Before you say we draft poorly

[Ender]

The Jenkins and Felix picks did hurt the team, but only for 4 years, the length of their rookie contracts. After 4 years they are free agents at which point they have no more value to you than the free agents from other teams.

It would be different if it was a QB drafted in the top 5 because that type of player will not be available in free agency.

Again, Carr replaced Mike Jenkins. Zero picks were used to replace Jenkins.

We are just gonna disagree. You see it as replacing players with free agents, I see it as wasting numerous resources on the same position that's still terrible as a result of another terrible draft decision. If the mike Jenkins senerio was an single event I'd be inclined to agree with you. But this has been the case far to often with numerous positions over the last 6 years.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Solid post...

 

[Dodger12]

I think Lee will make it. He was the worst LB in the NFL the first 4-5 games of the season against the pass but he has turned it around. His run stopping has been consistently top notch. I believe he becomes the first Cowboy drafted in the last half-decade to be selected to the Probowl (not as an injury replacement, etc).

Dez -- its 50/50. He is the 6th rated WR in the NFC and not even top 15 in the NFL for yards per game so the case for Dez making isn't nearly as strong.

I don't know how you believe Lee makes it with what you posted. He sucks in the passing game for 5 games, is out injured for a few more and he'll improve the final 1/3 of the season. Just doesn't work that way.

 

[theSHOW]

Solid post...

wish the team was as solid.

 

[Ender]

Who cares about the pro bowl?

 

[xwalker]

We are just gonna disagree. You see it as replacing players with free agents, I see it as wasting numerous resources on the same position that's still terrible as a result of another terrible draft decision. If the mike Jenkins senerio was an single event I'd be inclined to agree with you. But this has been the case far to often with numerous positions over the last 6 years.

It's a good civil discusssion. At least give it some thought.

It's all about the new CBA and how it affects cap management. Immediate contributions by draft picks has become more important while long term success of draft picks has become less important. The exception is for franchise type players, primarily QBs, that never hit free agency.

In my research, the only other position where a quallity player rarely if ever hits free agency is Center. The Frederick pick was much more valuable than most people realize.

The lack of great production by Claiborne is much more significant to the 2013 team than the bad picks from 2009, IMO.

 

[coult44]

I have made a list of all the players in the NFC East who were drafted from 2010-2013 who are either starters or important role players on their respective teams. I did this purely because I was curious but what I found was pretty encouraging/surprising.

Players who I consider to be Impact/Well above average players are in bold

I also included a list of notable "Busts" (Either 1st or 2nd rd picks who are not with the team or are not notable contributors to the team



New York Giants:
Jason Pierre Paul - Starter
Linval Joseph - Starter
Prince Amukamara - Starter
Jaicquan Williams - Starter
Jerrell Jernigan
David Wilson - Starter
Rueben Randle - Starter
Justin Pugh - Starter
Demontre Moore

Notable Busts: Marvin Austin,

Philadelphia Eagles:
Riley Cooper - Starter
Clay Harbor
Alex Henery - Starter
Fletcher Cox - Starter
Brandon Boykin - Starter
Mychal Kendricks - Starter
Vinny Curry
Nick Foles - Starter
Bryce Brown
Lane Johnson - Starter
Bennie Logan
Earl Wolff - Starter

Notable Busts: Brandon Graham, Nate Allen, Danny Watkins, Jaiquawn Jarrett

Washington Commanders:
Trent Williams - Starter
Perry Riley - Starter
Ryan Kerrigan - Starter
Leonard Hankerson
Roy Helu
Dejon Gomes
Aldrick Robinson
Robert Griffin III - Starter
Alfred Morris - Starter
Jordan Reed - Starter
David Amerson - Starter

Notable Busts: Jarvis Jenkins

Dallas Cowboys:
Dez Bryant - Starter
Sean Lee - Starter
Tyron Smith - Starter
Bruce Carter - Starter
Demarco Murray - Starter
Dwayne Harris
Morris Claiborne - Starter
Tyrone Crawford
James Hanna
Travis Frederick - Starter
Terrance Williams - Starter
JJ Wilcox - Starter

Notable Busts: None


Final Results are

Giants: 9 Total, 6 Starters, 1 Well above average player , 1 Bust

Eagles: 12 Total, 8 Starters, 0 Well above average players, 4 Busts

Commanders: 11 Total, 7 Starters, 4 Well above average players, 1 Bust

Cowboys: 12 Total, 8 Starters, 3 Well above average players, 0 Busts


In my opinion the Cowboys have arguably had the best drafting in the NFC East since 2010. One could certainly make an argument for the Commanders but that also hinges on what becomes of RG3.. I listed him in bold because of last year but the way things are going I'm not sure that will stay that way..

This also doesn't include undrafted contributors since 2010 which I am quite certain we have the most of (Barry Church, Dan Bailey, Lance Dunbar, Ronald Leary)

The Cowboys DO have the best Talent in the NFC East and have the best young talent as well.. It's time that translates but as long as you keep losing every close game with a good opponent it will be difficult. I don't want a coaching change because of all that comes along with (Change of staff, Philosophy, a lot of Personell changes) etc.. But If Garrett can't get us at least to the playoffs this year I think he needs to go.. He has what he needs to work with and even though the Defense has been a major let down the offense has SEVERELY UNDERACHIEVED.. That falls on him.

We DO draft horribleez, Tyron, and Frederick are great picks. Lee and Murray hurt us more than they help us. If you can't depend on someone, and know they are eventually going to let you down, then I'd rather have someone else. Even with less talent, as long as they are dependable...Mo is a BUST so far, I hate the word potential. Carter is very inconsistent. Why are we talking about Crawford, Hannah, and WIlcox....Laughable....I like Harris and Williams, they contribute more than most on our team.....Why leave out Webb, Randle, Escobar, Wilbur, Johnson, Coale, McSurdy, Arkin, Thomas, Chapas, Nagy, AOA, Young,Wall, and the great Sean Lissemore. That's at lease 10-11 wasted draft picks. I'm still holding hope for Wilcox, and Webb. Randle is too slow, and Escobar is uhhhhhhh, I go blank...You can't win or be a contender in this league with that many wasted picks. We draft way too much on "potential" and upside, other than depth, strength, and football IQ.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Lol @ someone who said lee was horrible first 5 games he looked great . Carter and sims have looked horrible . Don't go and pull up those stupid Pro Football Weekley stats those guys are full of it .

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Carpenter
Jenkins
F jones
Escobar
M bennet
Fasano
J jones

All garbage

 

[Idgit]

Carpenter
Jenkins
F jones
Escobar
M bennet
Fasano
J jones

All garbage

Except for Escobar, where you're obviously leaping to a premature conclusion, also all old garbage, and outside the purview of the discussion.

 

[IrishAnto]

It's a good civil discusssion. At least give it some thought.

It's all about the new CBA and how it affects cap management. Immediate contributions by draft picks has become more important while long term success of draft picks has become less important. The exception is for franchise type players, primarily QBs, that never hit free agency.

In my research, the only other position where a quallity player rarely if ever hits free agency is Center. The Frederick pick was much more valuable than most people realize.

The lack of great production by Claiborne is much more significant to the 2013 team than the bad picks from 2009, IMO.

While I agree that players need to start contributing a lot sooner these days, I don’t agree with your assessment that we’re not hurt by the 2008, 2009 drafts.

Most of the difference makers on your team should come from the first and second round picks (I would also include your 3rd but that’s debatable).

The average player should reach his prime (in terms of physical ability and experience) around the end of his first contract and all being well maintain it for 3+ years.

So taking Mike Jenkins as an example, he should have hit is prime by 2012, the year we drafted Claiborne and should be a mainstay of the defense now.

Instead he’s gone and we spent a first and second on Claiborne and he’s not giving us much either.

So we’ve spent two firsts and a second on players that haven’t helped this team in the last four games.

That hurts and what’s more it’s not the only example you could find in the last 10 or more years.

 

[perrykemp]

Lol @ someone who said lee was horrible first 5 games he looked great . Carter and sims have looked horrible . Don't go and pull up those stupid Pro Football Weekley stats those guys are full of it .

He wasn't horrible overall -- he was BAD against the pass up through about the Denver game.

He eventually worked out his pass assignments in the Kiffin 4-3 and has been very good as a pass defender ever since.

 

[Ender]

It's a good civil discusssion. At least give it some thought.

It's all about the new CBA and how it affects cap management. Immediate contributions by draft picks has become more important while long term success of draft picks has become less important. The exception is for franchise type players, primarily QBs, that never hit free agency.

In my research, the only other position where a quallity player rarely if ever hits free agency is Center. The Frederick pick was much more valuable than most people realize.

The lack of great production by Claiborne is much more significant to the 2013 team than the bad picks from 2009, IMO.

Believe me, i understand what your saying. My point is not solely based on jenkins, rather the fact we keep using high picks on the same positions and the players we draft in these positions tend to suck. Thats an indication of bad multiple awful draft decisions.

 

[JackWagon]

Even ppl who dont know football very well can hit on their 1st and 2nd round draft choices every year. They should be quite obvious picks. The real good GMs find players in rounds 3-7 and UFAs. Sad part is we dont even hit with some of our 2nd round picks. :/

 

[theSHOW]

Even ppl who dont know football very well can hit on their 1st and 2nd round draft choices every year. They should be quite obvious picks. The real good GMs find players in rounds 3-7 and UFAs. Sad part is we dont even hit with some of our 2nd round picks. :/

Romo to Austin for 7..................................UFA to UFA

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Romo to Austin for 7..................................UFA to UFA

Sean Payton, fellow EIU alum. Bill Parcells Jersey guy.

 

[JackWagon]

Romo to Austin for 7..................................UFA to UFA

yep ... we got lucky and found 2 UFAs since 1996. Yipee.

 

[Rockport]

In my opinion the Cowboys have arguably had the best drafting in the NFC East since 2010. One could certainly make an argument for the Commanders but that also hinges on what becomes of RG3.. I listed him in bold because of last year but the way things are going I'm not sure that will stay that way..

A .500 win/loss record for the past 13 years is not good evidence of drafting well. As I pointed out before, who cares if your draft picks are starters if they can't play football. The point is moot

 

[theSHOW]

yep ... we got lucky and found 2 UFAs since 1996. Yipee.

add another 2013 starter Barry Church. Hmmm 3 starters name another team with three UFA starters

 

[Common Sense]

add another 2013 starter Barry Church. Hmmm 3 starters name another team with three UFA starters

Is that a joke? You do watch other football teams, right?