Big 12 is keeping me interested

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From all of the different areas and sources it would seem that UC and BYU are in. That seems to be the only two names that the different sources agree on. And different people have different sources...some get sources from Texas, some from OU, some from WVU, some from various Members in the Big 12 FO. Some from the various teams FOs.

The other two are really the ones that have so much differences in the names and the levels of confidence.

Keep in mind as well...this very well could be nothing more than who will accept the lowest offer.

Some are writing that the Big 12 is going to really really lowball these new teams into a smaller graduated amount of money per year and may very well never become full share members. They seem to indicate that the Big 12 sees this as one of those buyer's market situations and that the Big 12 is the only P5 that is opening up to these G5 teams and they have the upper hand and if the G5 teams want in bad enough they will settle for less. I don't know if there is truth to all of this but when they had the Big 12 Teleconference Boren and Bowlsby did mention negotiating with teams. So who knows.

So as of right now all members of the Big 12 have equal shares (not counting tier 3 money) from their espn/fox contract...WVU and TCU start their full shares this year. So each teams gets about $30. (again this does not count LHN or other teams tier 3 deals or any new money from the Championship game).


The current contract that the Big 12 has says that no matter who they add (up to a total of 14 teams in the conference) that the contract will pay out an additional full share amount per team TO THE CONFERENCE.

So even though the new teams would not be getting the full shares...the big 12 would be. 4 teams $30 amount per team is another $120 million per year to the conference.

So if the new teams coming in agree to a graduated amount per year. I also do not know about any payouts that the Big 12 or the teams would have to pay to the AAC for any teams leaving the AAC.

But what I was talking about earlier is that they make lowaball these teams into starting out with only 5-10 million a year and instead of eventually getting the full share they top off at 10-20 million a year. All of that extra money per year would be divided up among the existing full share teams.

So if the contract pays the big 12 say $120 million more with 4 more teams ($30 million per team added)....but the Big 12 only pays the new four teams $5 million in the first year...that leaves $100 million to divide among the 10 full share teams meaning they would get $10 million dollars which means they would have about $40 million dollars per team for that year which does not include the money they make on their tier 3 deals since we have no conference network.

Good summation.

Fox/ESPN will increase TV money for each team added. The teams will receive less money than full shares so the current members will get increased revenue for 3-5 years.
That's why 14 is more likely than 12.

The Big 12 has found a way to make more money for it's existing members while allowing teams to come in and develop.

They have indicated potential is a big selling point. So schools who they feel would really rise from Big 12 exposure benefit.
I tend to believe that's most of them.

Teams: I am with you that BYU/Cincy are considered locks. Big 12 officials were apologetic they didn't let Cincy and Louisville in before to get to 12.

The other 2 does seem to be depending upon whom you talk to.


As I mentioned earlier in the thread going to 12 doesn't make much financial sense.
Lose some share of Big 12 champ game or Tourney game per team and 2 additional teams TV money doesn't mean more than breaking about even.
But 4 or 6 teams additional TV money would be significant.

My guess is the 4 new teams get smaller shares the first 5 years. Possibly increasing year over year or just an even 50% share for all years.

In the end it's pretty clear they;ve found a way to add teams, make everyone in the conf now more money and set up a brighter future.

Synder was referring to Colorado and Nebraska. Colo has been awful in the Pac and losing Texas recruiting has murdered it for football.
Nebraska wants to play Big 10 football in style and get Big 10 payouts but it's fans lament the loss of UT/OU as opponents and again Texas recruiting ground was always a massive player them.

Colorado could likely come back. They'd make the same or more money upon return they are for the Pac and lend a solid partner for BYU.
They'd welcome a return to playing old Big 8 teams.

It makes sense for Nebraska to return from a winning or coaching stand point but they'd lose money so that won't be happening.

Aggies are making money but looking at some lean football years while stuck in the SEC West. But they are far too proud to ever suggest returning.
Even if their fan base would secretly love it.
 

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doesn't BYU have their own network.?

yes they do.
but that's 3rd tier rights and all Big 12 schools retain their own 3rd tier rights.

If they pool those for a network Longhorns and BYU would have to give up those rights.

BYU could actually still operate a network IMHO but Texas probably couldn't. --BYU could focus on non sporting aspects and get away with 4th tier sports.
 

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http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=News-Notes--Quotes--July-22


The behind-the-scenes politicking for the Big 12 is already coming to light.
Texas’ governor and lieutenant governor both tweeted their support for Houston to join the league, and University of Texas president Greg Fenves did the same. Why? The Austin American-Statesman reports UH would drop its opposition to UT expanding into Houston in exchange for UH’s entrance into the Big 12.

But there are several factors against the Cougars. For one, eight Big 12 teams need to vote yes, and non-Texas schools aren’t high on adding another Texas school. In addition, leaving the AAC requires 27 months’ notice, but it’s unclear if a team could buy its way out of that.

Of course, it wouldn’t be the first time politics led to a team joining a conference. It's how Virginia Tech joined the ACC and was a big factor in which Texas schools joined the Big 12 when it formed.

- Here’s a list of teams that have publicly declared their hopes to be in the Big 12 — subtly and not-so-subtly:

Houston
Memphis
Colorado State
Tulane
UCF
BYU
East Carolina
SMU
 

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I just realized this is over/under expected wins. My bad.
 

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Here's a recent article on the topic of TV contracts, the Big 12 expansion, and overall power conference impact.

Big 12 Expansion Also Impacts Big Ten and SEC

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"The Big 12's battle with Fox and ESPN over expansion isn't just about the future of the Big 12, it's about the future of several major conferences in college athletics.

The Big 12 is trying to expand now, but that expansion just might be the equivalent of a man on death row eating his last meal.

Sure, it's filling, but you don't have much time to enjoy it.

Because right now the Big 12 is a dead conference walking. "
 

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Various different sources, some who argue that other sources are full of it, have all seemed to narrowed it down to four teams.

Cincy
UCONN
Houston
BYU
 

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Various different sources, some who argue that other sources are full of it, have all seemed to narrowed it down to four teams.

Cincy
UCONN
Houston
BYU


I hope not on BYU, theyre gonna want football only, and I hate that....join the conference in all sports or ***....plus, we dont need anymore private religious schools anyway....
 

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Various different sources, some who argue that other sources are full of it, have all seemed to narrowed it down to four teams.

Cincy
UCONN
Houston
BYU

an interesting 4some for sure.
wonder who TV wants brought in?
That might be a TV driven list.
 

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an interesting 4some for sure.
wonder who TV wants brought in?
That might be a TV driven list.

Have read two different people with two different sources say that ESPN does not really want any more teams due to the pro-rata clause in the contract but would be ok with them expanding anyway. Fox however is the ones who are willing to bump the contract up some and according to one source had a list of about 10 teams that would be on their OK list for expansion. Pretty much the names everyone knows already.

Again that is from the twitterverse so take it with a grain of salt but when it is from two different people with different sources my ears tend to perk up. Esp when the two people are normally on different pages as far as info goes.
 

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Have read two different people with two different sources say that ESPN does not really want any more teams due to the pro-rata clause in the contract but would be ok with them expanding anyway. Fox however is the ones who are willing to bump the contract up some and according to one source had a list of about 10 teams that would be on their OK list for expansion. Pretty much the names everyone knows already.

Again that is from the twitterverse so take it with a grain of salt but when it is from two different people with different sources my ears tend to perk up. Esp when the two people are normally on different pages as far as info goes.
Fox definitely is OK with this because they've got all the extra channels to drive so want more football content.
ESPN has far less channels and really doesn't wanna pay more money but is legally obligated.

Think the Big 12 is reacting largely to the networks giving up big bucks to the ACC for a network deal.
B12 was against expansion previously because the networks were but they took the big money ACC deal as a slap in the face.

ESPN's ACC deal made the Big 12 pursue expansion again

But actual expansion teams seems to change every tweet; reporting on this is very biased.
Hilarious how the media people had almost instantaneous network rumor talk.
Obviously they were fed info by biased (media) parties.
And it's pretty clear these huge TV money content deals is costing network people jobs.
People want to watch football, not Skip Bayless.

I am excited about expansion because it's new blood and avoiding a 9 game round robin is great for playoff chances.
 

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Texas Tech had an East and West bracket for possible Big 12 expansion, with voting at each round

.Big 12 Expansion Bracket: The Winners


BYU won the West...no big surprise
but
ECU won the East...almost certainly due to their rabid fan base (way stronger than the other East bracket teams USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis...just look at attendance) getting involved. But that won't happen.

Like most here, I see BYU and Cincy as the front runners.
Houston is getting some powerful Texas backing, but I think the rest of the league would vote them down.
 

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Have read two different people with two different sources say that ESPN does not really want any more teams due to the pro-rata clause in the contract but would be ok with them expanding anyway. Fox however is the ones who are willing to bump the contract up some and according to one source had a list of about 10 teams that would be on their OK list for expansion. Pretty much the names everyone knows already.

Again that is from the twitterverse so take it with a grain of salt but when it is from two different people with different sources my ears tend to perk up. Esp when the two people are normally on different pages as far as info goes.

i think uconn getting in would be a sign espn has a say.
maybe a compromise.
 

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I will welcome any schools that get in but I like the top 4.
It would mean no real travel partner for BYU but not sure that matters much.
They can afford to travel and do already.

If UConn leapfrogs one of those 4 it is probably because of ESPN.
 

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Cincinnati
The Dallas Morning News today said the clear front runner all along has been Cincinnati. They say the lone obstical could be West Virginia--who may prefer a different Eastern school that wouldn't overlap their tug as much. UConn maybe? NFL town team with so-so attendance.

BYU
Major issue is their hardline policies on LGBT community. Very possibly a deal breaker all by itself...and continuous conference boycott potential. Otherwise, they are a very strong top two front runner. Great national following and game day attendance.

Houston
Texas schools mostly approve but most others do not. The Big12 would like to combat Texas AM in Houston recruiting. So-so attendance, like most teams in NFL towns. DMN says Houston could be a bargaining chip.

UCF
Clear run at the huge Florida market. Huge school but a commuter school with poor attendance.

Colorado State
They are considered much more of possibility now than just 6 months ago. A chance to gain some foothold in the Rockies.

UConn
NE TV market and strong basketball to go with the package. As mentioned before, may be favored over Cincy by WVU.

ECU
Best attendance and fan base except for BYU. NC is a top 9 state in population and rising
But a long shot at best.
 

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Another DMN update

The Big 12 has asked all schools that have expressed interest to submit a video sales pitch. I think it's more than 20 schools.
It's not that many of these schools have a chance but the Big 12 rightly feels that they should at least be able to sell their program if they have an interest.

BYU, who was once a leader, is now having some issue. The LGBT stance is one thing, but they are also being investigated for how they have handled sexual harassment and/or rape allegations. That's a touchy topic given Baylor's miserable failure in that area....and so recently.

Pretty much all of the non-Texas schools have issue with Houston. Now Ok State's Gundy has piled on come out against them. They are still one of the leaders though.

Cincy is still probably the overall leader.
 

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Saw this in the DMN today and thought some the Houston fans here might like it.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/c...ool-reputation-prove-can-hang-big-12-boys?f=r
 
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