Bill bashing in vogue right now

[iceberg]

Oh, I don't know, I used to have a hard time bashing Bill Parcells. Not because I couldn't, but because in the minds of so many he (as we so often got reminded) wasn't Dave Campo. I never understood that mentality personally. No one is so good at what they do that there can't be negative opinions expressed. Name me one player or coach in any sport who the whole world agrees is flawless.

Didn't think so.

I was pretty critical of Parcells the last couple of years and I openly admit, I said he'd be here 6 years and we'd win 2 Super Bowls in those 6 years. I don't regret saying that, but I do have to admit he ddin't even come close to my expectations. Especially after year 1 when he won 10 games with scrubs everywhere.

He didn't want star players to be the face of the organization. That was his role. The problem with that is simple, star players help you win. I'm just not a fan of the 5 year rebuild plan. Then when he had players to be aggressive, he was still designing conservative game plans.

Think about it. The players speaking out now are nothing new. Drew Bledsoe asked him in 2005 to take the brakes off the offense. The 2 games that he did had great success. Why do players complain? Because they believe that if given a chance they can beat the other guy.

You can play the percentages, which is what we did for 4 years here, but shouldn't be surprised when the results are above .500, but below expectations.

In reality the players are NOT taking shots at Bill Parcells. What they are doing is showing faith in their own abilities to make plays.

I have never been a fan of reacting to what the other team is doing. Screw that, let them react to what we are doing. Then if they stop us, we extend our hand and say "damn good job" and tip our hats to them in tribute.

and i said he'd never win a playoff game as a cowboys coach cause what he was doing made so little sense to me on an org level.

but i also thought henson would be starting for us by now. : ) or should have been long ago. : )

 

[WV Cowboy]

Let's be honest here, ... when Parcells signed on, we all thought that after fours years with him as our HC, the Cowboys would have more to show than a "good talent base."

I know I did.

I was thrilled when he got here, but it was OK with me when he left.

Sic'em Wade !

 

[Hoov]

The past 4 years did not come close to my expectations either.

But one thing im hearing a lot of now, all about how laid back phillips is. Hope he doesnt let the players have too much freedom.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not for everybody. Not for me. There were things that I didn't like in the Parcells era but on the whole, he did the right things for the franchise IMO.

When Bill Parcells was first signed, I made mention of the fact that many would not like him and that was a true statement. Not because of the fact that he would win or not win but because many would see his style of football as unimaginative and archaic. I believed his personality would wear on many and it did.

None the less, it is my opinion that we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Bill Parcells. He made the hard decisions and he brought order to kaos. He repleced the worst talent base in football with one of the best and youngest IMO. We are in better cap position then we have ever been in the history of the franchise. Everybody is intitled to there own opinions but I will not lay more wood on the bonfire.

I appriciate what Parcells did and the legacy he has left us with.

 

[Zaxor]

Haha... this thread cracks me up... no one absolutely no one should be defending Purrcells... he was more dave campo than dave campo..think not.. try this..

campo had no say what so ever and no salary cap dollars and an aging team and only 1 first round selection in 3 years and had ZERO playoff wins

Purrcells had it all... he had the run of the ranch, salary cap dollars out the wazoo, had 4 years and 4 first round picks and had ZERO playoff wins

I don't know about ya'll but being a Cowboy fan for over 40 years has spoiled me some and Superbowls are my true judgement of if ya done good... playoff wins would be a very distant second and Purcells couldn't even get us one of those

 

[Doomsday101]

Not for everybody. Not for me. There were things that I didn't like in the Parcells era but on the whole, he did the right things for the franchise IMO.

When Bill Parcells was first signed, I made mention of the fact that many would not like him and that was a true statement. Not because of the fact that he would win or not win but because many would see his style of football as unimaginative and archaic. I believed his personality would wear on many and it did.

None the less, it is my opinion that we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Bill Parcells. He made the hard decisions and he brought order to kaos. He repleced the worst talent base in football with one of the best and youngest IMO. We are in better cap position then we have ever been in the history of the franchise. Everybody is intitled to there own opinions but I will not lay more wood on the bonfire.

I appriciate what Parcells did and the legacy he has left us with.

I agree. I think Parcells is what the team needed at that time. We were fricken pathetic prior to Bill coming to Dallas losing to the likes of an expansion team in their 1st ever game, how low can you go. The team had no direction what so ever. I agree with those who are disappointed that we did not do more under BP leadership but given where we were and the direction this team is now headed in I think Bill was big for this franchise. It is a shame many can't see that.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Haha... this thread cracks me up... no one absolutely no one should be defending Purrcells... he was more dave campo than dave campo..think not.. try this..

campo had no say what so ever and no salary cap dollars and an aging team and only 1 first round selection in 3 years and had ZERO playoff wins

Purrcells had it all... he had the run of the ranch, salary cap dollars out the wazoo, had 4 years and 4 first round picks and had ZERO playoff wins

I don't know about ya'll but being a Cowboy fan for over 40 years has spoiled me some and Superbowls are my true judgement of if ya done good... playoff wins would be a very distant second and Purcells couldn't even get us one of those

Like I said, I thought when he left, we would have more than a "good talent base".

 

[Vintage]

Haha... this thread cracks me up... no one absolutely no one should be defending Purrcells... he was more dave campo than dave campo..think not.. try this..

campo had no say what so ever and no salary cap dollars and an aging team and only 1 first round selection in 3 years and had ZERO playoff wins

Purrcells had it all... he had the run of the ranch, salary cap dollars out the wazoo, had 4 years and 4 first round picks and had ZERO playoff wins

I don't know about ya'll but being a Cowboy fan for over 40 years has spoiled me some and Superbowls are my true judgement of if ya done good... playoff wins would be a very distant second and Purcells couldn't even get us one of those

Campo may have had aging players....But the guys Parcells inherited that replaced those aging players were worse.

Carter and Hambrick are no longer in the league.

That was our starting QB and RB.

Parcells wasn't perfect. But he did overhaul a roster that was complete garbage.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Sorry, but I don't see it as Bill bashing.

I see it as criticism of some of the things he did. Is he, or anyone else, free from criticism when the results don't meet the expecations?

I think some fans are labelling it as bashing and the players' comments as whining, and the media is running with that angle because that is what they do.

Are the players responsible for not doing as well as they possibly could? Yes. But, it's also the coachs' jobs to maximize the talent that they have, and for all the great things Bill did with respect to the organization and upgrading the talent base, his ultra-conservative coaching style did leave something to be desired.

 

[superpunk]

Campo may have had aging players....But the guys Parcells inherited that replaced those aging players were worse.

Carter and Hambrick are no longer in the league.

That was our starting QB and RB.

Parcells wasn't perfect. But he did overhaul a roster that was complete garbage.

A far more diplomatic response than I had in mind for that nonsense.

 

[Vintage]

A far more diplomatic response than I had in mind for that nonsense.

By all means, let me step aside for your mastery....


Unleash said demons...

 

[Hostile]

Sorry, but I don't see it as Bill bashing.

I see it as criticism of some of the things he did. Is he, or anyone else, free from criticism when the results don't meet the expecations?

I think some fans are labelling it as bashing and the players' comments as whining, and the media is running with that angle because that is what they do.

Are the players responsible for not doing as well as they possibly could? Yes. But, it's also the coachs' jobs to maximize the talent that they have, and for all the great things Bill did with respect to the organization and upgrading the talent base, his ultra-conservative coaching style did leave something to be desired.

Exactly.

 

[Zaxor]

Campo may have had aging players....But the guys Parcells inherited that replaced those aging players were worse.

Carter and Hambrick are no longer in the league.

That was our starting QB and RB.

Parcells wasn't perfect. But he did overhaul a roster that was complete garbage.

do you truly believe that Campo would not have overhauled that roster giving the power and resources that BP had? or for that matter that any other coach in the world wouldn't?

please... your an intelligent fellow, I too believe in giving credit where credit is due but please its like giving credit to a bird for the new spot paint job

 

[Zaxor]

A far more diplomatic response than I had in mind for that nonsense.

haha your the same guy that tried to convince me that Bledsoe was the savior of this franchise

I am so glad they have an archive of this stuff here on the zone...

 

[superpunk]

do you truly believe that Campo would not have overhauled that roster giving the power and resources that BP had? or for that matter that any other coach in the world wouldn't?

please... your an intelligent fellow, I too believe in giving credit where credit is due but please its like giving credit to a bird for the new spot paint job

Garbage. Absolute rubbish. Utter crap.

Year in and year out you see the Cardinals get top draft picks. They continue to replace their head coaches, but none can seem to win. Same goes for the Lions. Why not? Certainly using your rationale, any Tom, Dick or Harry with the resources those teams have year in and year out should be able to restock the talent and get those teams winning, right? After all, Parcells took us from where they are now - complete inept laughing stocks - to 3 out of 4 winning seasons and a team with young talent.

Any old coach could have had the vision to grab an undrafted QB and turn him into a star his first year in the league, right?

Any old coach could have nabbed players like Witten, Crayton and others in later rounds, right?

Any old coach could have swung a deal to bring Terry Glenn to town for a 6th rounder, right?

It comes just as naturally as a bird ****ting on a car.

Brilliant analysis.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Let's be honest here, ... when Parcells signed on, we all thought that after fours years with him as our HC, the Cowboys would have more to show than a "good talent base."

I know I did.

I was thrilled when he got here, but it was OK with me when he left.

Sic'em Wade !

This pretty much explains how I feel.

- Mike G.

 

[superpunk]

haha your the same guy that tried to convince me that Bledsoe was the savior of this franchise

More garbage and hyperbole. It is possible to make a point without talking out your posterior.

I am so glad they have an archive of this stuff here on the zone...

So am I.

 

[Dodger12]

How often did we here BP state that a player "gets it", or that he expected more from some players than they expected from themselves. BP took off the reigns vs Detroit and this defense got spanked and embarassed by a second rate team.

I have a problem with this whole "Bill Parcells didn't put the players in the right position to be succesful" mindset, as if thats some vogue and novel idea that a HOF coach just didn't think of doing. Just to name a few:

-BP chose Quincy over Hutch because that's what fit this team at the time with a poor OL. They simplified the offense to play into QC's strenghts until other teams caught on.

-BP tried to move the immortal Woody Danzler all over the field on both sides of the ball to give him every chance to make the team, giving the kid every chance in the world to succeed.

-BP moved Gurode to center which played more to his strengths.

-BP made Demarcus Ware an all around LB, allowing him a chance to pick off passes, rush the passer and contain the run. The kid's an All-Pro so how did BP limit him?

-Greg Ellis was given a shot at a new position to get on the field and he was having a good year prior to his injury. Didn't BP put Ellis in a position to succeed?

-Carpenter was moved around trying to find the right place for him to do well and he showed some promise towards the end of the season and playoffs.

-Crayton was put into a position to suceed.

Isn't it interesting and coincidental that the players complaining the most are those that we expected the most from, based on where they were drafted and/or their salary. The reality is that Spears and JuJo haven't lived up to their expectations. TO gave us a good, not great year and Roy Williams is not a LBer and will have to cover someone sooner or later; that's what safties picked in the top ten do for a living.

 

[Vintage]

do you truly believe that Campo would not have overhauled that roster giving the power and resources that BP had? or for that matter that any other coach in the world wouldn't?

please... your an intelligent fellow, I too believe in giving credit where credit is due but please its like giving credit to a bird for the new spot paint job

Campo would have overhauled that roster, I don't doubt it.

But with the talent level that Bill has brought in?

Let me ask you this: Knowing of our talent level now, would you morgage it for a Campo rebuilt team if such a scenario was actually possible?

 

[T-New41]

Bill Parcells did some good things here, mainly building what we hope is a solid foundation. So far, it seems like the players who have complained are backing it up by arriving in great shape. Whether or not they prove they are right, we'll find out this season.

I hope they are right because it will mean that we are having a monster year. If they are wrong, we will have a lot of over-hauling to do.

Hopefully we can get the best of both worlds (ie talented players with coaches that will play to their strengths) and really make some noise this year.