Blackistone: Looking for QB, Jerry? Try draft's first round

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InmanRoshi said:
Of all the idiotic philosophies floated around about the QB situation, none is more simple minded than "Just throw a 1st rounder at it, that'll take care of it"

That's not what I said if you're being critical of my remark. Bill saw nothing in camp and I assume he decided he liked what he saw in Bledsoe more than getting a starter not on the team but outside the draft. So it does say something he drafted Bledsoe. That's not the same as saying you will be ok if you draft someone in the first round or even as the number one pick.

I think Parcells is smart enough not to draft a number one pick or a first round pick thinking that will insure success at finding a QB. I feel sure he decided Bledsoe could do the job he wanted from a QB and that decision cost him a number one pick. Not the other way around. I interpreted your comments as being insulting to me. Hopefully that wasn't the case.
 

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BHendri5 said:
.....If you are the coach, and you have tried to talk your GM/Owner into not making the same mistake twice and he would not listen, what would you do, other than quit the job? You go along with the GM/Owner and try and make the best of the situation until either the player makes it, or you are finally able to make the Owner/GM see his mistake or he see that he once again made the same mistake.

I bet my bottom dollar that BP tried his best to talk Jerry out of signing Henson.


I agree...pretty much what I stated in my previous post also.
 

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jobberone said:
That's not what I said if you're being critical of my remark. Bill saw nothing in camp and I assume he decided he liked what he saw in Bledsoe more than getting a starter not on the team but outside the draft. So it does say something he drafted Bledsoe. That's not the same as saying you will be ok if you draft someone in the first round or even as the number one pick.

I think Parcells is smart enough not to draft a number one pick or a first round pick thinking that will insure success at finding a QB. I feel sure he decided Bledsoe could do the job he wanted from a QB and that decision cost him a number one pick. Not the other way around. I interpreted your comments as being insulting to me. Hopefully that wasn't the case.

Actually, I was refering to Blackstone's article.

Dallas media and fans are so bloodthirsty and frothing at the mouth for their "next Aikman" that they don't have the have the patience or outlook to develop a QB properly. Even if they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick, they would chew him up and spit him out within 24 months and move onto the next great hope. "Gotta stick him out there and see whatta he can do !!" I'll tell you what he's going to do, he's going to suck .. like 99% of all young QB's that have played in this league have. After four or five bad performances in a row, he's toast in this city. Troy Aikman couldn't even be the "the next Aikman" in Dallas' current environment. Parcells is currently the only thing keeping Dallas from devouring Henson. Parcells is the best thing that ever happened to Drew Henson. Hopefully he'll stay here long enough to keep the wolves at bay until he's ready. But the amount of scrutiny Henson is getting now is miniscule compared to the scrutiny he would have gotten had Jerry trotted him out there to complete the 2nd half of last year to stink it up. Make no mistake about it, if Dallas would have done that last year there would have been riots for Aaron Rogers with that 11th pick, much less 20th.
 

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Rack said:
Just added Blackistone to the list of moronic mediots that I hate.


There's only like 3 that I don't hate.
and...umm....what does that tell you? :)
 

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Rush 2112 said:
BP doesn't like inexperienced QB's so we should draft one in the first round?

Got it.

..hmmm, and just how long do you anticipate BP staying here?

Just curious.
 

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Blackistone thought Q was the next Roger, and told us as much for 3 years. So he has no credibility whatsoever to critcize Jerry's attempts at getting a QB. I've read enough of Blackistone's tripe to know what he's all about. If Henson weren't white, this article would have no doubt been a plea for fans to have patience with him, that QBs take more than one year to develop.

But as to the subject of whether Henson was solely a Jones' decision or not, one only has to read the JJT behind-the-scenes article about the day they got Henson. It was pretty clear both Jones and Parcells wanted him. Unless you think JJT made the whole thing up.....
 

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But with Jones' third baseball-back-to-football quarterback experiment having failed
I read no further than that. Hard to imagine a guy who was out of football for three years only given 16 months before calling him a failure. :mad:
 

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BHendri5 said:
I bet my bottom dollar that BP tried his best to talk Jerry out of signing Henson.

Yes he had dinner with Henson, and yes he spoke with Henson's father, and the Yankees organization, and his college coach, it's called doing your homework, back ground check, to see what kind of person you are hiring, what others thinks, checking references. :bang2:

Well, that would go against the documented interest that Parcells had in Henson. Not only a background check, but an eager interest to ensure that the deal got done.

Did people actually expect Henson to start this year? It was painfully obvious he needed some seasoning after seeing him play last year. The Bledsoe deal ensured he wouldn't be forced to start this year.

Its way to early to call Henson a bust. Getting some PT last year probably increased everyone's expectations for him. Honestly, his preseason this year is what I expected last year.

Drafting a QB in the first round is hardly a sure fire solution to the problem anymore either. In my opinion, the best way to develop a QB is to have a couple of young guys being groomed behind an established vet. Lo and behold, Dallas has Romo and Henson behind Bledsoe!

Heck, Carter was getting excuses in his third year when he was pretty obviously a dud and people were prepared to give him more in his fourth before he imploded. I'd say Henson at least deserves a couple of seasons.

Honestly, about the only person that could say Henson was a bust at this point and consider a legitimate observation would be Dale. I haven't heard that from him. Everyone watches two preseason games and becomes an expert. :rolleyes: Apparently, they don't remember Romo's struggles last year.
 

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InmanRoshi said:
Actually, I was refering to Blackstone's article.

Dallas media and fans are so bloodthirsty and frothing at the mouth for their "next Aikman" that they don't have the have the patience or outlook to develop a QB properly. Even if they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick, they would chew him up and spit him out within 24 months and move onto the next great hope. "Gotta stick him out there and see whatta he can do !!" I'll tell you what he's going to do, he's going to suck .. like 99% of all young QB's that have played in this league have. After four or five bad performances in a row, he's toast in this city. Troy Aikman couldn't even be the "the next Aikman" in Dallas' current environment. Parcells is currently the only thing keeping Dallas from devouring Henson. Parcells is the best thing that ever happened to Drew Henson. Hopefully he'll stay here long enough to keep the wolves at bay until he's ready. But the amount of scrutiny Henson is getting now is miniscule compared to the scrutiny he would have gotten had Jerry trotted him out there to complete the 2nd half of last year to stink it up. Make no mistake about it, if Dallas would have done that last year there would have been riots for Aaron Rogers with that 11th pick, much less 20th.
I have been saying that very same thing after reading posts on the various forums for the last 4 years.
"We're not going to the superbowl this year anyway, why not trot the young qb out there so we can see what he can do."

Then it's "did you see that throw he made in the 3rd quarter? I can tell this guy is the real deal." "I remember that throw Aikman made against Arizona his rookie year, I knew right then that he was going to win at least 3 superbowls."

Of course after the guy sucks for a few weeks, then it becomes...."We gotta move up in the 1st round to draft our franchise QB."

It seems so idiotic to me. Why not just wait on the coach to play them.
 

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I guess a lot of folks are tearing him a new one for this article, but I agree 100% with Blackistone. The Cowboys have failed mierably trying to find projects, and guys lower than the 1st round. I'm not sure it's Jerry Jones fault. Show me how many teams have success finding franchise QBs out of the 1st round. A find like Tom Brady is pure luck. I would not be opposed to the Cowboys spending next year's 1st on a QB. Sure, many 1st rounders backfire, but your chances of success are a lot greater than they are with these baseball projects.
 

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Wow,
1st Randy Galloway, then Dale Hansen, yesterday it was Norm Hitgzes..........now Kevin Blackstone is lining up to kick :a-team: while he's down.

My my how fickle we are. Ever wonder why I call these guys mediots. This article is a perfect example. It takes 3-4 years before a QB shows his true colors.

I just think the roster spot Henson will take up could be used for a player with much bigger role than 3rd string QB.
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
I guess a lot of folks are tearing him a new one for this article, but I agree 100% with Blackistone. The Cowboys have failed mierably trying to find projects, and guys lower than the 1st round. I'm not sure it's Jerry Jones fault. Show me how many teams have success finding franchise QBs out of the 1st round. A find like Tom Brady is pure luck. I would not be opposed to the Cowboys spending next year's 1st on a QB. Sure, many 1st rounders backfire, but your chances of success are a lot greater than they are with these baseball projects.
The only time they had a chance to draft a qb in the 1st round without trading up to do so was Leftwich. They got a really good looking cb with that pick.

I don't have a problem with them not going after so-called franchised qb's because most of them don't turn out to be anything special.

I like the idea of just drafting the player that you think will be able to help your team the most. If you have a dominant team you can win with an average qb, but if you have a poor team you won't win even if you have a franchise QB.

I think the Cowboys are not they far from having a dominant defense and running game. If they can just get solid mistake free qb play, in the next couple of years they will be able to challenge for a championship.

And who knows when Henson shakes off the rust, maybe he can become a franchise qb.
 

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InmanRoshi said:
Actually, I was refering to Blackstone's article.

Dallas media and fans are so bloodthirsty and frothing at the mouth for their "next Aikman" that they don't have the have the patience or outlook to develop a QB properly. Even if they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick, they would chew him up and spit him out within 24 months and move onto the next great hope. "Gotta stick him out there and see whatta he can do !!" I'll tell you what he's going to do, he's going to suck .. like 99% of all young QB's that have played in this league have. After four or five bad performances in a row, he's toast in this city. Troy Aikman couldn't even be the "the next Aikman" in Dallas' current environment. Parcells is currently the only thing keeping Dallas from devouring Henson. Parcells is the best thing that ever happened to Drew Henson. Hopefully he'll stay here long enough to keep the wolves at bay until he's ready. But the amount of scrutiny Henson is getting now is miniscule compared to the scrutiny he would have gotten had Jerry trotted him out there to complete the 2nd half of last year to stink it up. Make no mistake about it, if Dallas would have done that last year there would have been riots for Aaron Rogers with that 11th pick, much less 20th.


This is so true its actually painful.
 

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Charles said:
Wow,
1st Randy Galloway, then Dale Hansen, yesterday it was Norm Hitgzes..........now Kevin Blackstone is lining up to kick :a-team: while he's down.

My my how fickle we are. Ever wonder why I call these guys mediots. This article is a perfect example. It takes 3-4 years before a QB shows his true colors.

I just think the roster spot Henson will take up could be used for a player with much bigger role than 3rd string QB.

Why most 3rd string QB tend to be developmental players. Unless you’re suggesting we only use keep 2 QB on the roster which I don't see any team in the NFL doing that
 

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junk said:
Did people actually expect Henson to start this year? It was painfully obvious he needed some seasoning after seeing him play last year. The Bledsoe deal ensured he wouldn't be forced to start this year.


This is not to flame any members or anything of that nature...there has been plenty of that to last.

However There are people that after the season was over really thought that Drew Henson would be the starter this year...i believe they had no doubt in their mind that he would be that good and is ready to do it....at the very least they thought he would have a strong chance to become starter.

Now some changed that idea when Bledsoe was brought in....but still many felt before bledsoe was brought in that Henson would indeed win the starting job.

Last season people were realling wanting him to get game time when he was just not ready and had not earned that right IMO. I have no problem with the last few games of putting him or romo in to get game time and EXP....but some people were FURIOUS that Henson (not romo) was not named starter to finish the season.

Just something to consider.
 

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Rack said:
Just added Blackistone to the list of moronic mediots that I hate.


There's only like 3 that I don't hate.


Nothing wrong with what he said. He only stated the obvious.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Why most 3rd string QB tend to be developmental players. Unless you’re suggesting we only use keep 2 QB on the roster which I don't see any team in the NFL doing that
Thats exactly what am suggesting.........The developmental player could also be a guy that will have a chance to play and contribute this season. A guy like Pepper Johnson, Tony Curtis or Beriualt are considered developmental players whom have better cahcne of contributing that Henson does this season.
 

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Charles said:
Thats exactly what am suggesting.........The developmental player could also be a guy that will have a chance to play and contribute this season. A guy like Pepper Johnson, Tony Curtis or Beriualt are considered developmental players whom have better cahcne of contributing that Henson does this season.

I don't agree and would not want to lose Henson because I do think in the end Henson can develope into a quality player.
 

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Charles said:
Thats exactly what am suggesting.........The developmental player could also be a guy that will have a chance to play and contribute this season. A guy like Pepper Johnson, Tony Curtis or Beriualt are considered developmental players whom have better cahcne of contributing that Henson does this season.


Ahh but it is pretty much standard procedure for most NFL teams to have three QBs on the roster during the season EVEN if the third one is not active for many games.

It is not nothing new in other words and many times those players that are developmental that take up a last roster spot ....are inactive during many games.
 

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Charles said:
Thats exactly what am suggesting.........The developmental player could also be a guy that will have a chance to play and contribute this season. A guy like Pepper Johnson, Tony Curtis or Beriualt are considered developmental players whom have better cahcne of contributing that Henson does this season.

And if Henson progresses and eventually develops into a #1 QB he will have a greater impact going forward in Dallas than all three combined.

Risk/reward.
 
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