Belicheat, Brady claim ignorance; NFL Statement Post #434

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Makes me wonder what they're still getting away with that we haven't found out about yet.

It's crazy. You'd think the league would be monitoring these outliers and handling this stuff under the table where it's not going to give them such a stupid black eye like this has. Maybe they are, and just not all the outliers have been identified, but given the correlation between turnovers and winning, you'd think this one would have been exposed long ago. Right?
 

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People miss the full issue here.

The Patriots fumbling statistics since 2007 are off the charts. Statistical anomalies point to this not being only a game issue, but a systematic technique employed by the Patriots to protect the football.

Warren Sharp has dug even further than original and started looking at individual Patriots players fumbling before, during and after the Patriots, and the numbers get even more fishy. He even said when he first looked into the issue, he thought it was ridiculous and stretching and probably nothing of significance, but he says it's just not possible.

I even heard on NFL Network an analyst said that accusations against the Patriots deflating the balls is not a single incident. I'm beginning to think players are getting tired of their antics and people are leaking information.

The Patriots, BB and TB would just love it if this was mentioned only as a one-time incident.

Still, in the last two years Tom Brady has out-fumbled Tony 15-11, and lost more fumbles 6-4.
 

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It's crazy. You'd think the league would be monitoring these outliers and handling this stuff under the table where it's not going to give them such a stupid black eye like this has. Maybe they are, and just not all the outliers have been identified, but given the correlation between turnovers and winning, you'd think this one would have been exposed long ago. Right?
There's probably more stuff still going on. Things that can't be traced, like the bullet made of ice. lol
 

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Still, in the last two years Tom Brady has out-fumbled Tony 15-11, and lost more fumbles 6-4.

Going off the numbers from pro-football-reference.com for the last two seasons:

Brady
16 fumbles
1339 touches(pass attempts, sacks, rushes)
1 fumble every 83.7 touches

Romo
13 fumbles
1084 touches
1 fumble every 83.4 touches
 

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Still, in the last two years Tom Brady has out-fumbled Tony 15-11, and lost more fumbles 6-4.

Which means he'd probably fumble more if they weren't 'spiking the juice'..
 

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Yeah, it's puzzling why the NFL is trying to invalidate its own Super Bowl. If it turns out there has been systemic cheating by the Patriots, there won't be an asterisk big enough to put next to the official score if the Patriots win. That said, we already know the balls are passed from the refs to the Patriots' equipment people, so this doesn't necessarily mean anything. It certainly would be the logical place to start an investigation, though.
 

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Going off the numbers from pro-football-reference.com for the last two seasons:

Brady
16 fumbles
1339 touches(pass attempts, sacks, rushes)
1 fumble every 83.7 touches

Romo
13 fumbles
1084 touches
1 fumble every 83.4 touches
Well that proves it!! That's a statistical outlier!!! End of story, QED and that's that!!! :muttley:
 

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There is a huge article on this and very interesting to read but won't post it.


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or Fall Guy

Don't know why he would be the fall guy. If anything, this provides further evidence of tampering--A Patriots employee took the footballs

"to another area on way to field” before the start of the game.

In other words, he took a detour. Not a stretch to assume that the Football were deflated during the detour.

So the question remains--who ordered it, because we know he didn't mess with Tom's Balls without Tom's permission or direction.
 

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What's the real evidence? All there is right now is cirucmstantial; i.e. 11 balls were 2 PSI low.

Oh and you may not have heard. Currently we are hearing whispers that they were not 2 PSI low and instead they were only 1 PSI low. It'll be interesting to hear what the truth is.

Yes. I've heard the 2 psi was from the 13.5 and not the 12.5...but we'll see. At this point, I've heard everything. Not only that, if we're going to start questioning people's honesty (Brady) without clear evidence, do they have witnesses that the every ball was tested before the game and at halftime? lol That's a bit of a joke there.
 

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I cant believe some of you guys actually are buying this "weather caused the drop" bs from hoodie....................air condenses in cold weather, so both the Colt balls and the Pat balls would be affected. Even if the Pats aired their balls up in 100 degree sauna, they were checked 2-3 hours before the game at room temp by referee Walt Anderson with an air gauge and were compliant at that point along with the Colt balls as well. Then all 24 balls were taken to the field where somehow the weather caused the Pat balls to lose 15% of their air and the Colt balls remained at the same pressure they were gauged at for the entire first half.

This is scientifically impossible for weather to cause some footballs to deflate and others not to, the cold would cause and equal condensation of air in all footballs equally when exposed to the elements. Even if the Colt balls were inflated higher than the Pat balls originally, you would still see a drop in their air pressure as well. There is also no known way to scuff a football to prevent it from being affected by air condensation in cold conditions unless you rubbed some sort of insulating agent on the ball which would have been detected by the refs 2-3 hours before the game.

This is just scientifically not possible and if it is, I would love to know how..................then I can go back to the College of Natural Science at University of Texas where I got my degree from and explain to them this new phenomenon...........maybe they will put my picture on the wall for explaining a new phenomenon to them.;)
Just some trivia.....
It depends on the room temp that each set of balls was inflated in and how much they were inflated in each case....not just the outdoor temp
 

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Just some trivia.....
It depends on the room temp that each set of balls was inflated in and how much they were inflated in each case....not just the outdoor temp

The people who made the footballs arent buying all the BS. You need to stop also. Patriots cheated
 

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The people who made the footballs arent buying all the BS. You need to stop also. Patriots cheated
You mean to tell me that the public relations people of the company who manufactured the product are defending their product???!

Well then everything they say must be 100% true!! PR people never lie!!
 

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You mean to tell me that the public relations people of the company who manufactured the product are defending their product???!

Well then everything they say must be 100% true!! PR people never lie!!

Neither do habitual cheaters
 

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Just some trivia.....
It depends on the room temp that each set of balls was inflated in and how much they were inflated in each case....not just the outdoor temp

But then all the balls supposedly sat in the referees room for 2 hours. Wouldn't that allow them all to calibrate or equalize or whatever Belichick was trying to sell on Saturday. They didn't go from inflated to the field right away from what I understand.
 
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