Because I'm Really That Bold/Insane

[Irvin88_4life]

I'll ask again.
What evidence do you have that Garrett knows how to win?

12-4 team when our best players are healthy.

1-1 in the playoffs.

He doesn't have a losing record overall, while it's not great Garrett has more wins then losses......just saying

 

[Sydla]

evidence ?my god man, have you ever made your way sizing up and making judgements based on what you see in a man or animal.
If you run your life on evidence thats fine you'll get there but you wont get there first

Well, typically, evidence is a pretty good thing to have if you want to prove a point of view. Certainly much better than random beliefs.

To date, Garrett has shown little that would lead one to conclude that he knows how to win. The reality is that he is likely a middle of the road NFL coach. I suspect if you polled 100 NFL writers, GMs, etc.......... and asked them to list the Top 10 coaches right now in the NFL, Garrett wouldn't be one of them.

Hopefully he proves them wrong this season.

 

[waving monkey]

Well, typically, evidence is a pretty good thing to have if you want to prove a point of view. Certainly much better than random beliefs.

To date, Garrett has shown little that would lead one to conclude that he knows how to win. The reality is that he is likely a middle of the road NFL coach. I suspect if you polled 100 NFL writers, GMs, etc.......... and asked them to list the Top 10-12 coaches right now in the NFL, Garrett wouldn't be one of them.

Hopefully he proves them wrong this season.

Evidence is a good thing to have never said it wasn't. I also agree that Garrett as yet isnt a top ten coach, no problem there but...
His going to be. Evidence can kiss my back side.

Your last sentence is the bell ringer. maybe not the SB but we'll be in the tourney

 

[Sydla]

Evidence is a good thing to have never said it wasn't. I also agree that Garrett as yet isnt a top ten coach, no problem there but...
His going to be. Evidence can kiss my back side.

Your last sentence is the bell ringer. maybe not the SB but we'll be in the tourney

If we aren't in the tourney, especially with this division, then that's going to be pretty damning of Garrett IMO (well of course, barring any major injuries again).

He's the senior coach in the NFC East now. He's got two rookie head coaches in Philly and NY. If he can't win the division this year, even with this defense, there's a problem IMO.

 

[Sydla]

I wait with bated breath on his comparison of this defense to the 1990s defenses.

 

[jazzcat22]

Well offensively they are comparable, but you will need alot more beer to compare the defenses.

Our only hope is some unknowns make a major impact on D.

Some may think need a lot more beer to WATCH the defense.........

 

[jazzcat22]

Must have been all those break even seasons that put it over the top.

Or maybe it was the 12-4 season, that was derailed by injuries in 2015...oh, those 8-8 and one game away from the division seasons...derailed by injuries also. It's not a total excuse, but it did play a huge part.

 

[jazzcat22]

The two team are not even comparable. The 90's teams knew how to win. Romo's teams get shell shocked when he is not in the lineup and play totally flat.

That 90's team had to learn how to win before knowing how to win later. After Emmitt came in, it still took them 3 years. This team learned how to win in 2014, but lost their 3 leaders in 2015.
People need to get over the myth that the 90's teams did not win instantly. Jimmy was so magical as the myth has become to win right away. And he had some help at that, aided by no salary cap and a butt load of draft picks handed to him.

 

[viman96]

I watched every game from the 90's and every game of Romo's career. And many games prior to both eras

Until this current team can prove they can win and maintain that drive to excel without Romo, they are not even comparable. That is offense, defense, special teams and coaching. They need to play to WIN and not keep it close hopping or expecting the other team to make a mistake in the 4th quarter.

 

[jazzcat22]

I watched every game from the 90's and every game of Romo's career. And many games prior to both eras

Until this current team can prove they can win and maintain that drive to excel without Romo, they are not even comparable. That is offense, defense, special teams and coaching. They need to play to WIN and not keep it close hopping or expecting the other team to make a mistake in the 4th quarter.

Yes, when compared that way, can't disagree. I absolutely hated Parcels and his close to the vest BS...it lost games. The 90's, got a lead and did not let up. Yes, the went into ball control, eat up the clock, but when the game was fairly well in hand. And it worked well.
The only game I recall in recent memory under Wade or Jason was the Colts game in 2014, they took the lead and kept on going. I am sure there are a few other games. But they do play far to conservative than they should. Or so it seems. As we are spectator's and not an integral part of what is going on during the games.

 

[waving monkey]

If we aren't in the tourney, especially with this division, then that's going to be pretty damning of Garrett IMO (well of course, barring any major injuries again).

He's the senior coach in the NFC East now. He's got two rookie head coaches in Philly and NY. If he can't win the division this year, even with this defense, there's a problem IMO.

I sort of buy that too and it maybe too early to put pressure on Dak but ....well I'll wait on that .
Here's really what I think about Red, His got it but its taking him too long and he needs to start winning in the play offs.
He is doing it right with the right coordinators. His job is secure at least till his contract is finished.He'll pick right back up where he left of in 14

 

[Zman5]

implying Garrett doesn't know how to win is going to make you look foolish
I'm really loving this idiocy cause its going bite you in the butt and soon
Oh and dont come with the" I was wrong" after the fact too late

What is JG's record as a HC and what was Jimmy's record while he was here? And how many championships did each win as a HC? Who's looking foolish now.

 

[Zman5]

Heck Barry Switzer knew how to win with that team too. Id go out on a limb and say even our coach in training Jason Garrett could get a superbowl out of that team. Jimmy didnt win anything in Miami. Make no mistake I loved Jimmy but he was cooking with all the right ingredients.

Besided the obvious DEFENSE the 90s team had, I have to point out Aikman, Irvin, and Smith all seemed to have an other wordly instinct to win, ala Jordan. Big players making big plays in big games.

What's your point? What does Switzer has anything to do with what I said about Jimmy Johnson? Jimmy took a team that was one of the worse team in the NFL and turn it around to be a SB champs in 3 years. What has JG done in 6 seasons? 1 winning season with 1 playoff win.

 

[Sydla]

I have to say I am a bit entertained to see someone try to compare this current version of the Cowboys to those SB teams in the 90s that some consider some of the most underrated SB teams of all time.

 

[waving monkey]

What is JG's record as a HC and what was Jimmy's record while he was here? And how many championships did each win as a HC? Who's looking foolish now.

This year and going forward answers our dispute

 

[Soth]

I wait with bated breath on his comparison of this defense to the 1990s defenses.

Leon Lett
Charles Haley
Ken Norton Jr
Deion
Darren Woodson
Tony Tolbert
Russell Maryland
James Washington
Kevin Smith

vs

Tyrone Crawford
Brandon Carr
Scandrick
Wilcox
Byron Jones
Sean Lee
Demarcus Lawrence
David Irving
Cedric Thornton

lol

One sad thing I just remembered is that none of those defensive players from the 90s are in the hall of fame. Except for Deion and Haley. That defense was insane. They were able to handle the niners with Rice and Steve Young and the Bills with Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed.

 

[Zman5]

This year and going forward answers our dispute

We could also go 4-12 again too. Stop embarrassing yourself with this non-sense .

 

[Sydla]

This year and going forward answers our dispute

Maybe but it's kind of unfair to just pretend the first 5 full years in Dallas for Garrett didn't exist. It's definitely bizarre to just randomly pick now as the starting point to judge Garrett. Why not next year as the starting point? Or how about two years from now?

Ignoring the first five is simply trying to stack the deck in your favor in this debate.

 

[Blackspider214]

A Defense and a HC who knew how to win.

Exactly. Jimmy Johnson is light years ahead of Garrett. I have zero faith this incompetent staff will put Dak in a position to win. Front office as well. They never gave Romo a legit chance to have a lot of success.

 

[Stash]

This year and going forward answers our dispute

So you've got nothing. You want to rush to Garrett's defense, but every time you're asked to provide facts to support it, you resort to a diversion attempt.

Typical.

The facts are that the criticisms and disappointments are valid. The only thing the defenders can point to is one season out of five that had positive results. The rest were 8-8 mediocrity that ended with failure and disappointments, and a 4-12 debacle.

So the critics have four seasons to support their positions, while the defenders have one season.

I know which side of the ledger looks stronger.