Because I'm Really That Bold/Insane

[BAT]

As I said, it's pointless talk about what this team could be as if it's a fact like you are trying to do. They could win the SB or they could also go 0-16 this year.

But one of the more important variables in making accurate projections is past production.

 

[plasticman]

When all my alerts are "quoted" instead of "liked" I can pretty much count on most of them disagreeing. Fair enough.

Thats why they play the game. This will be my 47th season as a fan and Im no closer to confident predictions than I was in the first season I watched.

A superstar could emerge out of nowhere. A tragic career ending event is just as likely. I never rule out the importance of raw luck. It takes at least a little for most teams. Considering the season to season injuries, I would say the Cowboys are due.

I mean, what if that old scout wasnt there to convince Jimmy to take Emmitt. Or, what if Jimmy had gotten the guy he wanted instead, LB Francis from Baylor.

What if Romo had decided to try New Orleans indtead of Dallas his rookie year.

What if the Cowboys drafted their QB of the future, Brady Quinn.

I like this year's team. They dont have everything, who does? But I think there are some nice surprises in that roster, we'll see.

I try to make ot a point never to get too tense, too adversarial on these forums, LOL, as if it's important for everyone to perceive me as some Cowboys guru. I just like talking about my team with other fans. Thanks guys!

 

[BigStar]

Ken Norton took 5 seasons to develop into a Pro Bowler.

Leon Lett was a backup until his 4th season and never had more than 4 sacks in a single season.

The Cowboys already had two championships before Deion ever showed up.

Woodsen came in 1992 and was a special teamer that year. The Cowboys were firmly established by the time he was a contributing starter.

Tony Tolbert, a 4th round pick in 1989, didnt start until his 3rd season, didnt make the Pro Bowl until his 8th season.

You and others are comparing entire careers to rookies or guys with 1 to 3 years of experience. Those guys from the 90's did nothing in their first couple years that the current guys havent done.

The defense from the 90's wasnt about superstars or elite players. It was about a system that utilized an array of contributors.

The current team has similar acquisitions, a half dozen D-linemen drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, a secondary composed of 1 st round picks and valuable veteran contributors, linebackers drafted high and low, a few with the potential to be All Pros.

Posting creates a record of your opinions. They can always resurface to remind everyone of where you really stood before the games made it reality and a matter of record.

Im confortable with my opinions.....lets revisit in another 5 to 6 weeks.

Wowza, I thought I was defending you "he said he would reply regarding the D, etc." Kevin Smith and Woody would be the main ingredients during that tenure. I support Gregory/don't care for Church/Carr. Love Jones @ FS and Scandrick at CB and like Mo's camp. Like that we rid of Hayden and like Thornton/Crawford/Collins/Irving to rotate in the middle if not LE. We have holes but like Lawrence @ LE/RE (unless Tapper surprises) as the main pass rusher unless Gregory has progressed. Wusa brotha

 

[Sydla]

There's nothing wrong about being excited for your team and wanting to talk positively about it.

It's when you start trying to equate this team and how it is currently constructed and was built with arguably the greatest teams, not only in the franchise's history but NFL history, that's when the train starts to get wobbly and roll right off the tracks.

 

[CWR]

Yes both matters to having a winning team. But as Parcells has shown us, you can make chicken salad out of chicken poop if you know what you are doing. With parity in the NFL, good coaching is more important now than it was in the 90s. It's going to be hard to impossible to assemble a team like we had in the 90s now.

Building a dynasty is alot more difficult now but if we can hit on some rookie DE, Jaylon Smith, Jones, I think we are on our way to having a chance every year. Of course Dak is going to have to be the Dak we are already crowning him as.

Btw PARCELLS was 34-30 with Dallas. Im not sure why hes so beloved. He did some AWESOME things for the franchise but Im still upset about passing on Sjax and I wont forget had he gotten his way we wouldve lost Dware in the draft.

Full disclosure: 9 years as a Giant probably makes my opinion of him biased lol. He was a fine coach.

 

[CWR]

Ken Norton took 5 seasons to develop into a Pro Bowler.

Leon Lett was a backup until his 4th season and never had more than 4 sacks in a single season.

The Cowboys already had two championships before Deion ever showed up.

Woodsen came in 1992 and was a special teamer that year. The Cowboys were firmly established by the time he was a contributing starter.

Tony Tolbert, a 4th round pick in 1989, didnt start until his 3rd season, didnt make the Pro Bowl until his 8th season.

You and others are comparing entire careers to rookies or guys with 1 to 3 years of experience. Those guys from the 90's did nothing in their first couple years that the current guys havent done.

The defense from the 90's wasnt about superstars or elite players. It was about a system that utilized an array of contributors.

The current team has similar acquisitions, a half dozen D-linemen drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, a secondary composed of 1 st round picks and valuable veteran contributors, linebackers drafted high and low, a few with the potential to be All Pros.

Posting creates a record of your opinions. They can always resurface to remind everyone of where you really stood before the games made it reality and a matter of record.

Im confortable with my opinions.....lets revisit in another 5 to 6 weeks.

Great post. Thanks for taking the time to actually put facts in it! Our D certainly has potential:
Dlaw
T Crawford
Jaylon
Jones
Lee
Scandrick
Dare I say MO

And a ton of youth

 

[Zman5]

Building a dynasty is alot more difficult now but if we can hit on some rookie DE, Jaylon Smith, Jones, I think we are on our way to having a chance every year. Of course Dak is going to have to be the Dak we are already crowning him as.

Btw PARCELLS was 34-30 with Dallas. Im not sure why hes so beloved. He did some AWESOME things for the franchise but Im still upset about passing on Sjax and I wont forget had he gotten his way we wouldve lost Dware in the draft.

Full disclosure: 9 years as a Giant probably makes my opinion of him biased lol. He was a fine coach.

My point about Parcells was that even with lousy players, a coach can make a huge difference in wins and losses.

Look at the 49ers and what Harbaugh did when he got there. He took a team that hadn't had a winning record for 8 years and made them into a perennial playoff team.

A team could be talented yet underachieve because of bad coaching. Team could be void of talent yet overachieve due to good coaching.

 

[waving monkey]

No doubt the team looks to be in better shape. Especially with the way Dak's been playing.

As I said, it's pointless talk about what this team could be as if it's a fact like you are trying to do. They could win the SB or they could also go 0-16 this year.

The arrogance of the "just the facts" crowd is tiring. As I've stated facts are good

As I said, it's pointless talk about what this team could be as if it's a fact like you are trying to do. They could win the SB or they could also go 0-16 this year.

thats pretentious stuff there

 

[Zman5]

The arrogance of the "just the facts" crowd is tiring. As I've stated facts are good

thats pretentious stuff there

If you are into fairy tales and rainbows, keep wearing your rose colored glasses. Just because you like to keep your head in the sand and don't want to face the truth, doesn't change the facts.

It's one thing to think we might win the SB soon, but that doesn't mean we already did.

 

[Stash]

If you are into fairy tales and rainbows, keep wearing your rose colored glasses. Just because you like to keep your head in the sand and don't want to face the truth, doesn't change the facts.

It's one thing to think we might win the SB soon, but that doesn't mean we already did.

It's childish behavior. Essentially a tantrum. Probably stomped his feet as he was typing too.

 

[waving monkey]

If you are into fairy tales and rainbows, keep wearing your rose colored glasses. Just because you like to keep your head in the sand and don't want to face the truth, doesn't change the facts.

It's one thing to think we might win the SB soon, but that doesn't mean we already did.

pretentious, again when we start winning dont come with the mea culpas

 

[Zman5]

pretentious, again when we start winning dont come with the mea culpas

What? Who said they won't win in the future? I sure didn't because nobody knows for sure if they will or not.
Unlike you, I don't live in some fantasy land and believe what hasn't happened yet as facts.

 

[waving monkey]

What? Who said they won't win in the future? I sure didn't because nobody knows for sure if they will or not.
Unlike you, I don't live in some fantasy land and believe what hasn't happened yet as facts.

you grow funnier

 

[Tabascocat]

Without reading 5 pages, has anyone mentioned Eugene Turner??

 

[Zman5]

you grow funnier

But you are the funniest guy on this thread for sure.

 

[the_showstopper]

So you've got nothing. You want to rush to Garrett's defense, but every time you're asked to provide facts to support it, you resort to a diversion attempt.

Typical.

The facts are that the criticisms and disappointments are valid. The only thing the defenders can point to is one season out of five that had positive results. The rest were 8-8 mediocrity that ended with failure and disappointments, and a 4-12 debacle.

So the critics have four seasons to support their positions, while the defenders have one season.

I know which side of the ledger looks stronger.

That's what's always confused me about your team, fans and the media.
Looking at the averages from just a numbers standpoint, 8-8 would seem to be the average, and that 12-4 is the outlier.
Hell even if you take the 12-4 season and the 4-12 season and average them over 2 years, or the entire 5 year red billy tenure, the average is STILL 8-8

*edit I left out the 5-3 record of his first season, since it wasn't a complete one.

Yet everyone here and in the media wants to act like that 12-4 season is the norm and the others are the outliers, when the results say the exact opposite.
I find it amusing.

and before anyone gets their panties in a bunch and starts saying, well look at your team, they've sucked for years.
I'm aware of that. The fanbase and the media are definitely aware of that. I don't know anyone who thinks last year's 9-7 is the average, when the reality of the past 5 years is more like 5-11.. and that's being generous.

 

[Sydla]

Did I miss the player by player comparison between this defense and say the 1992 or 93 one?

 

[Stash]

That's what's always confused me about your team, fans and the media.
Looking at the averages from just a numbers standpoint, 8-8 would seem to be the average, and that 12-4 is the outlier.
Hell even if you take the 12-4 season and the 4-12 season and average them over 2 years, or the entire 5 year red billy tenure, the average is STILL 8-8

*edit I left out the 5-3 record of his first season, since it wasn't a complete one.

Yet everyone here and in the media wants to act like that 12-4 season is the norm and the others are the outliers, when the results say the exact opposite.
I find it amusing.

and before anyone gets their panties in a bunch and starts saying, well look at your team, they've sucked for years.
I'm aware of that. The fanbase and the media are definitely aware of that. I don't know anyone who thinks last year's 9-7 is the average, when the reality of the past 5 years is more like 5-11.. and that's being generous.

All I can say is that it's not all of us who see things that way. Some of us can actually admit our flaws, mistakes, and shortcomings.

But I'd say that every team has their fair share of 'Super Fans' who can see no wrong, and can't handle it when someone else does.

 

[USMarineVet]

Bottom line, what did the 90's offense have that this team doesn't?

I dare to compare.

No salary cap. Not until 1994 anyway. We were fortunate to have an owner who could and would outbid the competition for players who would take us over the top.