Big 12 looking to add 4 PAC 12 teams

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At some stage ND will have to join a conference. A few years of mediocre teams could kill their rights values - no team is good forever. Better doing it sooner when they have clout. They'll also face a Washington Football Team scenario in the coming years re: their name/logo which will hurt income and reputation.
Yawn.
Gomers have been saying this for about 30 years or so.
 

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Science labs kill you, for starters. Almost always in the afternoon or early evenings when practice is going on. And of course, you can't really fall behind or make up the work.
3-4 of those per semester can be brutal.

And yeah, a business major is not comparable.
Science Labs are the freaking worst.
Always stupid times and you get like 12 a semester so miss one and you are basically hosed.
Athletics advisors steer athletes away from these classes for a reason.
But some of the nerdy kids need them to become doctors and such.
 

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Yawn.
Gomers have been saying this for about 30 years or so.
It is awesome that people actually post this take like they haven't joined a conference already for all sports but football and half joined the ACC in that sport.

Notre Dame likely does NOT have to join a conference because they appear to be able to get 75+M on their own and they appear to have a clear path to the CFP with ACC tie-in and coming 16 game CFP.

BUT, they may well do so all the same. The quotes are from the ND AD and detail why they may. When you start hearing academics bandied about you know it's been seriously discussed because that is pure direct to school faculty talk.
And he didn't just give the B1G commish his flowers publicly for grins. That is an appealing conf for Notre Dame, the most appealing option there has ever been.
100+M pay out. 80% of your traditional rivalries with games in front of the big donors and local travel partners galore in the supreme Academic conference.

Still, they may avoid all that and stay Independent. It would cost real money to buy those ACC road games out. They do love their independence.
 

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It is awesome that people actually post this take like they haven't joined a conference already for all sports but football and half joined the ACC in that sport.


Still, they may avoid all that and stay Independent. It would cost real money to buy those ACC road games out. They do love their independence.

This will be a fascinating watch in the coming years. Do the SEC and Big10 add even more teams (20 to 24) and eventually leave the NCAA in football and do a 16 team playoff with just the 2 conferences? Try and force ND to join. Could the big10 add a 10th conference game and cancel all games with ND? I'm sure there are so many moving parts behind the scenes with the conferences and tv networks we will never know about.
 

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This will be a fascinating watch in the coming years. Do the SEC and Big10 add even more teams (20 to 24) and eventually leave the NCAA in football and do a 16 team playoff with just the 2 conferences? Try and force ND to join. Could the big10 add a 10th conference game and cancel all games with ND? I'm sure there are so many moving parts behind the scenes with the conferences and tv networks we will never know about.
My gut has said all along I think there will be 3 major conferences in the long run but that may not be until 2035 or so.
SEC/B1G likely can't grow enough to pull it off with just 2 but 3 conferences of 20-24 teams would be a large enough swath to not alienate that many viewers. 60 might be iffy but 72 def carries the majority fans with them to Super League D1 or whatever they call it.
Some data scientists will know these actual numbers, but I'd guess somewhere around 64-68 you start to get penalized for every fan base you remove.

The Big 12/ACC/PAC arguments are because all three confs and their fan bases feel that heat.
We/They should all be mad at the SEC/B1G but that's not how it works of course.

One way it could work is to see B1G break the PAC by taking Oregon/Stanford/WAS and Notre Dame. That gets them to 20.
SEC then wants to match but also wants to be aggressive to get to that final number so they invite 6-8 ACC schools to apply.
B1G says hold up lil buddy and also expands with 2-4 ACC teams.
That total would break the ACC grant of rights via vote and mean cost them essentially zero.
Which gets them out of a cheap TV deal with ESPN.
This leaves Big 12 as 3rd man standing and they take the ACC stragglers and PAC pieces of value to get to 20-24 as well.
A distant 3rd conf but the one that stretches coast to coast with all 4 time zones worth of games to broadcast.
And the one likely stuck playing Thursday and Friday nights.

Long term all these confs have to start looking at time slots and streaming service buys.
They want to fill their major TV time slots for ad revenue (Tier 1 and 2) and ALSO
fan bases who will fork over 9.99 a month for their service(Tier 3/4) then pay a package fee (say 60 bucks) for their college football streams.

Of course you could see the PAC or ACC become that 3rd conference as well.
It just feels tougher to line that up logically, but I am also a Big 12 homer.
If ESPN wanted ot just toss the 15 years left on their ACC contract and massively increase it, you'd like the ACC's chance a heck of a lot more.
But I'm still not sure that would appease FSU/Clemson/UNC/VA who have to view SEC/B1G at a massive cut above any other option.
 

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At some stage ND will have to join a conference. A few years of mediocre teams could kill their rights values - no team is good forever. Better doing it sooner when they have clout. They'll also face a Washington Football Team scenario in the coming years re: their name/logo which will hurt income and reputation.

LOL.
 

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It is awesome that people actually post this take like they haven't joined a conference already for all sports but football and half joined the ACC in that sport.

Notre Dame likely does NOT have to join a conference because they appear to be able to get 75+M on their own and they appear to have a clear path to the CFP with ACC tie-in and coming 16 game CFP.

BUT, they may well do so all the same. The quotes are from the ND AD and detail why they may. When you start hearing academics bandied about you know it's been seriously discussed because that is pure direct to school faculty talk.
And he didn't just give the B1G commish his flowers publicly for grins. That is an appealing conf for Notre Dame, the most appealing option there has ever been.
100+M pay out. 80% of your traditional rivalries with games in front of the big donors and local travel partners galore in the supreme Academic conference.

Still, they may avoid all that and stay Independent. It would cost real money to buy those ACC road games out. They do love their independence.
Wah wah wah

I love how you gomers rant and rave about this. Independence is all about football; so once again a moronic comment talking about other sports.
As regards Swarbrick, he is like Jerry. Loves to hear himself talk. IF you bothered to look at some of his comments over the years you would see how much of that was garbage.
Just more ignorance.
 

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Wah wah wah

I love how you gomers rant and rave about this. Independence is all about football; so once again a moronic comment talking about other sports.
As regards Swarbrick, he is like Jerry. Loves to hear himself talk. IF you bothered to look at some of his comments over the years you would see how much of that was garbage.
Just more ignorance.
You keep posting drivel.
Notre Dame has aligned with the ACC which is about half a step short of joining a conference for FOOTBALL.
So no they are not just doing what they have done with zero change for the last 100 years.
Its a really goofy point that ignores reality.

All that said they do value the football independence and likely can remain so.
But like every school in every conference, they'll weigh their options and do what is best for them.
The NBC contract isn't up til 2025 so we may not know anything for 6-12 more months.

As the B1G deal gets completed, attention will shift to the PAC.
The Big 12 and ND will be up right after that.
 

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They'll also face a Washington Football Team scenario in the coming years re: their name/logo which will hurt income and reputation.
Yeah we Irish are really pissed at that logo.... :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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You keep posting drivel.
Notre Dame has aligned with the ACC which is about half a step short of joining a conference for FOOTBALL.
So no they are not just doing what they have done with zero change for the last 100 years.
Its a really goofy point that ignores reality.

All that said they do value the football independence and likely can remain so.
But like every school in every conference, they'll weigh their options and do what is best for them.
The NBC contract isn't up til 2025 so we may not know anything for 6-12 more months.

As the B1G deal gets completed, attention will shift to the PAC.
The Big 12 and ND will be up right after that.
more garbage.
Latest news makes you look dumber than ever...

I love it!
 

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Canzano: Pac-12 on high alert after Big Ten reveal (johncanzano.com)

There are some other tricky nuances at work, too. For example, Kliavkoff’s conference can’t provide inventory to any potential television partners before 2 p.m. Eastern Time. The Big 12 can. ESPN may value that. So may NBC and Fox/FS1, who still may be hunting for a few early games to fill in their schedules.

The biggest advantage that the Pac-12 has right now is the Pacific Time Zone, which leaves ESPN and the streamers as the most likely options. But it’s becoming evident that the Pac-12 doesn’t have a long line of suitors to create valuable leverage.

Said Bob Thompson: “I still think ESPN will be the Pac-12’s primary carrier, I just think Big 12 will have more bidders.”
 

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more garbage.
Latest news makes you look dumber than ever...

I love it!
L O L. Imagine reading this very long thread with ALL my posts and what has happened since the original post and thinking I am the one that is wrong.................................
 

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L O L. Imagine reading this very long thread with ALL my posts and what has happened since the original post and thinking I am the one that is wrong.................................
The more someone posts the less they say
You are the perfect example of that
By the way ND apparently made the deal and is getting around $70 million and...
Guess what....
THEY ARE STILL FOOTBALL INDEPENDENT!
suck it loser.
 

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L O L. Imagine reading this very long thread with ALL my posts and what has happened since the original post and thinking I am the one that is wrong.................................
Well, you have spent an awful lot of time at the start of this thread arguing how this time it's different and ND finally has to join a conference in football - an argument people have been making for 35 years BTW - and talking down to people like me who said it likely would not happen....

Now your statement hasn't been proven wrong (yet) but I sure wouldn't be thumpin' my chest right now about how it has been (or will be) proven right.
 
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The more someone posts the less they say
You are the perfect example of that
By the way ND apparently made the deal and is getting around $70 million and...
Guess what....
THEY ARE STILL FOOTBALL INDEPENDENT!
suck it loser.
I never said they wouldn't be goober.

I said it was a real possibility, but it was likely they remained independent if they got the money they wanted from NBC.
I said the B1G provided them the most serious offer they ever had and ND has in fact moved toward conference alignment for a decade+.
They have not remained pat for 100 years as goofballs love to post.
You have added zero data, analysis even discussion to this thread.
 

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I never said they wouldn't be goober.

I said it was a real possibility, but it was likely they remained independent if they got the money they wanted from NBC.
I said the B1G provided them the most serious offer they ever had and ND has in fact moved toward conference alignment for a decade+.
They have not remained pat for 100 years as goofballs love to post.
You have added zero data, analysis even discussion to this thread.
bored now. Actually you have been boring for a while.
Your constant drivel is truly mind numbing.
 

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Well, you have spent an awful lot of time at the start of this thread arguing how this time it's different and ND finally has to join a conference in football - an argument people have been making for 35 years BTW - and talking down to people like me who said it likely would not happen....

Now your statement hasn't been proven wrong (yet) but I sure wouldn't be thumpin' my chest right now about how it has been (or will be) proven right.
Hey he must be running for office by how he can post so much and say so little.
 
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