Big 12 is keeping me interested

[jterrell]

That "moribund conference" beat your champion two years ago in the Fiesta Bowl, and knocked off #8 Florida State in the Peach Bowl this past season. A little respect seems in order, imo.

hard to respect a conference i cant even name.
i literally do not recall it's name.

but no, one team playing well and beating some team in a bowl game that was hugely disappointed to be there doesn't mean much to me.

HOU was very good last year for sure. Enjoy that.

But no the Big 12 doesn't appear to want you. UT may want your Coach though. Same as TAMU took Sumlin and Kliff and Baylor took Briles.
Tech's been pretty happy with the DC we took too.

 

[jterrell]

Just to correct you...BYU IS pushing to join the Big 12.

BYU is the leading candidate by a million miles.
It has it's own TV network which makes a fortune and the Big 12 is only major conf where it could keep it.

It also brings a mass nationwide following and would easily win TV markets in Salt Lake and any LDS strongholds.
No great partners from that area really though Boise St/Colo St "could" work.

 

[coogrfan]

hard to respect a conference i cant even name.
i literally do not recall it's name.

American Athletic Conference. You would do well to remember the name; when UT decides it's time to seek greener pastures, there are going to be several B12 schools on the outside looking in...including TT.

but no, one team playing well and beating some team in a bowl game that was hugely disappointed to be there doesn't mean much to me.

Typical Entitled 5 fan arrogance. When one of the so-called P5 programs wins a high profile bowl game that's just proof of how awesome they are, but when they lose? "Meh...we didn't care".

HOU was very good last year for sure. Enjoy that.

But no the Big 12 doesn't appear to want you. UT may want your Coach though. Same as TAMU took Sumlin and Kliff and Baylor took Briles. Tech's been pretty happy with the DC we took too.

You, sir, cannot see the forest for the trees.

Yes, we've lost several good coaches in recent years. And you know what? Every time we do we find another. That's why UH has been one most successful G5 programs over the last decade.

 

[jterrell]

American Athletic Conference. You would do well to remember the name; when UT decides it's time to seek greener pastures, there are going to be several B12 schools on the outside looking in...including TT.



Typical Entitled 5 fan arrogance. When one of the so-called P5 programs wins a high profile bowl game that's just proof of how awesome they are, but when they lose? "Meh...we didn't care".



You, sir, cannot see the forest for the trees.

Yes, we've lost several good coaches in recent years. And you know what? Every time we do we find another. That's why UH has been one most successful G5 programs over the last decade.

You are getting butt hurt over me pointing out the obvious.
I am not lambasting U of H as Cougar High or anything of the sort.

I am pointing out the obvious. Houston is just not being considered by the Big 12 or any major conference.
They have been a stepping stone job.

Houston was not in the top 25 for wins the previous decade as of August 2015.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/bes...-best-record-boise-state-ohio-state-most-wins

 

[coogrfan]

You are getting butt hurt over me pointing out the obvious.
I am not lambasting U of H as Cougar High or anything of the sort.

I'm don't mean to come across as "butt hurt". I just find your combination of unwarranted arrogance and willful ignorance to be extremely annoying.

I am pointing out the obvious. Houston is just not being considered by the Big 12 or any major conference.

And you know that...how? I haven't read a single expansion related article in the last few years that didn't at least mention Houston as a possibilty. Perhaps you know something those writers did not?

They have been a stepping stone job.

I won't deny that, but I will point out that in spite of that we have been extremely successful.

Houston was not in the top 25 for wins the previous decade as of August 2015.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/bes...-best-record-boise-state-ohio-state-most-wins

"One of the most successful G5 programs over the last decade" in this instance was intended to mean 2006-2015.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2006

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Note: Cinci spent 7 of those 10 years as a member of a BCS conference.

Another factor to consider: UH has been winning with only a fraction of the financial resources available to the other successful programs:
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For the time frame of the article you cited UH had 81 wins, which would likely place them just outside their top 25.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Why are we arguing about the Houston Cougars and the big 12?

I think even most realistic cougar fans realize they probably are not going to be in the big 12.

Fair or not I think most realize this if they are honest with themselves.

So, like in the WVU expansion forum, we have a TT fans and Cougar fans arguing for no notable reason other than they don't like each other's teams.

 

[jterrell]

Why are we arguing about the Houston Cougars and the big 12?

I think even most realistic cougar fans realize they probably are not going to be in the big 12.

Fair or not I think most realize this if they are honest with themselves.

So, like in the WVU expansion forum, we have a TT fans and Cougar fans arguing for no notable reason other than they don't like each other's teams.

I don't dislike Houston at all, merely noted as you suggest the chances of them getting in the Big 12 are pretty slim.

I am glad the league may grow to 14. And I am glad they are talking about taking in programs with high upsides and thinking longer term.

 

[jterrell]

I believe BYU, CINCY are in. Another 2 would be ideal but not sure whom that may be.
I'd go USF/UCF for recruiting and growth potential.

But UConn/Colo St may well be the choices.

I don't see HOU or MEM as in.

 

[coogrfan]

I believe BYU, CINCY are in. Another 2 would be ideal but not sure whom that may be.
I'd go USF/UCF for recruiting and growth potential.

But UConn/Colo St may well be the choices.

I don't see HOU or MEM as in.

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[jterrell]

Clay Travis is suggesting BYU/CINCY/MEM/UCF
I'd take USF before Memphis but can see why he chose those 4.

Cowlishaw suggests HOU get in for a 7 team Texas/OU conf.

Going to fun to see.

And this will probably mean the existing Big 12 teams get a raise equivalent to the ACC teams who just created a new network....
Nice business deal for the Big 12.

And don't let it be lost on you that the Big 12 third tier rights which are now belonging to the schools and them alone could still be grouped and sold once the Longhorn Network dies.
And it will be the last rights available for purchase. ALL other P5 confs have sold 3rd tier rights.
Big 12 is only ball game for what may well be a sellers market.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

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Ok..this cracked me up.

 

[coogrfan]

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

From all of the DIFFERENT twitter, reporters, "insiders", and the like it seems like the only two for sure names I keep seeing is BYU and Cincy.

The others vary and vary quite a bit.

By that some are adamant that Memphis is in, some say that there are people who are big money people related to Memphis who are very very confident that they are in now.

There are others that say that Memphis is not even being considered among the four possible candidates.

There were some contacts at one time that said HOUSTON was never going to get an invite into the Big 12 because they already have UT, TT, Baylor and TCU and don't need yet another Texas team.
Now I am seeing some that think that Houston is one of the four and seem to think so with high confidence.

So I apologize to @coogrfan for saying it was no way earlier because there seems to be a chance..some would say very good chance that it could happen.

Another example is UCONN....some say they want UC and UConn for the east side of the conference...others say no. I actually seen one idiot (and yes I think his tweet was idiotic) that though maybe they would take UCONN in Football only...which would be silly as hell as a UCONN has two selling points IMO....They can get some of the NY tv market...and they have great basketball.

Others say that the Florida teams are also to be considered. One or the other depending on who you read.

Now to Colorado State....at one time they were not even in the conversation among people...then all of a sudden they were the hot name a few weeks ago and now seems to be kind of cooling down.

Few other side notes of possible interest.

Former Colorado and UCLA Head Coach Rick Neuhisel (sp?) was recently on a radio or TV show and was saying that Colorado should go back to the Big 12 and that maybe UCLA should call and talk to the Big 12. Seemed odd.

Kansas State legendary HC Snyder recently said to someone that he knows of two coaches/teams that wish they could come BACK to Big 12. Everyone thought of Colorado right off the bat...the other team is a mystery.

Should be an intersting month or two.

 

[Tabascocat]

From all of the DIFFERENT twitter, reporters, "insiders", and the like it seems like the only two for sure names I keep seeing is BYU and Cincy.

The others vary and vary quite a bit.

By that some are adamant that Memphis is in, some say that there are people who are big money people related to Memphis who are very very confident that they are in now.

There are others that say that Memphis is not even being considered among the four possible candidates.

There were some contacts at one time that said HOUSTON was never going to get an invite into the Big 12 because they already have UT, TT, Baylor and TCU and don't need yet another Texas team.
Now I am seeing some that think that Houston is one of the four and seem to think so with high confidence.

So I apologize to @coogrfan for saying it was no way earlier because there seems to be a chance..some would say very good chance that it could happen.

Another example is UCONN....some say they want UC and UConn for the east side of the conference...others say no. I actually seen one idiot (and yes I think his tweet was idiotic) that though maybe they would take UCONN in Football only...which would be silly as hell as a UCONN has two selling points IMO....They can get some of the NY tv market...and they have great basketball.

Others say that the Florida teams are also to be considered. One or the other depending on who you read.

Now to Colorado State....at one time they were not even in the conversation among people...then all of a sudden they were the hot name a few weeks ago and now seems to be kind of cooling down.

Few other side notes of possible interest.

Former Colorado and UCLA Head Coach Rick Neuhisel (sp?) was recently on a radio or TV show and was saying that Colorado should go back to the Big 12 and that maybe UCLA should call and talk to the Big 12. Seemed odd.

Kansas State legendary HC Snyder recently said to someone that he knows of two coaches/teams that wish they could come BACK to Big 12. Everyone thought of Colorado right off the bat...the other team is a mystery.

Should be an intersting month or two.

So, in other words, you(we) have no idea

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So, in other words, you(we) have no idea

From all of the different areas and sources it would seem that UC and BYU are in. That seems to be the only two names that the different sources agree on. And different people have different sources...some get sources from Texas, some from OU, some from WVU, some from various Members in the Big 12 FO. Some from the various teams FOs.

The other two are really the ones that have so much differences in the names and the levels of confidence.

Keep in mind as well...this very well could be nothing more than who will accept the lowest offer.

Some are writing that the Big 12 is going to really really lowball these new teams into a smaller graduated amount of money per year and may very well never become full share members. They seem to indicate that the Big 12 sees this as one of those buyer's market situations and that the Big 12 is the only P5 that is opening up to these G5 teams and they have the upper hand and if the G5 teams want in bad enough they will settle for less. I don't know if there is truth to all of this but when they had the Big 12 Teleconference Boren and Bowlsby did mention negotiating with teams. So who knows.

So as of right now all members of the Big 12 have equal shares (not counting tier 3 money) from their espn/fox contract...WVU and TCU start their full shares this year. So each teams gets about $30. (again this does not count LHN or other teams tier 3 deals or any new money from the Championship game).


The current contract that the Big 12 has says that no matter who they add (up to a total of 14 teams in the conference) that the contract will pay out an additional full share amount per team TO THE CONFERENCE.

So even though the new teams would not be getting the full shares...the big 12 would be. 4 teams $30 amount per team is another $120 million per year to the conference.

So if the new teams coming in agree to a graduated amount per year. I also do not know about any payouts that the Big 12 or the teams would have to pay to the AAC for any teams leaving the AAC.

But what I was talking about earlier is that they make lowaball these teams into starting out with only 5-10 million a year and instead of eventually getting the full share they top off at 10-20 million a year. All of that extra money per year would be divided up among the existing full share teams.

So if the contract pays the big 12 say $120 million more with 4 more teams ($30 million per team added)....but the Big 12 only pays the new four teams $5 million in the first year...that leaves $100 million to divide among the 10 full share teams meaning they would get $10 million dollars which means they would have about $40 million dollars per team for that year which does not include the money they make on their tier 3 deals since we have no conference network.

 

[Tabascocat]

I gave up trying to figure out what might happen, will just watch it unfold

 

[coogrfan]

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[BrAinPaiNt]

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Looks like the Texas Gov has tweeted in favor of Houston joining the Big 12. Also word is that Chip Brown (some consider a texas insider) said that Texas would NOT block Houston from coming into the Big 12.

More and more, at least for today, it seems like they are gaining steam as on of the possible 2-4 teams.

 

[jimmy40]

Texas and OU can not be in the same division in a watered down Big 12. No way.

 

[jimmy40]

Clay Travis is suggesting BYU/CINCY/MEM/UCF
I'd take USF before Memphis but can see why he chose those 4.

Cowlishaw suggests HOU get in for a 7 team Texas/OU conf.

Going to fun to see.

And this will probably mean the existing Big 12 teams get a raise equivalent to the ACC teams who just created a new network....
Nice business deal for the Big 12.

And don't let it be lost on you that the Big 12 third tier rights which are now belonging to the schools and them alone could still be grouped and sold once the Longhorn Network dies.
And it will be the last rights available for purchase. ALL other P5 confs have sold 3rd tier rights.
Big 12 is only ball game for what may well be a sellers market.

doesn't BYU have their own network.?