Bill bashing in vogue right now

[Vintage]

where is ole marty anyway and what did he "engineer" he didn't even call the stinking plays or set the strategy on offense or defense the coordinators did that.

and none of those teams you have mentioned have the resources of the Dallas Cowboys and if you are unable to comprehend that than you would be showing your own ignorance.

Arizona has had more cap room than us and higher draft picks than us for a long time.

Why haven't they turned it around?

Same can be said for Detroit as well.

 

[Zaxor]

I fully agree. I don't think any one is saying BP did not make mistake but looking at the roster before BP got here and the direction this team was heading compared to today, I don't think any old coach could have created the changes that have taken place. I firmly believe Parcells was the right hire at the right time and I think the respect that Jones had for BP played a big role in how business is now done.

I think BP did a wonderful job of shaking up the scouting department and that was only because he had the power to do it...but you would be hard pressed to convince me Dooms that any of us giving that power wouldn't have done the same thing or at least tried to... now if you want to give Bill props for having jerry respect him enough to allow him to do so...I wouldn't disagree but the job that BP done as a "coach" and not as a vice president was not up to Cowboy standards...

 

[Zaxor]

So now we've modified the stance to "Any old coach could do what Bill did, so long as they have the resources of the Dallas Cowboys."

no modification needed as I thought we were discussing the Cowboys... well we were till you decided to try and find a way to match causes with detroit & AZ which simply do not have the prestige of the cowboys so it was an apples and oranges comparison brought up by you in the first place.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think BP did a wonderful job of shaking up the scouting department and that was only because he had the power to do it...but you would be hard pressed to convince me Dooms that any of us giving that power wouldn't have done the same thing or at least tried to... now if you want to give Bill props for having jerry respect him enough to allow him to do so...I wouldn't disagree but the job that BP done as a "coach" and not as a vice president was not up to Cowboy standards...

Well then we disagree as far as his ability as a HC, he took a nothing team one that was beaten by the Houston Texan expansion team in their 1st game ever into a team who at least made the playoffs and developed a QB who to me looks like the real thing. As for shaking up the front office we were stuck with puppet coaches and I think it took a HC with the respect that Parcells has around the league to change how things were done. I agree he was not perfect and made mistake but I think this franchise is better off because of Parcells.

 

[Doomsday101]

So now we've modified the stance to "Any old coach could do what Bill did, so long as they have the resources of the Dallas Cowboys."
Whatever that means.

Sounds like Jerry's 500 coach comment and we saw how well that went over.

 

[Zaxor]

Arizona has had more cap room than us and higher draft picks than us for a long time.

Why haven't they turned it around?

Same can be said for Detroit as well.

and again AZ and Det have nothing to do with the Dallas Cowboys... yes they are all football teams but it is the same line of comparing the water in the ocean to the water in the bathtub yes its water but...

 

[5Stars]

I just didn't see anything to distinguish him as a good "coach" of the Dallas Cowboys.

Zaxor, I really can't believe you wrote this! I've read many of your post and enjoyed some, but this? This is total nonsense!

I'm glad Parcells came through Valley Ranch...although I did not like his game plans. However, for you to say he did not do anything to distinquish him as a good coach is just freaking nuts! He probably made the BIGGEST impact on how this team operates in the future...

Wow...just wow!

 

[Doomsday101]

and again AZ and Det have nothing to do with the Dallas Cowboys... yes they are all football teams but it is the same line of comparing the water in the ocean to the water in the bathtub yes its water but...

It is the same, they are all choosing from the same draft they are open to the same FA the only difference is our history but given how low this team was we were no better than an expansion team for a while and that in my opinion has now changed.

 

[Zaxor]

Well then we disagree as far as his ability as a HC, he took a nothing team one that was beaten by the Houston Texan expansion team in their 1st game ever into a team who at least made the playoffs and developed a QB who to me looks like the real thing. As for shaking up the front office we were stuck with puppet coaches and I think it took a HC with the respect that Parcells has around the league to change how things were done. I agree he was not perfect and made mistake but I think this franchise is better off because of Parcells.

again like I said perhaps I am spoiled but just making the playoffs don't cut it..

get your expectations up.... isn't that something bill said

 

[zrinkill]

Bashing Big Bill has always been en vogue.

If Wade Phillips wins here, alot of it will have to do with what his predecessor did.

- Mike G.

Like Bill having his best record with Campo's team?

 

[Doomsday101]

again like I said perhaps I am spoiled but just making the playoffs don't cut it..

get your expectations up.... isn't that something bill said

We were not doing anything at all and had no direction and puppet coaches who had no control. Living off our past is not being spoiled it is foolish. Yes Parcells said get your expectation up and even though we came up short this team started doing something we had not been doing and that is winning and having a real chance at things like post season play which was nothing but a fairy tale before BP got here.

 

[Zaxor]

It is the same, they are all choosing from the same draft they are open to the same FA the only difference is our history but given how low this team was we were no better than an expansion team for a while and that in my opinion has now changed.

I think you will find that both Jerry and Bill will disagree...

there will be some FA's out there that might sign for less than they would have elsewhere or just sign with us for the same price because we are the Dallas Cowboys I think you will find a Jerry or Bill quote on that around the time we signed Leonard Davis

 

[iceberg]

You're wrong. I didn't read anything into anything. Romo said in an article today that you wouldn't hear anything like what the other guys are saying from him. Witten mentioned his affection for Parcells the other day by saying "I'll always be one of his guys." There's nothing to "read" into.

You should just drop it.

maybe you should be "super binary" - you're either on or off. black or white. 1 or 0.

maybe i am wrong. but unless you KNOW FOR A FACT witten said it out of honesty and not to be "professional" (you know, like you ask the "malcontents" to be) then you're reading something and filing it in the "bil defense folder".

and even if you're right and he is a bill guy - great. NO ONE IN HERE TO DATE said there were not guys who did very well under bill. but to assume those who did NOT do well under bill - it must be THEIR fault, just a little blind to me, that's all.

it also shouts out "agenda" like you lob on others.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think you will find that both Jerry and Bill will disagree...

there will be some FA's out there that might sign for less than they would have elsewhere or just sign with us for the same price because we are the Dallas Cowboys I think you will find a Jerry or Bill quote on that around the time we signed Leonard Davis

Take off the rose color glasses, players know this is a business and are not coming to Dallas for less money. As for Davis coming back home had a lot to do with the reason he took a little less than what the skins had offered but players are not lining up to come to Dallas at a cheap price because we are the Cowboys.

 

[zeromaster]

After two end-seasons of "will Bill return", and the shoe finally dropping, it was fairly likely this talk would surface. It comes with the territory of 34-30 and 0-2. It may not be fair, it is probably unprofessional in some people's eyes, but when someone of Parcell's stature comes in with past championships, and the "my way or the highway" approach, then leaves with less than stellar results, it is not impossible that comments would come out. If we'd made it to the Super Bowl, the talk after his latest retirement might have been more nostalgic.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, he set himself up for this in a way. It doesn't make the outcome more bearable, but based on expectations that things would change for the better, some people felt short-changed, outside and inside it seems.

Fans got very irritated with the play calling and scheme at times, now they're upset that people in the organization are to some extent mentioning some of the things we thought ourselves?

 

[carphalen5150]

I'm going to go ahead and post on this Parcells bashing...should clear things up, so mods you can go ahead and lock this thread up when I am done.

Parcells tenure here was a complete success. The Cowboys were no longer a relevant franchise and was no longer a premier landing spot for FAs and television exposure. Parcells came back and in doing so he made the Cowboys legit again. There was a massive hole to dig out of...the roster was talent-less and had no direction. Parcells gave the franchise a much needed direction and an attitude that winning was what it was all about. The defense is all due to him...switching to the 3-4 and getting the right players in for it. People do not realize how lucky we are to have guys like Ratliff, Spears, and Canty on the roster...3-4 DEs are hard to come by these days. Obviously he did not accentuate the talents of the teams by running a bland 3-4, but there is no doubt that the pieces are there for this D to be dominant.

Offensively he was behind the additions of Glenn, JJ, MBIII, Witten, and most importantly he had the longterm vision to see what Romo could become. The O-line was a downfall for him, but the cupboard is not bare. He made a player out of Gurode, brought Columbo back from the dead, and signed the underrated Kosier. McQ could also change the perception of his failures on the O-line.

Now I understand how some were disappointed in his regime, but to not see the value he added to this franchise is selective memory. The losing culture that was beginning to overtake the Cowboys was stopped when he got here. The Cowboys are in a much better place and have an opportunity for a good, long run of playoff appearances for years.

Close it up now...

 

[smarta5150]

he set us up, yes, just could not get us over the next hump, thats why a new coach was needed, call it we used him or what you want, but we needed it.

now close

 

[5Stars]

I'm going to go ahead and post on this Parcells bashing...should clear things up, so mods you can go ahead and lock this thread up when I am done.

Parcells tenure here was a complete success. The Cowboys were no longer a relevant franchise and was no longer a premier landing spot for FAs and television exposure. Parcells came back and in doing so he made the Cowboys legit again. There was a massive hole to dig out of...the roster was talent-less and had no direction. Parcells gave the franchise a much needed direction and an attitude that winning was what it was all about. The defense is all due to him...switching to the 3-4 and getting the right players in for it. People do not realize how lucky we are to have guys like Ratliff, Spears, and Canty on the roster...3-4 DEs are hard to come by these days. Obviously he did not accentuate the talents of the teams by running a bland 3-4, but there is no doubt that the pieces are there for this D to be dominant.

Offensively he was behind the additions of Glenn, JJ, MBIII, Witten, and most importantly he had the longterm vision to see what Romo could become. The O-line was a downfall for him, but the cupboard is not bare. He made a player out of Gurode, brought Columbo back from the dead, and signed the underrated Kosier. McQ could also change the perception of his failures on the O-line.

Now I understand how some were disappointed in his regime, but to not see the value he added to this franchise is selective memory. The losing culture that was beginning to overtake the Cowboys was stopped when he got here. The Cowboys are in a much better place and have an opportunity for a good, long run of playoff appearances for years.

Close it up now...

Good post, carphalen5150! There are a lot of whiners against Parcells around this board...if they only could remember what was. I damn well do!

Now, we move ahead, much better off then we were...if that is not good enough for some...then I pity them for what is in store for the for the rest of their life!

 

[Zaxor]

We were not doing anything at all and had no direction and puppet coaches who had no control. Living off our past is not being spoiled it is foolish. Yes Parcells said get your expectation up and even though we came up short this team started doing something we had not been doing and that is winning and having a real chance at things like post season play which was nothing but a fairy tale before BP got here.

are we talking about the same .500 coach.... lets see he took us to the playoffs with a trash team according to you and we had the #1 defense(now you may not agree with the ratings but that is what the NFL uses so that is all we have to go by) that year or close to it... we could have than signed Berry to bolster the d-line and a DB or 2... but we decided to do nothing and everybody and I mean everybody thought we should have bolstered the defense in the off season except Bill but we do sign some of BP's old players like young, murrell, ward, testy, glenn for the offense etc... so we go 6-10 and Bill says behold this defense suxs (well no duh Bill we all knew it needed help in the offseason) so we than spend the next 2 years rebuilding a defense that had needed just tweaking. now do you know of another team/coach who wanted a 3-4 defense and waited till his 3rd year to implement it...nope me either...but is this the same .500 coach we are talking about... sorry dooms and punk its time for me to get some shuteye you will have to continue to try and belittle me on your own.

 

[Zaxor]

Zaxor, I really can't believe you wrote this! I've read many of your post and enjoyed some, but this? This is total nonsense!

I'm glad Parcells came through Valley Ranch...although I did not like his game plans. However, for you to say he did not do anything to distinquish him as a good coach is just freaking nuts! He probably made the BIGGEST impact on how this team operates in the future...

Wow...just wow!

that was VP parcells not coach parcells there is a differance