Best Cowboy WR Since Irvin Was Drafted

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theogt;1526138 said:
But you realize that the only reason Glenn has been better for the Cowboys is because of his longevity with the team, correct? It has nothing to do with him being a better WR.

In that case, how is it at all worthwhile to compare 1 year to 4 years of production?

What we can say that is worthwhile is that 2006 was close to being Terry's best year as a Cowboy and it still wasn't as good as Terrell's, who arguably had a down year because of the hand injury.

ok - this is talk that now defines the question and helps people understand vs. just "wah" around. thanks for bringing this cranky dude back into the mix. : )

i went glenn cause it's a "cowboys" receiver. is it fair to compare 1 year to 4 years?

no. never said it was. but i did say it was the reason i went for glenn because he's helped us longer and has had zero baggage coming along with him.

i'm not going to get into hand injuries, and the side discussions because as i said, i took this to be a cowboys poll not an overall who's a better wr.

who's had the better career?
owens.

who's done more good for dallas?
glenn.

if TO can keep on his mended ways and have another good year or two i'd likely put him past glenn because he went out and did it *for us* and it is in fact a *cowboys* poll.

as i understood it.

but i still say the saddest part of all this is that since irvin we've not done jack squat to find another #1 WR in our own system and our drafts picks and even FA's have bombed out.

who'd have thought when irvin was carried off the field it would take 10+ years to even bring someone in who'd compare to him, much less who that WR would be.

that's the sad part.
 

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nyc;1526140 said:
No he didn't. TO had more catches, TDs, first downs, and yards by which all are standards at a receivers production.

you left out more drops, too. and many at critical times.

now come out with the excuses.
 

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Doomsday101;1526145 said:
If the question was who has had the best single season since Irvin retired then it would be Owens. I took the question as being more than just 1 year of play and in that case Glenn has been the most consistent WR who has come up with many big plays for the Cowboys since being here.

It was a loaded question to begin with. It was not specific enough to be much more than a popularity contest for some posters.

The question can be interpreted several different ways. And even without reading the thread, it was obvious where the battle lines would be drawn.
 

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Doomsday101;1526145 said:
If the question was who has had the best single season since Irvin retired then it would be Owens. I took the question as being more than just 1 year of play and in that case Glenn has been the most consistent WR who has come up with many big plays for the Cowboys since being here.

about 1/2 of us did. what i find funny is that the vocal minority from the owens 1/2 takes it personal. the vocal minority for the glenn 1/2 is simply talking it through and trying to get the point across.

it's simply a matter of 1 question being taken as 2 and the debates began followed by the "have your head examined if you don't see it my way!!!" vs. the discussion we're FINALLY getting to in defining why we made the choice we did.
 

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Alexander;1526157 said:
It was a loaded question to begin with. It was not specific enough to be much more than a popularity contest for some posters.

The question can be interpreted several different ways.

I agree. Putting personal feelings aside I think if Owens can put together 2 or 3 more season as he did last year then I would agree with all who is saying Owens.
 

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Alexander;1526157 said:
It was a loaded question to begin with. It was not specific enough to be much more than a popularity contest for some posters.

The question can be interpreted several different ways. And even without reading the thread, it was obvious where the battle lines would be drawn.

is this twice in a week we've agreed?

it just got very cold somewhere usually very warm. >g<
 

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iceberg;1526096 said:
you're taking this way too seriously dude. it's just an opinion. if you're that insecure about your own opinion an opposing one makes you reach so, you got some issues you need to go work out.
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iceberg;1526096 said:
is TO better than Glenn *overall* - i can see that. but i value what glenn has done in the 4 years here vs. the 1 year of owens. i value the committment and the durability he's shown he's not really noted for.
That was NOT the question at hand. :rolleyes:
iceberg;1526096 said:
all things no, are not equal. neither are opinions, it seems. i'll stand by my glenn pick and just not give a flip what the children think cause they're not ready for "open thought" about it anyway.

only their own views. gets old.
TO IS better than Glenn. It's not an opinion it's a FACT. The numbers speak volume. You're hatred of TO speaks volumes about to your bias.

iceberg;1526100 said:
it's a "cowboys" poll, as i take it. not an overall career poll.
Again. It says "WHO is the better receiver", not Who does iceberg think is is better for the Cowboys" or "Who has played more years as a Cowboys". There is no mistaking what question was ask.
iceberg;1526100 said:
if you talk who in the end is a better WR, sure. owens.

if you're talking who's been better for the cowboys, i go glenn.
It's not that you don't get it. It's that you refuse to accept it. :rolleyes:
iceberg;1526100 said:
what's anally boring are those who simply can't stand it when "their boy" isn't the love child of all for whatever reason they pull out of their wa-ha-ha.

Wow, I find that you fall into this category if you reverse the "their boy isnt the love child" with "that jerk TO is better than who I prefer". :rolleyes:

I would also like to say that I think.... you're taking this way too seriously dude. it's just an opinion. if you're that insecure about your own opinion an opposing one makes you reach so, you got some issues you need to go work out.
 

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nyc;1526140 said:
No he didn't. TO had more catches, TDs, first downs, and yards by which all are standards at a receivers production.

It's not just the number of catches. The degree of difficulty, the timing of the catches, how the player performs in the clutch that you should to look at. It's helpful to know how the plays were designed or what the game plan required and what role a player is playing in an offense. You only reduce it down to yards and TDs in fantasy football.
 

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nyc;1526167 said:
Again. It says "WHO is the better receiver", not Who does iceberg think is is better for the Cowboys" or "Who has played more years as a Cowboys". There is no mistaking what question was ask.

um....chuckles, care to read the question again?

"Best Cowboy WR Since Irvin Was Drafted "

well lookie there - COWBOY is in the question plain as day.

get over yourself, BOY.

now i feel like the old man in phantasm.
 

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I took the question with my own parameters. Since it was a question without too many specifics I feel each poster should use his or her own parameters.

I guess anyone would do so, do they pick because of this reason or that reason.

So here was why I made my pick.

I picked someone that has been here more than one year.

I picked someone who I think is a very good WR that is fast, has good hands, runs good routes and does not make much of a stink on or off the field.

I picked Terry Glenn.

He has played four years (not counting the upcoming season) for the cowboys.

He has missed 7 games in those four years and really that is the worst I think someone can say about him. To be fair 6 of those 7 games were all in one season.

Four Year totals (per NFL.Com)

208 Receptions
3337 Yards
16 Yard per catch average
20 TDs

Now...if TO stays a little longer he could move beyond Terry in those stats.

So I chose my parameters and according to mine I have Terry Glenn ranked above TO...for now.
 

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I'd offer a question for Glenn-votes.

What do you think of the difference in offensive production from 05 to 06? Keep in mind that we were still a top offense with Drew Bledsoe, even though he turned the ball over alot. Glenn had been here for years, but it seems that TO's presence really opened some things up. Glenn had one of his best years ever, playing across from TO - I'm sure he benefitted as well.

Just another thought to drop into a discussion that is nearing critical mass. ;)
 

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I cannot believe someone actually voted for Antonio Bryant with a straight face.
 

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iceberg;1526171 said:
um....chuckles, care to read the question again?

"Best Cowboy WR Since Irvin Was Drafted "

well lookie there - COWBOY is in the question plain as day.

get over yourself, BOY.

now i feel like the old man in phantasm.

You "feel" like one?
 

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I voted other.

My doctor advised me to. He said that if I had voted truthfully, the sheer stress would make me stroke out and die.

I did seek out a second opinion, but the other doctor simply said I would just die. So, what's a guy to do? :confused:
 

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Alexander;1526176 said:
I cannot believe someone actually voted for Antonio Bryant with a straight face.


But the best part is, three of them did it.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1526173 said:
I took the question with my own parameters.

I guess anyone would do so, do they pick because of this reason or that reason.

So here was why I made my pick.

I picked someone that has been here more than one year.

I picked someone who I think is a very good WR that is fast, has good hands, runs good routes and does not make much of a stink on or off the field.

I picked Terry Glenn.

He has played four years (not counting the upcoming season) for the cowboys.

He has missed 7 games in those four years and really that is the worst I think someone can say about him. To be fair 6 of those 7 games were all in one season.

Four Year totals (per NFL.Com)

208 Receptions
3337 Yards
16 Yard per catch average
20 TDs

Now...if TO stays a little longer he could move beyond Terry in those stats.

So I chose my parameters and according to mine I have Terry Glenn ranked above TO...for now.

seems like about 1/2 the votes took it this way also. if owens finishes his contract here and does what he did last year, sure. he'll pass glenn.

on it's own this is a loaded question people can take in different ways. some feel it's better WR vs. better cowboys WR, then the debate comes in about how long you have to play to be a Cowboys "WR".

there are many ways to look at this question and i just wish the anally retentive owens crowd would realize that.
 

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Vintage;1526185 said:
But the best part is, three of them did it.

I know.

The Kelvin Martin fellow I can excuse due to dementia, a severe brain injury or simple carelessness.

Three like minded individuals like that?

Truly unnerving.
 

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superpunk;1526174 said:
I'd offer a question for Glenn-votes.

What do you think of the difference in offensive production from 05 to 06? Keep in mind that we were still a top offense with Drew Bledsoe, even though he turned the ball over alot. Glenn had been here for years, but it seems that TO's presence really opened some things up. Glenn had one of his best years ever, playing across from TO - I'm sure he benefitted as well.

Just another thought to drop into a discussion that is nearing critical mass. ;)

Sure having another top WR is going to help free both guys up. in 05 Glenn put up better numbers working with Keyshawn but clearly the offense was better with Glenn and Owens working together.
 
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