Bill bashing in vogue right now

[superpunk]

Isn't it interesting and coincidental that the players complaining the most are those that we expected the most from, based on where they were drafted and/or their salary. The reality is that Spears and JuJo haven't lived up to their expectations. TO gave us a good, not great year and Roy Williams is not a LBer and will have to cover someone sooner or later; that's what safties picked in the top ten do for a living.

An all-around excellent post, particularly the closing number. It's interesting that our players who are truly stars, like Witten and Romo, will have no part of the Bill-bashing, and have only glowing praise and love for him.

The underachievers and malcontents...well, we know their stance.

I wonder which one makes more sense to trust? The stars? Or the guys who are covering their *****.

Again - excellent post.

 

[Stash]

Bill Parcells did some good things here, mainly building what we hope is a solid foundation. So far, it seems like the players who have complained are backing it up by arriving in great shape. Whether or not they prove they are right, we'll find out this season.

I hope they are right because it will mean that we are having a monster year. If they are wrong, we will have a lot of over-hauling to do.

Hopefully we can get the best of both worlds (ie talented players with coaches that will play to their strengths) and really make some noise this year.

Well said oh wise one!

 

[iceberg]

An all-around excellent post, particularly the closing number. It's interesting that our players who are truly stars, like Witten and Romo, will have no part of the Bill-bashing, and have only glowing praise and love for him.

The underachievers and malcontents...well, we know their stance.

I wonder which one makes more sense to trust? The stars? Or the guys who are covering their *****.

Again - excellent post.

that's also kinda cherry picking. we can go back and divide up onto "who's on bp's team and who isn't" but that alone doesn't put billp into the "can do no wrong" category.

the "malcontents" who've voiced their opinion in a negative fashion to you bash cause they're bashing bill and i've heard some people say they could be more professional about it.

so maybe romo and witten are simply being professional? maybe they love bill, maybe not. but to assume what they as their "only" stance is about as limiting as the other side taking the elephant comment and reading into that.

bill had a lot of good qualities.
bill had a lot of bad qualities.

i wish people would realize both are true and his style simply didn't work for everyone and move along.

 

[WV Cowboy]

An all-around excellent post, particularly the closing number. It's interesting that our players who are truly stars, like Witten and Romo, will have no part of the Bill-bashing, and have only glowing praise and love for him.

The underachievers and malcontents...well, we know their stance.

I wonder which one makes more sense to trust? The stars? Or the guys who are covering their *****.

Again - excellent post.

Nobody is suggesting that Parcells got EVERYTHING wrong.

Nor did he get everthing right.

If you were one of the square pegs that he put in a square hole, or one of the round pegs he put in the round holes, .. then you were OK with Parcells.

But in his stubborness, if you were a square peg that he insisted putting in a round hole, or if you were a round peg that he insisted on putting in a square hole, then yes, .. you would be glad to have another chance at playing to your strengths.

I can see how some players were OK with him and some are glad to get another chance.

It doesn't seem that hard to understand actually, ... it's probably that way when many teams change coaches.

 

[superpunk]

the "malcontents" who've voiced their opinion in a negative fashion to you bash cause they're bashing bill and i've heard some people say they could be more professional about it.

so maybe romo and witten are simply being professional?

When did I say anything different? I merely contrasted Romo and Witten's actions with the others. We can only go by what they ACTUALLY said (that's important...) and that's all I was doing.

 

[Zaxor]

Garbage. Absolute rubbish. Utter crap.

Year in and year out you see the Cardinals get top draft picks. They continue to replace their head coaches, but none can seem to win. Same goes for the Lions. Why not? Certainly using your rationale, any Tom, Dick or Harry with the resources those teams have year in and year out should be able to restock the talent and get those teams winning, right? After all, Parcells took us from where they are now - complete inept laughing stocks - to 3 out of 4 winning seasons and a team with young talent.

Any old coach could have had the vision to grab an undrafted QB and turn him into a star his first year in the league, right?

Any old coach could have nabbed players like Witten, Crayton and others in later rounds, right?

Any old coach could have swung a deal to bring Terry Glenn to town for a 6th rounder, right?

It comes just as naturally as a bird ****ting on a car.

Brilliant analysis.

HELLO.... ZERO Playoff wins and yes any old coach can do that...

now lets go down the list it was romo's 4th year not his 1st...

again you mention upgrading talent and I'm telling ya any coach with the power and resources he had available to him would do the same...do you think he had time to look at all college players that was available for the draft...of course not... he did look at some film which brought us the likes of peterson and Rogers but for the most part it was Ireland (now here is where credit should be given to BP for the shake up of the scouting department)

Glenn was traded to GB for a 4th they where so disillusioned with him they where just gonna cut him but we had to go and spend a 6th round pick on him....

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20030225/ai_n10848974

again like I tried to tell you before you need to think less with your heart and more with your head

 

[iceberg]

When did I say anything different? I merely contrasted Romo and Witten's actions with the others. We can only go by what they ACTUALLY said (that's important...) and that's all I was doing.

and all that stash was doing w/ferguson, yet he's "reading into it". when we talked a bit more i understood is viewpoints and what he was saying - not so different than anything i've said.

you tend to focus on a word or two and make that the entire argument. when people talk around or through that they (myself included) tends to say A LOT of things of which, you pick out a few more words to focus on.

you assume the trash talkers are "malcontents" and the ones offering praise are "bill fans". to assume "bill fans" is just as much reading into it as others are doing w/the bashers.

in the end i'll stick with my "bill was better than average" and leave it at that.

 

[superpunk]

HELLO.... ZERO Playoff wins and yes any old coach can do that...

Your overly simplistic approach is adorable, but foolish. Marty Schottenheimer had zero playoff wins. He was a key part of engineering what might be one of the most talented teams in the league. The same can be said of Parcells - because we have alot of very talented players, and they didn't all come from draft picks that required no thought.

You can keep going with the "any old coach could have done it" nonsense. The fact that there are plenty of coaches trotting through Arizona, Detroit and Cleveland each year and NOT doing it disproves your ignorant stance. But please continue showcasing your extencsive knowledge of just how easy it is to turn a talentless team around. It's thrilling.

 

[superpunk]

and all that stash was doing w/ferguson, yet he's "reading into it". when we talked a bit more i understood is viewpoints and what he was saying - not so different than anything i've said.

you tend to focus on a word or two and make that the entire argument. when people talk around or through that they (myself included) tends to say A LOT of things of which, you pick out a few more words to focus on.

you assume the trash talkers are "malcontents" and the ones offering praise are "bill fans". to assume "bill fans" is just as much reading into it as others are doing w/the bashers.

in the end i'll stick with my "bill was better than average" and leave it at that.

You're wrong. I didn't read anything into anything. Romo said in an article today that you wouldn't hear anything like what the other guys are saying from him. Witten mentioned his affection for Parcells the other day by saying "I'll always be one of his guys." There's nothing to "read" into.

You should just drop it.

 

[BARRYRAY]

I'm just glad we got rid of BP, thank god Phillips was available to interview so early, oh wait the Chargers with his scheme, the best rb infootball, and the best lb in the nfl lost, well uhm, we'll see. Its never one person, team s#$%@, the coaching s#@$@$, and I don't care who the coach is I'm just soooooooooooo tired of the excuses, show me the wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww's. The luster of the Cowboys is fading, bring us a winner. Heck I would welcome Switzer if he could win another one..

 

[Stash]

You're wrong. I didn't read anything into anything. Romo said in an article today that you wouldn't hear anything like what the other guys are saying from him. Witten mentioned his affection for Parcells the other day by saying "I'll always be one of his guys." There's nothing to "read" into.

You should just drop it.

You drop it.

Go pick a fight someplace else.

Not everyone else's fault it's that time of the month.

 

[Doomsday101]

Your overly simplistic approach is adorable, but foolish. Marty Schottenheimer had zero playoff wins. He was a key part of engineering what might be one of the most talented teams in the league. The same can be said of Parcells - because we have alot of very talented players, and they didn't all come from draft picks that required no thought.

You can keep going with the "any old coach could have done it" nonsense. The fact that there are plenty of coaches trotting through Arizona, Detroit and Cleveland each year and NOT doing it disproves your ignorant stance. But please continue showcasing your extencsive knowledge of just how easy it is to turn a talentless team around. It's thrilling.

I fully agree. I don't think any one is saying BP did not make mistake but looking at the roster before BP got here and the direction this team was heading compared to today, I don't think any old coach could have created the changes that have taken place. I firmly believe Parcells was the right hire at the right time and I think the respect that Jones had for BP played a big role in how business is now done.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm just glad we got rid of BP, thank god Phillips was available to interview so early, oh wait the Chargers with his scheme, the best rb infootball, and the best lb in the nfl lost, well uhm, we'll see. Its never one person, team s#$%@, the coaching s#@$@$, and I don't care who the coach is I'm just soooooooooooo tired of the excuses, show me the wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww's. The luster of the Cowboys is fading, bring us a winner. Heck I would welcome Switzer if he could win another one..

Rebuilding a franchise is not as easy as putting your Madden disk into your playstation.

 

[superpunk]

You drop it.

Go pick a fight someplace else.

Not everyone else's fault it's that time of the month.

You're not making any sense. I'm not picking a fight with anyone. Ice is mistaken about what I said. This doesn't involve you - so scurry off, fella.

I fully agree. I don't think any one is saying BP did not make mistake but looking at the roster before BP got here and the direction this team was heading compared to today, I don't think any old coach could have created the changes that have taken place. I firmly believe Parcells was the right hire at the right time and I think the respect that Jones had for BP played a big role in how business is now done.

I agree. Bill changed alot on the team, and it was farther reaching than JUST the roster.

 

[Zaxor]

Campo would have overhauled that roster, I don't doubt it.

But with the talent level that Bill has brought in?

Let me ask you this: Knowing of our talent level now, would you morgage it for a Campo rebuilt team if such a scenario was actually possible?

Ireland built the team...now if you want to give credit to bill for ireland I am in complete agreement...for he did shake up the scouting department...

bill doesn't and didn't have time to look at all the college players... that is the job of the scouts and that is where I completely disagree with the folks who claim Bill built this team...was bill part of the drafting process you bet but from what i heard he was not that vocal on the first draft (al johnson) was his wish in that one and a punt returner and in the second draft the rogers and peterson thing was mostly his outside of that he mostly let the scouts do their thing in the following drafts except for attempts to fill the punt returner spot...

now was he responsible for keeping romo... yeah I think that would also be pretty fair to say... but who is to say that another coach also would not have...

I just didn't see anything to distinguish him as a good "coach" of the Dallas Cowboys

I hoped that answered the question friend

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I firmly believe Parcells was the right hire at the right time and I think the respect that Jones had for BP played a big role in how business is now done.

This is a very astute point you make here Dooms. IMO, your dead on in this respect. Prior to Parcells, the relationship between Jerry and Coaches was less then ideal. Everything about it, from the hiring to the amount of control coaches had on the team was wrong. Now, I see a real change in Jerry and how he handles this very important piece of the puzzle. At least, IMO. Definatly a change for the better in my view.

 

[Stash]

You're not making any sense. I'm not picking a fight with anyone. Ice is mistaken about what I said. This doesn't involve you - so scurry off, fella.

It looks to me like you're in a bad mood for whatever reason today and are looking to start an argument with anybody you can find.

I count about three different posters including me in this thread. Sorry if you're having a bad day, but you shouldn't be taking it out on other people.

It's okay if we have different opinions, things would get pretty boring if we didn't.

 

[Zaxor]

Your overly simplistic approach is adorable, but foolish. Marty Schottenheimer had zero playoff wins. He was a key part of engineering what might be one of the most talented teams in the league. The same can be said of Parcells - because we have alot of very talented players, and they didn't all come from draft picks that required no thought.

You can keep going with the "any old coach could have done it" nonsense. The fact that there are plenty of coaches trotting through Arizona, Detroit and Cleveland each year and NOT doing it disproves your ignorant stance. But please continue showcasing your extencsive knowledge of just how easy it is to turn a talentless team around. It's thrilling.

where is ole marty anyway and what did he "engineer" he didn't even call the stinking plays or set the strategy on offense or defense the coordinators did that.

and none of those teams you have mentioned have the resources of the Dallas Cowboys and if you are unable to comprehend that than you would be showing your own ignorance.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Coming from me personally, it isn't Bill Bashing post Cowboys. I complained and said the same thing about him when he was still our HC.

 

[superpunk]

where is ole marty anyway and what did he "engineer" he didn't even call the stinking plays or set the strategy on offense or defense the coordinators did that.

and none of those teams you have mentioned have the resources of the Dallas Cowboys and if you are unable to comprehend that than you would be showing your own ignorance.

So now we've modified the stance to "Any old coach could do what Bill did, so long as they have the resources of the Dallas Cowboys."
Whatever that means.