the spin on this one.
 
I believe the Saints are the personification of luck.

Brees gets injured in the last week of the season. He injures his labrum which could end the career of a lot of QB's. Yet his shoulder is doing fine.

If it wasn't for that injury, the Chargers probably would kept Brees to trade him and the Saints probably could not afford to trade for Brees.

The Chargers then cut him loose and the very first team he goes to is the Dolphins. Regardless of what Brees tells the world, he was all set to be a Dolphin. But, he didn't pass their physical, so they said 'pass.'

He then goes to New Orleans who has him pass their physical. His shoulder was still healing, but they took a chance on him because they didn't have any other available options. In fact, that very preseason his shoulder still wasn't quite right.

But it healed up by the time the regular season started and the rest is history. They lucked into Brees as much as anybody can luck into a player and it got them a Super Bowl.






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Idgit;3837906 said:
It's like complaining about the weather. What's the point?
It's not the heat, it's the humidity.
Yakuza Rich;3838036 said:
It's crazy. In the last 24 hours Jerry bashing has included the seating debacle of 400 fans which he has nothing to do with as the NFL runs the show. And the fact that Jerry was crazy enough to actually make money off the Super Bowl because of his partnership with Papa Johns, which he started years ago.
You forgot the field, Jerry didn't lay the new patches of turf properly.
 
Poor Jerry. I hope he has what he needs to make it through his trials and tribulations...

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On a serious note, yeah, it's pretty darned prevalent, but that's what you get when you're the face of the franchise. Rue-ing lost chances on every football great to ever touch the ball only goes so far.
 
stasheroo;3837899 said:
I was a fan before Jerry Jones and I'll be a fan after he's gone. He's not going to chase me away from supporting my favorite team, no matter how inept he is.

amazing how you leave out the years before that. yea yea, all johnson...

Yeah, right up until the point where Jerry thought he knew what he was doing and didn't need Johnson anymore as '500 guys could coach Jerry's team'.[/QUOTE]

Look, smart guy, Jerry didn't have a real choice in the departure of Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy wrote his OWN ticket out of town when during the week's leadup to the SECOND Super Bowl, he was attempting to negotiate with Buffalo to gain BOTH the GM's and the Head Coach position with THAT team. This, while suppodedly HIS team was preparing for the Super Bowl.

Fact is, JIMMY's character is forever tarnished for being a Benedict Arnold.

Not only was he a snake in the grass here, and after Jerry had broken with the then current trends in the NFL to even bring Jimmy up as a head coach without any NFL experience...but Jimmy was pushing nothing short of a power play to gain control of the newly redeveloping and once again strong franchise.

Then, before the press, following the second year's Super Bowl victory, Jimmy insulted and publicly belittled Jerry during the post game celebration.
A hired person, no matter his ego, or supposed value, is NOT above that organization. Excuses just don't enter the picture here...in any form.

Jerry set up Jimmy for success, and didn't owe HIM humility for any reason. Plain and simple...Jimmy got too big for his own britches. And if truth were known, he would have walked on water in Miami for all the remaining years of his coaching career there. No, fact is, given his own greed level of power wishes, he NO LONGER succeeded at the levels provided by that same Jerry Jones. Buffalo laughed at Jimmy's proposals to them. Why?

Don't mix party favors here also...because Jerry had to continue on with the organization and the status that was evolving in the NFL at that point.

The Cowboys, due to the effect that free agency now played, was tied into the potential production of established stars on his own team then. Injury and free agency decimated what remained of the Dynasty stars...but Jerry was stuck with having to walk through that as well. Unlike a Jimmy Johnson, or later, a Bill Parcells, who could up and walk away and leave their own messes behind. Jerry had to walk and circle wagons with who was accessable to him and his organization as changes came about.

Scouting wasn't nearly as sophisticated an art, as is today. Collegiate coaching wasn't as advance at an entry level as well. Positional instruction then, was more on a demand for intensity and merely beating up the person across from you.

The record from where Jimmy was KICKED OUT of the organization, with Jerry giving him a more humbled and respectful departure of best interest of those involved...to now, has been a progression. But to state all was due to stupidity or ineptness of Jerry, in either the capacity of owner or GM...is just as naive as stating the world turned about the axis of Jimmy Johnson and all respect was due to him.

Naw, Jimmy's character was at issue and the cruxt of change then.

The actions of Haynesworth in Washington points out a more recent example of how attitude, despite money and priviledge, is a cancer in an organization. Well, Jimmy left no alternative to a young owner in the NFL. Plain and simply.

All the subsequent crying over spilled milk is at best, immaturity by fans, as well as the media attempting to cash in the same through yellow journalism.

If there was a direct connection with later teams to previous teams in a franchise, then Pittsburgh should have just been given the Lombardi yesterday. That isn't the reality of the game. Each team has to achieve on it's own merits. It's not easy...but for fans to alter the actual causes for direction even in the past of the Dallas Cowboys, is untruthful, as well a slander on the character of a fine and football person - Jerry Jones.

I much prefer to judge a man upon his travel...not the labels of a tar and bucket brigade looking for vindication for not having another Champion up and set in their respective laps. What has that fan done in the mean time?

When one boils this one down...what has he sacrificed beyond a mental decision to claim that particular team as HIS OWN. When viewed in light of support and sportsmanship, that is a great and positive attribute. But as is now, it merely is an excuse to ridicule and insult a prime contributor to that very organization...then it falls way short of target. More exactly, erects a false target never meriting the disdain insultingly hurled.

Excuse me if I'm not impressed by one's right to be hypocritical in stance or insulting in demeaner. It all boils down to the point that a fan quits being that when he takes resentment for successes at the top level, in a similar manner that sent the Oilers out of Houston and left them without a team until the Texans returned for financial reasons.

The Cowboys could have gone the route of the Oilers, Cleveland, Colts, and Rams if Jerry had not saved that team and established a firm franchise IN DALLAS. He did that on the organizational as well as player levels involved. That involved the dual hat of both the owner and GM. But, that additionally had to transition through and from the hard times as well. Things are really, pretty tough to establish repeats in today's NFL now. If a fan greedily and vainly judges all to a period that gave birth to a dynasty, that is the short sightedness of that fan...not a black mark against Jerry.

With everything magnified and in Soap Opera version about a single team, that reflects both upon the media and some of the fans buying into that pot stirrings by that same media. Hey, in Soap Operas, that is a marriage made in heaven...as the base and insultive nature is watered fully.

In the real world of the NFL...well, that's another truth. Here, despite failures along the way, that same Jerry Jones can hold his head high. As those who report the actual events already give credence for his niche and contributions to both Dallas, and the NFL. The game presented at the Dallas Stadium had problems, but it was a grand affair and received by a huge audience....positively. That is the image that this fan retains, concerning that same Jerry Jones.
 
CCBoy;3838289 said:
Yeah, right up until the point where Jerry thought he knew what he was doing and didn't need Johnson anymore as '500 guys could coach Jerry's team'

Look, smart guy, Jerry didn't have a real choice in the departure of Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy wrote his OWN ticket out of town when during the week's leadup to the SECOND Super Bowl, he was attempting to negotiate with Buffalo to gain BOTH the GM's and the Head Coach position with THAT team. This, while suppodedly HIS team was preparing for the Super Bowl.

Fact is, JIMMY's character is forever tarnished for being a Benedict Arnold.

Not only was he a snake in the grass here, and after Jerry had broken with the then current trends in the NFL to even bring Jimmy up as a head coach without any NFL experience...but Jimmy was pushing nothing short of a power play to gain control of the newly redeveloping and once again strong franchise.

Then, before the press, following the second year's Super Bowl victory, Jimmy insulted and publicly belittled Jerry during the post game celebration.
A hired person, no matter his ego, or supposed value, is NOT above that organization. Excuses just don't enter the picture here...in any form.

Jerry set up Jimmy for success, and didn't owe HIM humility for any reason. Plain and simple...Jimmy got too big for his own britches. And if truth were known, he would have walked on water in Miami for all the remaining years of his coaching career there. No, fact is, given his own greed level of power wishes, he NO LONGER succeeded at the levels provided by that same Jerry Jones. Buffalo laughed at Jimmy's proposals to them. Why?

Don't mix party favors here also...because Jerry had to continue on with the organization and the status that was evolving in the NFL at that point.

The Cowboys, due to the effect that free agency now played, was tied into the potential production of established stars on his own team then. Injury and free agency decimated what remained of the Dynasty stars...but Jerry was stuck with having to walk through that as well. Unlike a Jimmy Johnson, or later, a Bill Parcells, who could up and walk away and leave their own messes behind. Jerry had to walk and circle wagons with who was accessable to him and his organization as changes came about.

Scouting wasn't nearly as sophisticated an art, as is today. Collegiate coaching wasn't as advance at an entry level as well. Positional instruction then, was more on a demand for intensity and merely beating up the person across from you.

The record from where Jimmy was KICKED OUT of the organization, with Jerry giving him a more humbled and respectful departure of best interest of those involved...to now, has been a progression. But to state all was due to stupidity or ineptness of Jerry, in either the capacity of owner or GM...is just as naive as stating the world turned about the axis of Jimmy Johnson and all respect was due to him.

Naw, Jimmy's character was at issue and the cruxt of change then.

The actions of Haynesworth in Washington points out a more recent example of how attitude, despite money and priviledge, is a cancer in an organization. Well, Jimmy left no alternative to a young owner in the NFL. Plain and simply.

All the subsequent crying over spilled milk is at best, immaturity by fans, as well as the media attempting to cash in the same through yellow journalism.

If there was a direct connection with later teams to previous teams in a franchise, then Pittsburgh should have just been given the Lombardi yesterday. That isn't the reality of the game. Each team has to achieve on it's own merits. It's not easy...but for fans to alter the actual causes for direction even in the past of the Dallas Cowboys, is untruthful, as well a slander on the character of a fine and football person - Jerry Jones.

I much prefer to judge a man upon his travel...not the labels of a tar and bucket brigade looking for vindication for not having another Champion up and set in their respective laps. What has that fan done in the mean time?

When one boils this one down...what has he sacrificed beyond a mental decision to claim that particular team as HIS OWN. When viewed in light of support and sportsmanship, that is a great and positive attribute. But as is now, it merely is an excuse to ridicule and insult a prime contributor to that very organization...then it falls way short of target. More exactly, erects a false target never meriting the disdain insultingly hurled.

Excuse me if I'm not impressed by one's right to be hypocritical in stance or insulting in demeaner. It all boils down to the point that a fan quits being that when he takes resentment for successes at the top level, in a similar manner that sent the Oilers out of Houston and left them without a team until the Texans returned for financial reasons.

The Cowboys could have gone the route of the Oilers, Cleveland, Colts, and Rams if Jerry had not saved that team and established a firm franchise IN DALLAS. He did that on the organizational as well as player levels involved. That involved the dual hat of both the owner and GM. But, that additionally had to transition through and from the hard times as well. Things are really, pretty tough to establish repeats in today's NFL today. If a fan greedily and vainly judges all to a period that gave birth to a dynasty, that is the short sightedness of that fan...not a black mark against Jerry.

With everything magnified and in Soap Opera version about a single team, that reflects both upon the media and some of the fans buying into that pot stirrings by that same media. Hey, in Soap Operas, that is a marriage made in heaven...as the base and insultive nature is watered fully.

In the real world of the NFL...well, that's another truth. Here, despite failures along the way, that same Jerry Jones can hold his head high. As those who report the actual events already give credence for his niche and contributions to both Dallas, and the NFL. The game presented at the Dallas Stadium had problems, but it was a grand affair and received by a huge audience....positively. That is the image that this fan retains, concerning that same Jerry Jones.


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:cry3: :cry2: :crawl: :mule: :pee: :duck:








:popcorn:

Seven;3838299 said:
:lmao: ....................:lmao: :lmao2:

Try putting into words some of your immaturities....




:laugh2: :lmao: :bow: :lmao2:
 
dfense;3837697 said:
I find it hilarious how many posts you can scan and whatever the negative subject is there's someone blaming Jerry for it.

I'm not a big Jerry fan, but I can see what he brings to the team.

Cowboy fans have always cracked me up. Having an owner who cares as much as Jerry is somehow a negative. The guy never quits trying every angle to better his team. How many owners really do that?

It seems at times things Jerry does don't work out, in hindsight everyone thought they were great at one time. But alot of things do work out and he never gets any positive credit. Only negative.

I live up by Buffalo and the owner gets 100% of everything. Parking, concessions, everything goes right in his pocket. He had the blackout rule extended from 60 miles to 90 because smaller city's like Rochester is just over 60 miles.

He gets a stadium basically for free and does nothing but pocket money. The Bills fans I know see no hope or future in the franchise because when Ralph Wilson (in his 90's) dies his kids will sell off the team and it will probably move away.

Be careful what you wish for.

What about the getting out of football operations angle? Wish he'd try that one.
 
RS12;3838402 said:
What about the getting out of football operations angle? Wish he'd try that one.

and most fans wish people would quit asking for this.

seems none of us will get what we want.
 
so in other words....

one totally inept owner makes a quasi inept owner (and pathetic GM) seem like a football god.

rotflmao

dfense;3837697 said:
I find it hilarious how many posts you can scan and whatever the negative subject is there's someone blaming Jerry for it.

I'm not a big Jerry fan, but I can see what he brings to the team.

Cowboy fans have always cracked me up. Having an owner who cares as much as Jerry is somehow a negative. The guy never quits trying every angle to better his team. How many owners really do that?

It seems at times things Jerry does don't work out, in hindsight everyone thought they were great at one time. But alot of things do work out and he never gets any positive credit. Only negative.

I live up by Buffalo and the owner gets 100% of everything. Parking, concessions, everything goes right in his pocket. He had the blackout rule extended from 60 miles to 90 because smaller city's like Rochester is just over 60 miles.

He gets a stadium basically for free and does nothing but pocket money. The Bills fans I know see no hope or future in the franchise because when Ralph Wilson (in his 90's) dies his kids will sell off the team and it will probably move away.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
I actually saw a fan blame Jerry for Flo starting at LT because Flo is deaf in his right ear.
 
CCBoy;3838335 said:
:cry3: :cry2: :crawl: :mule: :pee: :duck:








:popcorn:



Try putting into words some of your immaturities....




:laugh2: :lmao: :bow: :lmao2:

You've already done that.............I could NEVER top you. Thanks!
 
RS12;3838402 said:
What about the getting out of football operations angle? Wish he'd try that one.

Maybe you wouldn't if you really understood what that meant for Jones.
 
If someone knows something already, is it necessary for him or her to constantly remind themselves what they already know?

And

If that someone knows what they know and proceeds to tell everyone else what they already know, doesn't everyone else now know what they have known all along?

And

If everyone concerned now knows everything there is to know, what more must be said?

So

If someone knows that Jerry Jones has a hokie persona, goofs up player acquisition, has a death grip on the front office, etc., etc.

Then

That someone tells everyone else (like the membership of a discussion board) that Jerry Jones has a hokie persona, goofs up player acquisitions, has a death grip on the front office, etc., etc.

Thus

Now everyone knows that particular someone has told them that Jerry Jones has a hokie persona, goofs up player acquisitions, has a death grip on the front office., etc., etc.

Question

Does the principal of redundancy ever apply for any individual re-telling the exact same thing repeatedly?
 
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