Best Safety In The Draft? Mayock Says...

[Hostile]

eric berry will never touch ed reeds level of play in his life. best safety past 10 years. please

I looked through the thread and I don't see where anybody is claiming he will.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Ed Reed is the best NFL safety of all time and I probably still wouldn't take him with a top 3 pick unless I had a lot of confidence in my Offensive Tackle, and Quarterback or there just weren't any OT's or QB's I liked in that draft.

Berry has to be a phenom or you spent way to high of a draft pick on him and of course overpaid.

Just to dispute your "needs to be a hofer to validate his pick", go back and look at the 02' draft. If there was a do over, no way he gets past the third pick. Peppers would go first. Reed would go 2nd, maybe Freeney, but that's it.

 

[CATCH17]

Just to dispute your "needs to be a hofer to validate his pick", go back and look at the 02' draft. If there was a do over, no way he gets past the third pick. Peppers would go first. Reed would go 2nd, maybe Freeney, but that's it.

Oh I agree and thats because he is the best safety of all time and most likely a 1st ballot HOFer.

We picked the best College Safety of all time at #8 and the Ravens picked Reed at 24 in the same draft.

We would have been ripped for taking Reed over Williams.

 

[burmafrd]

best safety of all time. BS.

 

[stilltheguru]

I looked through the thread and I don't see where anybody is claiming he will.

look in the mirror and you will see someone who said he was the best safety prospect in the past 10 years. he isnt even close but whatever. season will tell it all.

 

[Avery]

Mayock will move Berry up as the months proceed, just watch.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Oh I agree and thats because he is the best safety of all time and most likely a 1st ballot HOFer.

We picked the best College Safety of all time at #8 and the Ravens picked Reed at 24 in the same draft.

We would have been ripped for taking Reed over Williams.

LOL, you said you didn't know if you would take Reed in the top 3, now you agree?

And seriously saying that Roy Williams was the best college safety of all time is silly, without going back to far, Sean Taylor was a better college safety in the last 10 years. Even Ed Reed is debatable

 

[zrinkill]

look in the mirror and you will see someone who said he was the best safety prospect in the past 10 years. he isnt even close but whatever. season will tell it all.

You must not know what prospect means.

 

[CATCH17]

LOL, you said you didn't know if you would take Reed in the top 3, now you agree?

And seriously saying that Roy Williams was the best college safety of all time is silly, without going back to far, Sean Taylor was a better college safety in the last 10 years. Even Ed Reed is debatable

I never said I wouldn't take him in the top 3 either.

I would have to know what my situation was at key positions that are actually worth that kind of compensation and pretty much know what I know now about Ed Reed.

And yes I think Roy Williams is the best college safety of all time and I watch a lot of Hurricanes football because they are 1 of my favorite teams.

Ed Reed being better than Roy Williams in college isn't even debatable.

Reed didn't become better than Roy until about year 3 of their careers.

You saying its silly to say Williams isn't the best college safety ever is silly.

 

[CATCH17]

best safety of all time. BS.

Who? Ed Reed? Ed Reed is the best NFL Safety thats ever played.

He is the Deion of Safeties.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Ed Reed being better than Roy Williams in college isn't even debatable.

Reed didn't become better than Roy until about year 3 of their careers.

You saying its silly to say Williams isn't the best college safety ever is silly.

Ed Reed was named a 2 time ap all american (00' and 01')

Roy Williams was named an ap all american once

and both were finialist for the Jim Thorpe award in 2001 (yes Williams did win)

If this isn't debatable, then you're blinded by RW fandom.

And it's yes, it is silly to keep claiming that RW was the GOAT like it's a fact. Just in the early 00s, you can debate Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

 

[CATCH17]

Ed Reed was named a 2 time ap all american (00' and 01')

Roy Williams was named an ap all american once

and both were finialist for the Jim Thorpe award in 2001 (yes Williams did win)

If this isn't debatable, then you're blinded by RW fandom.

And it's yes, it is silly to keep claiming that RW was the GOAT like it's a fact. Just in the early 00s, you can debate Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

Im not a Roy Williams fan and sure as heck am not a OU fan.

At the time if you debated between Ed Reed and Roy Williams it was a no contest in Roy Williams favor.

As good as Ed Reed was Sean Taylor was better than him in College too.

Roy Williams was touted as the next Ronnie Lott and guys like Marvin Lewis were saying they would play with 8 guys on defense if they had Roy Williams.

Everyone kept throwing the word "special" around when it came to Roy while Ed Reed flew way under the radar because of the greatness that was Roy Williams in College.

I wish Ed Reed would've been better than Roy Williams in College and maybe he would've been a Dallas Cowboy and the 8th overall pick instead of a Baltimore Raven and the 24th overall pick.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Im not a Roy Williams fan and sure as heck am not a OU fan.

At the time if you debated between Ed Reed and Roy Williams it was a no contest in Roy Williams favor.

As good as Ed Reed was Sean Taylor was better than him in College too.

Roy Williams was touted as the next Ronnie Lott and guys like Marvin Lewis were saying they would play with 8 guys on defense if they had Roy Williams.

Everyone kept throwing the word "special" around when it came to Roy while Ed Reed flew way under the radar because of the greatness that was Roy Williams in College.

I wish Ed Reed would've been better than Roy Williams in College and maybe he would've been a Dallas Cowboy and the 8th overall pick instead of a Baltimore Raven and the 24th overall pick.

Pretty much everything you said is true, except we're not debatting who the better prospect was. There are various reasons why Ed Reed wasn't as highly ranked coming out of college, but the fact is, he just wasn't ranked as high. That however does not mean RW was automattically a better college player. Eric Crouch was a better college player than David Carr, not debatable, but David Carr was a better prospect than Eric Crouch (also not debatable), the two just don't go hand in hand.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

As good as Ed Reed was Sean Taylor was better than him in College too.

yeah, i said sean taylor was a better college player (and prospect btw) than both

 

[CATCH17]

Pretty much everything you said is true, except we're not debatting who the better prospect was. There are various reasons why Ed Reed wasn't as highly ranked coming out of college, but the fact is, he just wasn't ranked as high. That however does not mean RW was automattically a better college player. Eric Crouch was a better college player than David Carr, not debatable, but David Carr was a better prospect than Eric Crouch (also not debatable), the two just don't go hand in hand.

Yeah 1 is he was viewed as another talented safety as to Roy Williams who was viewed as the best safety thats ever played College football at the time.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yeah 1 is he was viewed as another talented safety as to Roy Williams who was viewed as the best safety thats ever played College football at the time.

ran out of things to say huh? I point out various awards that atleast show it's debatable and this is what you counter with. I'm done

 

[CATCH17]

ran out of things to say huh? I point out various awards that atleast show it's debatable and this is what you counter with. I'm done

If you want a debate tell me Sean Taylor was the best College safety because then we will have one but saying Ed Reed was better is like me saying Payton Manning was better than Matt Leinart in College.

 

[jterrell]

various....

Eric Berry is a stud but he isn't nearly the best player in Tennessee history.

Earl Thomas is the new prototype safety for his coverage skills and he is very young with tons of upside.

RW31 was a better college player than either ST or Reed. RW31 really played rover which was a SS/OLB hybrid and he was a tremendous playmaker. tremendous.... Team results matter in these discussions.

 

[jterrell]

Ed Reed was named a 2 time ap all american (00' and 01')

Roy Williams was named an ap all american once

and both were finialist for the Jim Thorpe award in 2001 (yes Williams did win)

If this isn't debatable, then you're blinded by RW fandom.

And it's yes, it is silly to keep claiming that RW was the GOAT like it's a fact. Just in the early 00s, you can debate Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

Sophomore season

Roy Williams was a starter on the undefeated 2000 Oklahoma Sooners team which won 2000 NCAA DI-A Championship, setting a school record for tackles for loss by a defensive back with 12.


Junior season

In 2001, his junior season at OU, he won the Bronko Nagurski Trophy as the nation's top overall defensive player and also won the Jim Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back, while leading the team to a 10-2 record and a win over Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl Classic. He was a unanimous selection to both the All-America and All-Big 12 teams, and was named Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Team results matter in these discussions.

Miami wasn't just as successful?