Best Cowboy WR Since Irvin Was Drafted

[YosemiteSam]

our criteria is simply different, nyc.

get over it and quit calling people haters.

What? Irrational bias vs applied logic?

 

[iceberg]

Anyone who didn't vote for TO (other than JustSayNo) really should have their head examined.

are TO supporters that insecure?

TO did some great things in his ONE YEAR as a cowboy. Glenn has done some great things in what, 4 years as a Cowboy? some will go straight for one set of numbers, some will go for another - it's a natural occurance in life some people just seem to have a hard time with.

i saw TO drop a lot of critical passes and i saw him get some "gimme" TD's. yes he did make some great catches and plays also - but his 1 year doesn't "outshine" 4 solid years of glenn. not to me.

if it does to you - great. i understand why and appreciate the argument. but the "head examined" and "how dumb are you haters!" is just jr high insecurity talking.

 

[iceberg]

What? Irrational bias vs applied logic?

the court jester comes in for an early morning dance.

dance, baghead, dance.

 

[superpunk]

nyc - TO did have 42 more opportunities than Glenn to get those extra 15 catches.

 

[WoodysGirl]

nyc - TO did have 42 more opportunities than Glenn to get those extra 15 catches.

Applied logic or irrational bias?

 

[YosemiteSam]

nyc - TO did have 42 more opportunities than Glenn to get those extra 15 catches.

TO also got open more than Glenn did. Considering defenses keyed on Owens and not Glenn last year, that makes the feat just that much more impressive.

All things are not equal.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Applied logic or irrational bias?

See above. :

 

[superpunk]

Applied logic or irrational bias?

I'm just an idiot. So I have no idea.

The first downs is an interesting notion, tho.

Football outsiders ranks Owens 8th and Glenn 9th, and that's a completely unbias statistically based outlook on how valuable these players were to our offense.

I think TO's got the capacity for more - but might not swing it at 32.

 

[theogt]

I really think TO and Glenn were tied, and TO had one the best ever seasons for a Cowboys WR last year. But it was only one year for us.

In the end it was that Terry Glenn has been more consistent for us playing at a high level the past four years. And that's what made me lean towards him.

Anyone who didn't vote for Terry Glenn hasn't been paying close enough attention.

TO's only been here a year and his impact is undeniable, but I'd like to see him do it again...and again...and again.

I wasn't aware this was based on production here alone. In that case, why the hell even compare? How could a receiver with only 1 year with the team possibly compete against a receiver with 4 years with the team?

But if you're talking about which is and has been the better receiver, it's not even close.

 

[superpunk]

TO also got open more than Glenn did. Considering defenses keyed on Owens and not Glenn last year, that makes the feat just that more impressive.

All things are not equal.

There's no way to prove who was open more. The number only suggests that TO was open more. Maybe we had more primary calls to Owens, so Glenn inherently gets less opportunities.

I agree that the logical answer IMO is TO. But it's not a huge stretch to vote Glenn - especially if you factor in tenure, contribution and dislike for TO.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't think the knock would be on TO for someone saying that. It would more likely be on the person saying it.

You must understand I'm a left-brained logical thnker. When breaking down a problem/question I separate hard facts from irrational bias and then judge only the facts. Here are the facts as I see them.

While superpunk pointed out that there wasn't a huge gap between the stats, I think there was more to it than it appears.

First, Owens had more 15 more catches. 15 doesn't sound like much, but it's actually 18% more catches and it would have taken Glenn based on his avg catches per game 3.5 more games to even up with Owens. On top of that, those 15 extra catches that Owens made all of them account for first downs above what Glenn made. Glenn had 47 1st downs vs TO who had 62 1st downs. TO had exactly 15 more catches and 15 more first downs than Glenn. So, not only did TO have more catches, the catches he did make were much more valuable catches. Of course, those are just first downs and it doesn't include the 7 more TDs (or 42 more points) that TO scored. I can continue, but I come here to enjoy myself not bicker.

I respect your response, but it doesn't change my opinion. You can use numbers to justify your position. I can use longevity to justify mine. It's just as logical.

 

[Hostile]

I don't particularly like Owens, but I am honest. He's easily the best WR we've had since Irvin. Yeah, I said easily and I meant it.

 

[theogt]

There's no way to prove who was open more. The number only suggests that TO was open more. Maybe we had more primary calls to Owens, so Glenn inherently gets less opportunities.

I agree that the logical answer IMO is TO. But it's not a huge stretch to vote Glenn - especially if you factor in tenure, contribution and dislike for TO.

That's also evidence indicating who the coaches think is the better receiver. So either he gets open more, Romo likes throwing to him more, or the coaches like calling his number more often. All routes lead to TO being better.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I wasn't aware this was based on production here alone. In that case, why the hell even compare? How could a receiver with only 1 year with the team possibly compete against a receiver with 3 years with the team?

But if you're talking about which is and has been the better receiver, it's not even close.

It's based on whatever you want it to be.

There's no way to prove who was open more. The number only suggests that TO was open more. Maybe we had more primary calls to Owens, so Glenn inherently gets less opportunities.

I agree that the logical answer IMO is TO. But it's not a huge stretch to vote Glenn - especially if you factor in tenure, contribution and dislike for TO.

I don't have a huge dislike for TO. Logic can be argued for or against either receiver. It doesn't make the answer wrong. I look at it as more of a preference based on my chosen criteria.

Overall, I think the 'boys are blessed to have such talent at the WR spots.

 

[YosemiteSam]

There's no way to prove who was open more. The number only suggests that TO was open more. Maybe we had more primary calls to Owens, so Glenn inherently gets less opportunities.

I agree that the logical answer IMO is TO. But it's not a huge stretch to vote Glenn - especially if you factor in tenure, contribution and dislike for TO.

Well, I agree with you that if the play was designed for TO and it's a timing play; then yes, who is open wouldn't matter. If it's not a timing play, then you have to make reads. If TO is your first read and he is open, then he gets the ball. As for your comment about tenure and dislike for TO. Those are bias influences to the question at hand.

Everyone one seems to think I'm a TO apologist. I am not! I was at the 49ers/Cowboys game when the Star incident took place. (My brother is a 49er/Cowboys fan; (49ers purposely named first as he grew up in Alameda, CA) we went to the game together) TO is a Cowboy and he is by far the best receiver on the team and while I question the way he acts and is as a person. There is NO questioning how great of a player he is. It's just like Deion Sanders. I hated and still hate him, but I rooted for him while he was a Cowboy because it meant rooting for the Cowboys. I enjoyed his INTs and INTs returned for TDs and he was without question, the best CB he had on the team; but I still disliked him as a person.

 

[theogt]

It's based on whatever you want it to be.

Great. I'll base it on something that's not completely stupid.

Next question:

Who was the better running back for the Dallas Cowboys -- Marion Barber III or Emmitt Smith?*








*This poll is based solely on their production for the team in the year 2006.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Great. I'll base it on something that's not completely stupid.

Next question:

Who was the better running back for the Dallas Cowboys -- Marion Barber III or Emmitt Smith?*








*This poll is based solely on their production for the team in the year 2006.

I just love how folks go to extremes to make a point.

 

[superpunk]

That's also evidence indicating who the coaches think is the better receiver. So either he gets open more, Romo likes throwing to him more, or the coaches like calling his number more often. All routes lead to TO being better.

Agreed. Can't really argue with any of that.

Great. I'll base it on something that's not completely stupid.

Next question:

Who was the better running back for the Dallas Cowboys -- Marion Barber III or Emmitt Smith?*








*This poll is based solely on their production for the team in the year 2006.

i lol'd. You jackarse.

I just love how folks go to extremes to make a point.

C'mon - it was a good shot. lol

 

[GlitzCowboy]

You mean Tuna Glenn or Terry Glenn? We've had Tuna Glenn and he was productive which I'll give that to him, but I don't think anybody can truly predict what Terry Glenn will be like without his daddy. If the past is any indication though, we don't have very much to look forward to from Terry Glenn. His production has solely been as a Tuna not a Terry, not to mention his "issues" always seem to follow him without the Tuna there to protect him.

I look at the past. Little Bill, who can have nothing but mounds of respect ushered his way for what he's done in NE, couldn't get rid of the mini-headcase fast enough. Same with Favre, one of the alltime greatest QBs to ever play this game. Favres made a zillion ugly WRs look like beauty queens, but couldn't do anything with Glenn.. or didn't want to. Little Bill just signed RANDY MOSS! Randy Moss! Showing plain as day that he doesn't have a problem with productive WRs that can bring something to the table. Which makes on seriously wonder what Glenn might have been trying to take under the table for Lil' Bill to be so harsh in getting rid of him. Randy Moss is suddenly a Princess though and can do no wrong in Bill's eyes.

Nice when your coach is infatuated with you and designs an offense to feed you the ball. Unfortunately no other coach he's played for has done that. For someone with so much raw talent, why is that? Sometimes the positives just don't weigh out the negatives, and in the case of Terry Glenn I'm thinking that's exactly what's been happening his entire career. Remember and never forget, Terry Glenn is one of the original badboy WRs, giving problems to people LONG before TO ever started his rampage on this league.

For the poll; TO is my vote. Unquestionably the most dominating thing to step foot on our field at that position since Irvin and that was the question. I mean hell, even Parcells began feeding him the ball more than his "son". That's gotta tell you everything right there. Even benched one of his alltime QBs to relay this message. Bill knew and hated every second of it, but he still knew and changed stuff because it, and that tells alot.

 

[Crown Royal]

C'mon - it was a good shot. lol

No, it wasn't. I voted on the question because I read it as asking who has been the Cowboys best WR since Irvin. I think there is no question that TO is a better receiver than Glenn, but he has only been a Cowboys WR for a year. Glenn has put up an impressive body of work over 4 years, which is why he got my vote.