Best team of all time?

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Outside of the fridge, that 85 da bears would give up almost 30 pounds per guy. If you don’t think that is a big difference you have not played football. By the time the 4th quarter rolls around, if you are pounding the rock and doing what OL love doing mauling people, please. What’s the old saying “Fatigue makes cowards out of all of us”.

 

[KJJ]

Again, you're avoiding the point you made. Payton hadn't slowed down in 1985, correct?

I said he was past his prime. He certainly slowed down in the 85 playoffs. Do you not agree? He only played two more seasons. You’re just arguing to argue.

 

[Legend]

The 1985 Bears faced only 6 opponents in the regular season who finished the regular season over .500.

And their three opponents in the playoffs were 10-6, 11-5, and 11-5.

 

[Legend]

I said he was past his prime. He certainly slowed down in the 85 playoffs. Do you not agree? He only played two more seasons. You’re just arguing to argue.

Walter’s playoff stats were not that great for multiple years.

 

[Flamma]

Do you have video of this? I'd be interested in taking a look.

Go to !:08.18 The replay shows he caught the ball and fumbled.

 

[MarcusRock]

I said he was past his prime. He certainly slowed down in the 85 playoffs. Do you not agree? He only played two more seasons. You’re just arguing to argue.

Well, his prime was 1,800 yards in a season. Kinda hard to keep that up. But his 1,551 yards rushing in '85 would have led the league in rushing from 2017-2019 and been 3rd in 2020, 2nd in 2021 and 2nd last season. When a past his prime RB can get you 4.8 ypc on 300+ rushes, that's pretty dang good so he was in no way a liability as you tried to portray, playoffs notwithstanding. Again, complete season. Don't know why people keep trying to zero in on the playoffs to find advantageous points when this metric was always about a full season.

 

[KJJ]

Well, his prime was 1,800 yards in a season. Kinda hard to keep that up. But his 1,551 yards rushing in '85 would have led the league in rushing from 2017-2019 and been 3rd in 2020, 2nd in 2021 and 2nd last season. When a past his prime RB can get you 4.8 ypc on 300+ rushes, that's pretty dang good so he was in no way a liability as you tried to portray, playoffs notwithstanding. Again, complete season. Don't know why people keep trying to zero in on the playoffs to find advantageous points when this metric was always about a full season.

The 85 season was his 11th year. He was still productive, but past his prime. Regardless his numbers no one can argue that at 32 he was past his prime in 85. He only played two more seasons.

 

[MarcusRock]

Go to !:08.18 The replay shows he caught the ball and fumbled.

It's close as he does kinda double clutch the ball at the point of the catch but I think his left hand stayed on the ball the whole way so by today's rules I think he would qualify as having taken a 3rd step and then the ball is knocked out for the fumble. I figure 1984 rules were simpler and he had to have 2 feet down. If they count the double clutch, then he didn't before the ball got knocked loose but if you don't, he took 3 steps before losing it.

 

[stuckindc]

I'm going to get a lot of heat for this, but the 1983 Washington Commodes was one of the best teams I ever saw play. They broke the record for most points scored ever and held that record until the 98 Vikings (I think). They blew out everybody including the playoffs. But it all fell apart in the SB against the Raiders and they got blew out 38-9. Unbelievable!

One of the most satisfying beat downs Their fans were fore sure they would repeat. And the Raiders beat them from start to finish.

 

[tunahelper]

You’re obviously not grasping the points I’ve made, because you’re such a Cowboys fan you refuse to be objective. Glad you brought up the Eagles because they did have a real good defense in 92 and they destroyed the Cowboys in week four 31-7. They picked off Troy Aikman three times and sacked him four times. Our OL had no answers against their defense. By the way that defense didn’t have Jerome Brown because he was killed in a car accident three months prior to the start of that season. The 91 Eagles defense was better with Jerome Brown and Reggie White. Most have that defense ranked in the top five but still well below the 85 Bears defense. You’re too focused on the DL. You have to look at the entire 85 Bears defense. Their line backer play with Wilber Marshall was outstanding.

If the Bears team was so great why didn't they win or even go to multiple SB's? Crickets? If they are all time great they certainly should have made another SB? Sorry but you sound like Farley on SNL. Here is a brain teaser for the ridiculous Da Bears fan. Ditka vs God?

 

[bigE79]

The 92 Cowboys get a mention.

The 92 team and it really even close,that team didn't have a single weakness,btmo.

 

[kskboys]

You have no idea what would’ve happened. You sound exactly like the other fan I’m arguing with. Lol No more ridiculous argument than arguing about who would’ve won between the 85 Bears and the 92 Cowboys. Not wasting any more time with this football fantasy.

Dude, you started this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mannix]

The 85 bears weren't just good. They humiliated everybody, LOL.

I think the entire league was so so that year....so the Bears really stood out...but they were good. One team that comes to mind despite the fact that they laid a turd in the Super Bowl, was the 1983 Skins....damn they were good.

 

[GMO415]

I’d take my chances with the 92-93 team against anyone.

^This

 

[KJJ]

If the Bears team was so great why didn't they win or even go to multiple SB's? Crickets? If they are all time great they certainly should have made another SB? Sorry but you sound like Farley on SNL. Here is a brain teaser for the ridiculous Da Bears fan. Ditka vs God?

This ranking isn’t about winning multiple Super Bowls, it’s about a single season. That’s how these teams are being judged. If the 85 Bears weren’t so great then why are the 72 Dolphins the only team that’s ranked ahead of them in most rankings? I got news for you the 1985 Chicago Bears are ranked either number one or number two all-time in practically every ranking. They’re ranked number one in this ranking, while the 92 Cowboys are ranked 22nd. This ranking has the 71 and 77 Cowboys ranked ahead of the 92 Cowboys. You make it sound like the 85 Bears weren’t even that good. Lol You sound like a typical, casual beer guzzling Cowboys fan.

https://syndication.bleacherreport....nfl-teams-of-all-time-super-bowl-era.amp.html

 

[Flamma]

It's close as he does kinda double clutch the ball at the point of the catch but I think his left hand stayed on the ball the whole way so by today's rules I think he would qualify as having taken a 3rd step and then the ball is knocked out for the fumble. I figure 1984 rules were simpler and he had to have 2 feet down. If they count the double clutch, then he didn't before the ball got knocked loose but if you don't, he took 3 steps before losing it.

Your observations are true, but the refs are seeing this, and judging this at full speed. I just think they got it wrong on that one play. Because back then they'd rule a fumble on bang bang plays that took less time than that. No instant replay. Whatever they ruled on the field stands. But maybe you're right. Maybe the ref thought he saw the ball moving, I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. But that one call changed the game drastically.

 

[MarcusRock]

Your observations are true, but the refs are seeing this, and judging this at full speed. I just think they got it wrong on that one play. Because back then they'd rule a fumble on bang bang plays that took less time than that. No instant replay. Whatever they ruled on the field stands. But maybe you're right. Maybe the ref thought he saw the ball moving, I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. But that one call changed the game drastically.

I still think SF would have won. We all play the what if game with the Jackie Smith dropped TD but we couldn't stop the Steelers offense and just didn't play a clean game. We needed an onside kick just to get as close as we did. I think the same would have happened here and the better team would have won anyways.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

We can all play the what if game, just go back to the Dez catch some think against the chez heads. Even if that is called a TD, how many think we were going to stop Mr. State Farm from getting in FG range for the win. Even on one leg.

 

[Nova]

I'd put the '98 Vikings up against anyone on that list.

They were one of the best teams I've ever seen.

They're neck and neck with the 07 Patriots, IMO. Both deserve to be just outside the GOAT team consideration with a few notable SB winning teams.


In retrospect, the 98 season was wild at the top. It's no surprise the Vikings didn't win it all that year, despite being ridiculously good.

15-1 Vikings
14-2 Broncos
14-2 Falcons

 

[Flamma]

I still think SF would have won. We all play the what if game with the Jackie Smith dropped TD but we couldn't stop the Steelers offense and just didn't play a clean game. We needed an onside kick just to get as close as we did. I think the same would have happened here and the better team would have won anyways.

Me too. Looking back, the 49ers were the better team, and played like the better team. Miami needed fortune to break their way.

On SB 13. I was a kid then, and there was one sequence of plays I remember clearly. I was not confident the Cowboys could beat them. But when Henderson and another LB mugged Terry Bradshaw, stripped him of the ball, and ran it in for the TD, I had hope. Terry was woozy, and we had the lead. Man was I happy. For about a commercial break. Then the Stallworth catch and run, and everything went south from there.