Because I'm Really That Bold/Insane

[waving monkey]

We could also go 4-12 again too. Stop embarrassing yourself with this non-sense .

You can judge my position as you like I could give a rats butt. This team is headed up and if you can't see that your limitation
no embarrassment of mine.

 

[Satchel89]

I was going to disagree about Terrance being better then Harper but his stats in 3 years are pretty close to Harper's from 92-94 before he went to Tampa Bay. Even though Terrance isn't considered super fast, He does have a knack for making big plays. I was just a huge fan of Harper. In 1994 he had 33 catches for 821 yards and 8 touchdowns. 24.9 yards a catch. That's incredible. 2 catches a game but he was making them count. I went a little off-track there but couldn't help it.

 

[waving monkey]

Maybe but it's kind of unfair to just pretend the first 5 full years in Dallas for Garrett didn't exist. It's definitely bizarre to just randomly pick now as the starting point to judge Garrett. Why not next year as the starting point? Or how about two years from now?

Ignoring the first five is simply trying to stack the deck in your favor in this debate.

If you'll go back and reread my last reply to you I admitted he has taken too long.
It's pissed fans off that he got OJT and the in game mistakes have been glaring.

My stance is the wins are coming.His doing it the right way.
Players play for him and his coaches. It's really a young team
they'll grow and we really lucked out with Dak. IMO. Thats a big big thing.

 

[Zman5]

You can judge my position as you like I could give a rats butt. This team is headed up and if you can't see that your limitation
no embarrassment of mine.

What this team might turn out to be in the future doesn't change the fact that JG has been a mediocre HC so far.

 

[Stash]

Maybe but it's kind of unfair to just pretend the first 5 full years in Dallas for Garrett didn't exist. It's definitely bizarre to just randomly pick now as the starting point to judge Garrett. Why not next year as the starting point? Or how about two years from now?

Ignoring the first five is simply trying to stack the deck in your favor in this debate.

It's a sad attempt from someone who's got nothing to bring to the subject.

 

[Stash]

You can judge my position as you like I could give a rats butt. This team is headed up and if you can't see that your limitation
no embarrassment of mine.

You're your own embarrassment.

 

[waving monkey]

What this team might turn out to be in the future doesn't change the fact that JG has been a mediocre HC so far.

Then we're arguing slightly different angles. This team is almost put together and we'll be in the play offs this year.
Red has been a mediocre coach while in OJT but his arrow is pointed up. His figuring it out. He is a winner.

 

[plasticman]

A Defense and a HC who knew how to win.

And yet, suffered the worst losing season in Cowboy history since their debut year of 1960.

In fact, he had back to back losing seasons to start his NFL career.

We all have the advantage of knowing how things turned out. LoL, few were singing his praises until1991.

As I said, that team wasnt good until they were good. Defense was ranked in lower half for first three years.

 

[Idgit]

The comparison of the offenses is actually a pretty good one. Pretty clearly we went about building off of the 1990's template.

The defense, as has been pointed out, is where it falls apart. Fortunately, we're not talking about rebuilding a dynasty with this squad. We're talking about being good enough to compete in the NFC, which isn't the same hurdle these days as it was in the 1990s.

As far as the coach comparisons go, Jason is not Jimmy. Few coaches are. 2016 is also not 1990. We've got a salary cap and we're building the team inside that structure and without an enormous bounty of picks that gives us room to make mistakes and still assemble a very deep roster. We can all see that, right? The league is not the same as it was 25 years ago.

Assemble the defensive talent, and we'll be talking about much better our coaching has suddenly gotten again. The exact same way we're marveling at how good the play calling is when a backup QB makes the right read and places the ball exactly where it needs to be.

 

[Sydla]

And yet, suffered the worst losing season in Cowboy history since their debut year of 1960.

In fact, he had back to back losing seasons to start his NFL career.

We all have the advantage of knowing how things turned out. LoL, few were singing his praises until1991.

As I said, that team wasnt good until they were good. Defense was ranked in lower half for first three years.

LOL. This such selective thinking.

Johnson went 1-15 in his first year because the team was largely terrible that he inherited from Landry. He stripped it down and started the rebuild. Year Two, they improved immensely and won 7 games. Year Three, they won 11 games and made the divisional round of the playoffs. Year 4, they won the SB. How can one not see that trend and then turn around and try to apply it to what Garrett has done thus far?

Further, they didn't get good because they matured as a team. They got good because they added a ton of talent to the defense. Far more talent than exists on this current Cowboys team.

 

[Hardline]

you dont get it I cant help you

You can't help me because you cannot prove Jason Garrett knows how to win. While I can prove he can't.

 

[waving monkey]

You can't help me because you cannot prove Jason Garrett knows how to win. While I can prove he can't.

we'll see Hardline, we disagree but thats football

 

[jazzcat22]

You can't help me because you cannot prove Jason Garrett knows how to win. While I can prove he can't.

Garret is 45-42 and 1-1 in the playoffs....by the math I learned in school, he is more of a winner than a loser.
So where is your proof he is a loser?

 

[xvendettax914]

Really is about defense. That's the biggest difference. And you don't have to use 90s teams to see that.

 

[Zman5]

Then we're arguing slightly different angles. This team is almost put together and we'll be in the play offs this year.
Red has been a mediocre coach while in OJT but his arrow is pointed up. His figuring it out. He is a winner.

He MAY BECOME a winner but to me 46-44 is definition of mediocre. If you feel 45-43 is being a winner then go for it.

 

[CWR]

What's your point? What does Switzer has anything to do with what I said about Jimmy Johnson? Jimmy took a team that was one of the worse team in the NFL and turn it around to be a SB champs in 3 years. What has JG done in 6 seasons? 1 winning season with 1 playoff win.

My point is you give Garret an equitable defense and I think he wins it too. Wasnt trying to say Garret is a better coach or anything of the like. Only that talent wins games.

 

[Zman5]

And yet, suffered the worst losing season in Cowboy history since their debut year of 1960.

In fact, he had back to back losing seasons to start his NFL career.

We all have the advantage of knowing how things turned out. LoL, few were singing his praises until1991.

As I said, that team wasnt good until they were good. Defense was ranked in lower half for first three years.

How convenient for you to not mention Jimmy was the only 6 coaches in the NFL history to win back to back SBs. If JG did anything close to that in 4 years, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Hardline]

Garret is 45-42 and 1-1 in the playoffs....by the math I learned in school, he is more of a winner than a loser.
So where is your proof he is a loser?

My proof that he is a loser is his record and accomplishments . Garrett is not a top tier coach and should not be coaching the Dallas Cowboys .We get mediocrity because we accept it.

 

[waving monkey]

He MAY BECOME a winner but to me 46-44 is definition of mediocre. If you feel 45-43 is being a winner then go for it.

again I think were not exactly on the same point. It doesn't matter b.
I'm projecting and your counting the eggs the chicken has layed.
It's different type of people and how they view the world.

 

[Zman5]

My point is you give Garret an equitable defense and I think he wins it too. Wasnt trying to say Garret is a better coach or anything of the like. Only that talent wins games.

If only the talent wins games and coaching didn't matter, how did Parcells went to the playoffs his first year with Campo's 5-11 teams?