BE HONEST NOW: Who would you rather have at out-side linebacker?

[ABQCOWBOY]

So Arrington's lone cap-feather gives him the nod over three players who haven't even had the opportunity? Talk about skewed logic.




They're the exact same size, and Carp is plenty athletic.



Larry Allen / Marco Rivera over Davin Joseph? Flozell over Ferguson? Michael Vick over Leinart?

If Allen and Rivera were younger, I would probably say yes. At some point, longevity has to weigh in. I would not take Flozell over Ferguson because I believe that Ferguson is a generational player. I don't believe that Lawson, Carpenter or Wimbly are. but lest say you substitute Ferguson for say Justice, then yeah, Adams. I would probably take Vick over Leinart. I don't love Vick but I like him over Leinart at this stage.

 

[superpunk]

If Allen and Rivera were younger, I would probably say yes. At some point, longevity has to weigh in.

At what point does being injury-prone and having two of the league's best DC's reject you weigh in?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

At what point does being injury-prone and having two of the league's best DC's reject you weigh in?

Sounds like a question you should be asking of the Giants to me.

Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Sinister]

So Arrington's lone cap-feather gives him the nod over three players who haven't even had the opportunity? Talk about skewed logic.

Yes, what's skewed?

I have seen Arrington dominate I have yet to see any of the rookies play a single NFL down.

They're the exact same size, and Carp is plenty athletic.

I think Arrington is a little bigger and I never said Carp wasn't athletic.

Larry Allen / Marco Rivera over Davin Joseph? Flozell over Ferguson? Michael Vick over Leinart?

I could sit here all day and give you examples of draft busts.

 

[superpunk]

Sounds like a question you should be asking of the Giants to me.

Wouldn't you agree?

I agree that I have no idea what that question means, LOL.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree that I have no idea what that question means, LOL.

How can I follow that?

Best just to leave it alone I suppose.

 

[Alexander]

No Alexander. Go back and review the post. I said all thing even. If you missed that, that's on you. I would agree with your statement of incredible though. You fill in the blanks.

You said all things even, with no cap. Did we not have cap room? Once again, you are going on your gut, despite evidence flying over your head and in some cases, bouncing right off of it.

I believe we would consider any Vet player with ability over any Rookie. That is not a stretch and it is not unique to Arrington.

But we are talking Arrington, that player. The Poston client. The undisciplined player.

If you are simply saying we would go with a veteran over a rookie, so be it. But even that all depends. And in an imaginary playworld with no cap, I am sure we would love to add a veteran. But I don't think it would be anything close to Arrington, who is pretty much the opposite of what we would look for in a strongside linebacker.

 

[superpunk]

Yes, what's skewed?

I have seen Arrington dominate I have yest to see any of the rookies play a single NFL down.

Obviously. They're rookies. But just because Arrington has played, doesn't mean he's better than these rookies, or is a better fit for us.

I think Arrington is a little bigger

You're wrong. they're both 6-3, 255.

I could sit here all day and give you examples of draft busts.

And I could sit here all day and name guys who made a pro-bowl years ago who aren't worth their salt anymore. Arrington falls under that category, IMO.

 

[superpunk]

How can I follow that?

Best just to leave it alone I suppose.

It might just be that I'm reading it wrong - but honestly, that question makes no sense to me, I can't make heads or tails of what you're asking me.

 

[Alexander]

I have seen Arrington dominate I have yest to see any of the rookies play a single NFL down.

We should have just let free agency rule, because the Cowboys should have seen "domination" from Arrington and we didn't need to bother with silly little rookies.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You said all things even, with no cap. Did we not have cap room? Once again, you are going on your gut, despite evidence flying over your head and in some cases, bouncing right off of it.



But we are talking Arrington, that player. The Poston client. The undisciplined player.

If you are simply saying we would go with a veteran over a rookie, so be it. But even that all depends. And in an imaginary playworld with no cap, I am sure we would love to add a veteran. But I don't think it would be anything close to Arrington, who is pretty much the opposite of what we would look for in a strongside linebacker.

Alex, your jerking your self here. The point is none existant. I do not agree with you and you, I. It is beyond the point of stupidity. I do not wish to indulge in a pointless conversation.

I do not agree with you. No amount of twisting words will change that. It is best to agree that we don't agree. Do you understand?

 

[Alexander]

Larry Allen / Marco Rivera over Davin Joseph? Flozell over Ferguson? Michael Vick over Leinart?

They are "proven" veterans. So that trumps all.

 

[Sinister]

yes, Ware was ready last year, and he had to make the transition from small-school DE to OLB, Carp was an OLB in college making the transition to OLB in the pros, they do it all the time with great success



I'll give you LaVar is more athletic that Carp, but Carp is 255, and I've seen maybe 2 games where LaVar has taken them over



well fortunately, the learning curve for rookie LBs isn't that great, look at all the rookie LBs that have done well, esp. 1st round/2nd round ones

I'm not questioning whether Carp can get it done in the NFL. I'm questioning whether at this point is Carp a better player than Arrington and right now I have to say No. Will he be a better player I sure hope so.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm not questioning whether Carp can get it done in the NFL. I'm questioning whether at this point is Carp a better player than Arrington and right now I have to say No. Will he be a better player I sure hope so.

This I agree with completely. It is the way I see it as well.

 

[Alexander]

Alex, your jerking your self here. The point is none existant. I do not agree with you and you, I. It is beyond the point of stupidity. I do not wish to indulge in a pointless conversation.

I do not agree with you. No amount of twisting words will change that. It is best to agree that we don't agree. Do you understand?

Oh, I fully understand. First, nobody is twisting any words here. You started on the Arrington tangent and once that proved fruitless you want to backtrack. It was your own circular logic that got us here. I guess it is all in good fun until someone puts an eye out.

No worries, I think I proved my point. And you stated you basically didn't have one beyond gut feeling and disagreed with mine.

No harm, no foul.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm not questioning whether Carp can get it done in the NFL. I'm questioning whether at this point is Carp a better player than Arrington and right now I have to say No. Will he be a better player I sure hope so.

I'm not saying Carp is a better player, I don't think super and Alexander are either, it's Arrington isn't the player we want, or need on D, we want people who play within the system, Ware is the star, he's the building block, we dont' need another one, we just need one who compliments him very well, and plays within the system, that isn't LaVar, LaVar isn't a strongside OLB, he's a weakside, freelancing LB

 

[Alexander]

I'm not saying Carp is a better player, I don't think super and Alexander are either, it's Arrington isn't the player we want, or need on D, we want people who play within the system, Ware is the star, he's the building block, we dont' need another one, we just need one who compliments him very well, and plays within the system, that isn't LaVar, LaVar isn't a strongside OLB, he's a weakside, freelancing LB

Bravo, Summer.

 

[superpunk]

I'm not questioning whether Carp can get it done in the NFL. I'm questioning whether at this point is Carp a better player than Arrington and right now I have to say No. Will he be a better player I sure hope so.

So you vote for the Commanders way of signing name FAs, because they're proven? Never mind the fact that sometimes they've "proven" that they're inconsistent, have bad attitudes, or are injury prone? Should we just forego the draft? Because I guarantee I could have found 32 free agents who are better "right now" than the top 32 picks in the draft.

 

[Alexander]

So you vote for the Commanders way of signing name FAs

I was going to say this, but I didn't want to fight dirty.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Oh, I fully understand. First, nobody is twisting any words here. You started on the Arrington tangent and once that proved fruitless you want to backtrack. It was your own circular logic that got us here. I guess it is all in good fun until someone puts an eye out.

No worries, I think I proved my point. And you stated you basically didn't have one beyond gut feeling and disagreed with mine.

No harm, no foul.

If it pleases you to feel as such, I am OK with it.

In summation, I don't agree, you don't agree.

The season is coming and we will see if all you claim is truth or just fowl.