Because I'm Really That Bold/Insane

[waving monkey]

He MAY BECOME a winner but to me 46-44 is definition of mediocre. If you feel 45-43 is being a winner then go for it.

again I think were not exactly on the same point. It doesn't matter b.
I'm projecting and your counting the eggs the chicken has layed.
It's different type of people and how they view the world.

 

[Zman5]

again I think were not exactly on the same point. It doesn't matter b.
I'm projecting and your counting the eggs the chicken has layed.
It's different type of people and how they view the world.

As I said, it's pointless talk about what this team could be as if it's a fact like you are trying to do. They could win the SB or they could also go 0-16 this year.

 

[jazzcat22]

As I said, it's pointless talk about what this team could be as if it's a fact like you are trying to do. They could win the SB or they could also go 0-16 this year.

My best guess is somewhere in between.

But more close to a SB than 0-16. If they repeat the 2014 performance, which I think was possible last year except for Romo and Dez not there.

 

[percyhoward]

As I said, that team wasn't good until they were good.

 

[xwalker]

QB

Offensive line

90's team versus this seasonI?

Erik Williams vs Tyron Smith
Stepnoski vs Fredericks?
Martin vs Newton?

I'll take the current interior 3 of Martin, Collins and Frederick over the nineties interior; however:

Erik Williams + Tuinei >>>>>>>>> Doug Free + Tyron Smith

No amount of greatness by Tyron Smith can offset Doug Free in this equation.

Bottom line, what did the 90's offense have that this team doesn't?

Charles Haley
Darren Woodson
CB Kevin Smith 1st two Super Bowls and Deion for the 3rd one.

 

[Zman5]

My best guess is somewhere in between.

But more close to a SB than 0-16. If they repeat the 2014 performance, which I think was possible last year except for Romo and Dez not there.

No doubt the team looks to be in better shape. Especially with the way Dak's been playing.

 

[plasticman]

Jason Garrett doesnt know how to win?

He is 45-43. He is an NFL Head Coach with a winning record.

At the very least, he doesnt know how to lose.
It took devastating injuries to his starting quarterback, an injury plagued season to his starting WR and the loss of the previous season's leading rusher to experience his first ever losing season in 5 years.

By the way, when Jimmy Johnson knew how to win there was always this redhead backup quarterback with a clipboard standing right next to him. Do you suppose he might have been paying some attention to how Jimmy knew how to win?

 

[BigStar]

Leon Lett
Charles Haley
Ken Norton Jr
Deion
Darren Woodson (more so the last one)
Tony Tolbert
Russell Maryland
James Washington
Kevin Smith

vs

Tyrone Crawford
Brandon Carr
Scandrick
Wilcox
Byron Jones
Sean Lee
Demarcus Lawrence
David Irving
Cedric Thornton



lol

One sad thing I just remembered is that none of those defensive players from the 90s are in the hall of fame. Except for Deion and Haley. That defense was insane. They were able to handle the niners with Rice and Steve Young and the Bills with Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed.

The team was stacked on D; esp bolded outside of Deion/Haley. Lee is the only player on the current D that they wouldn't laugh off the field.

 

[jazzcat22]

No doubt the team looks to be in better shape. Especially with the way Dak's been playing.

Dak was good for a lot of high blood pressures going into TC....

 

[CWR]

If only the talent wins games and coaching didn't matter, how did Parcells went to the playoffs his first year with Campo's 5-11 teams?

Never meant ONLY players wins championships. But talent on the field is paramount. There arent any Herschel Walker deals left....Of course coaching matters but we were so talented in the 90s we didnt need Belicheck to win a superbowl.

 

[Zman5]

Never meant ONLY coaching wins championships. But talent on the field is paramount. There arent any Herschel Walker deals left....Of course coaching matters but we were so talented in the 90s we didnt need Belicheck to win a superbowl.

Yes both matters to having a winning team. But as Parcells has shown us, you can make chicken salad out of chicken poop if you know what you are doing. With parity in the NFL, good coaching is more important now than it was in the 90s. It's going to be hard to impossible to assemble a team like we had in the 90s now.

 

[Sydla]

By the way, when Jimmy Johnson knew how to win there was always this redhead backup quarterback with a clipboard standing right next to him. Do you suppose he might have been paying some attention to how Jimmy knew how to win?

Geezus.

 

[plasticman]

The team was stacked on D; esp bolded outside of Deion/Haley. Lee is the only player on the current D that they wouldn't laugh off the field.

Ken Norton took 5 seasons to develop into a Pro Bowler.

Leon Lett was a backup until his 4th season and never had more than 4 sacks in a single season.

The Cowboys already had two championships before Deion ever showed up.

Woodsen came in 1992 and was a special teamer that year. The Cowboys were firmly established by the time he was a contributing starter.

Tony Tolbert, a 4th round pick in 1989, didnt start until his 3rd season, didnt make the Pro Bowl until his 8th season.

You and others are comparing entire careers to rookies or guys with 1 to 3 years of experience. Those guys from the 90's did nothing in their first couple years that the current guys havent done.

The defense from the 90's wasnt about superstars or elite players. It was about a system that utilized an array of contributors.

The current team has similar acquisitions, a half dozen D-linemen drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, a secondary composed of 1 st round picks and valuable veteran contributors, linebackers drafted high and low, a few with the potential to be All Pros.

Posting creates a record of your opinions. They can always resurface to remind everyone of where you really stood before the games made it reality and a matter of record.

Im confortable with my opinions.....lets revisit in another 5 to 6 weeks.

 

[plasticman]

Geezus.

Please. Im not quite ready to be deified as a son of god.

 

[jazzcat22]

Ken Norton took 5 seasons to develop into a Pro Bowler.

Leon Lett was a backup until his 4th season and never had more than 4 sacks in a single season.

The Cowboys already had two championships before Deion ever showed up.

Woodsen came in 1992 and was a special teamer that year. The Cowboys were firmly established by the time he was a contributing starter.

Tony Tolbert, a 4th round pick in 1989, didnt start until his 3rd season, didnt make the Pro Bowl until his 8th season.

You and others are comparing entire careers to rookies or guys with 1 to 3 years of experience. Those guys from the 90's did nothing in their first couple years that the current guys havent done.

The defense from the 90's wasnt about superstars or elite players. It was about a system that utilized an array of contributors.

The current team has similar acquisitions, a half dozen D-linemen drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, a secondary composed of 1 st round picks and valuable veteran contributors, linebackers drafted high and low, a few with the potential to be All Pros.

Posting creates a record of your opinions. They can always resurface to remind everyone of where you really stood before the games made it reality and a matter of record.

Im confortable with my opinions.....lets revisit in another 5 to 6 weeks.

Good post.
Also the OL wasn't considered great until Emmitt came along, and the winning started.

I don't want to take anything away from those teams and their accomplishments, but people want to act as if they were all pro bowlers from the start. Just like now, the FO sucks because we don't have 53 pro bowlers now.
Myth and legends grow bigger as time passes by. Next thing you know, people will want a Jimmy Statue not just by the Tom statue at the stadium, but some will want it replaced.

 

[Sydla]

Good post.
Also the OL wasn't considered great until Emmitt came along, and the winning started.

I don't want to take anything away from those teams and their accomplishments, but people want to act as if they were all pro bowlers from the start. Just like now, the FO sucks because we don't have 53 pro bowlers now.
Myth and legends grow bigger as time passes by. Next thing you know, people will want a Jimmy Statue not just by the Tom statue at the stadium, but some will want it replaced.

Please, please don't join plasticman in that rabbit hole.

There is no comparison between those 90s defenses and this one we will see trotted out in 3 weeks. There was more talent and depth at every level of those 90s defenses than this one.

If people want to compare offenses, I think that's a fair and worthwhile discussion. But to compare defenses with the basis of that comparison, "Well they only got good when they got good" is an insult to not only those 90s teams but to many fans here.

Those 90s defenses were built with far more high level talent than this one. Now one can argue it was easier back then with no cap and all the picks we had. That's true. But to try to argue that this unit is built in the same manner as those is, frankly, a tad bit on the crazy side.

 

[jazzcat22]

Please, please don't join plasticman in that rabbit hole.

There is no comparison between those 90s defenses and this one we will see trotted out in 3 weeks.

By no means are comparing them. No way this defense is even close as to any accomplishments.
Was just stating he made a point on how the comparisons come about. Don't compare 10 years worth of defensive winning teams with SB wins in hindsight. To players in the infancy of their careers on a team that is building still. Those players took a good 2 to 4 years to be productive in the right situation. They were all young and learning. These current players may be in the same situation. So people should be so fast to ridicule. They think they know talent, but do they.

Things were said back in the 90's as the same are being said today....I remember people saying the same things or similar thoughts about Tolbert that are said about all of our current DE's.
Ken Norton Jr, broke his thumb his 1st year, was on IR all season. People were saying in his 2nd year, was he a wasted draft pick, can he learn to play, etc., ....And this was before all the internet GM's came about.
Tony Casillas, people said he was a bust, why is Jimmy bringing him in. They said Chad Hennings was a gamble and wasted pick, he has an Air Force commitment, why keep him...then they wanted him traded when he was released from his ** commitment....
There was something wrong with about evey player that was brought in.
Jay Novacek and Rob Awalt, as we needed TE's...oh, they were with the Cardinals and have back issues, they suck, what are they doing....
I could just imagine if this board was open back then.

 

[Zman5]

Jason Garrett doesnt know how to win?

He is 45-43. He is an NFL Head Coach with a winning record.

At the very least, he doesnt know how to lose.
It took devastating injuries to his starting quarterback, an injury plagued season to his starting WR and the loss of the previous season's leading rusher to experience his first ever losing season in 5 years.

By the way, when Jimmy Johnson knew how to win there was always this redhead backup quarterback with a clipboard standing right next to him. Do you suppose he might have been paying some attention to how Jimmy knew how to win?

You still drinking while posting this?

 

[Sydla]

Where was this groundswell that claimed Casillas was a bust? He was the leading tackler amongst all Falcon DL in their history. The Cowboys got him because he got into a squabble with the front office over his contract in 1990. After that, he told the Falcons he was going to retire prior to the 1991 season and the Falcons knew they had to trade him. So let's not act like he was a washed up bum when we got him. He was only in his late 20s when we acquired him and was a former 2nd overall pick in the draft in 1986.

It's pretty simple. Those 90s defenses had more invested in them than this one. More higher draft picks, more significant and proven additions from other teams, etc.

 

[xwalker]

.....

Ken Norton took 5 seasons to develop into a Pro Bowler.
He made the Pro Bowl in 1993 and was 2nd team All-Pro that year. That means he was a very good player the prior year (i.e. He was a terrific player during the 1st two nineties Super Bowl wins).

Leon Lett was a backup until his 4th season and never had more than 4 sacks in a single season.
Jimmy used a DL rotation. Lett was a factor when he played.

The Cowboys already had two championships before Deion ever showed up.
They had Kevin Smith for the 1st two Super Bowls and then Deion for the 3rd one.

Woodsen came in 1992 and was a special teamer that year. The Cowboys were firmly established by the time he was a contributing starter.
He was a starter for the 2nd and 3rd SB of the nineties and a significant contributor for the 1st one.

Tony Tolbert, a 4th round pick in 1989, didnt start until his 3rd season, didnt make the Pro Bowl until his 8th season.
They played a DL scheme similar to Marinelli's and Tolbert was the Left DE. It's surprising that he ever made the Pro Bowl as a Left DE because that position not the glamour DE position in that style of defense.

You and others are comparing entire careers to rookies or guys with 1 to 3 years of experience. Those guys from the 90's did nothing in their first couple years that the current guys havent done.
Maybe.

The defense from the 90's wasnt about superstars or elite players. It was about a system that utilized an array of contributors.
Agree. Haley and later Deion were superstars and Woodson was an elite Safety even in 93.

The current team has similar acquisitions, a half dozen D-linemen drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, a secondary composed of 1 st round picks and valuable veteran contributors, linebackers drafted high and low, a few with the potential to be All Pros.
Agree. The team has a lot of young players with significant physical talent.

Posting creates a record of your opinions. They can always resurface to remind everyone of where you really stood before the games made it reality and a matter of record.

Im confortable with my opinions.....lets revisit in another 5 to 6 weeks.

I will say that nobody (fans or media) in the summer of 1992 thought they were looking at a Super Bowl team. It is impossible to know how good the current team might be this season, but they do have a lot of talent.