Bledsoe or McNabb?

[ABQCOWBOY]

The OL like who?

The ones who all got released or were allowed to leave?

Again, of what relivancy is this? If they are there or not, it has nothing to do with anything. How bout lets talk about the point here.

This is why I did not want to take the time to go off and start researching what you already know to be true. It goes away from the point of the discussion, which is what it seems you want to do.

Stay on point here.

 

[Stash]

Again, of what relivancy is this? If they are there or not, it has nothing to do with anything. How bout lets talk about the point here.

This is why I did not want to take the time to go off and start researching what you already know to be true. It goes away from the point of the discussion, which is what it seems you want to do.

Stay on point here.

I think the leadership factor is on point in this discussion. It's a major factor in my choosing Bledsoe, so anything which would affect that area would be of keen interest to me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the leadership factor is on point in this discussion. It's a major factor in my choosing Bledsoe, so anything which would affect that area would be of keen interest to me.

I do not. First, what happened in Buffalo has nothing to do with Dallas and how he is viewed by it's players, leader or not.

Second, Bledsoe has not lead our team to anything other then 9-7. Until he can lead us to a playoff birth, NFC Championship or SuperBowl, the comparisons are none existant. It is unfair to judge Bledsoe as a proven leader based on what he has accomplished in Dallas, thus far, and pound McNappie for the things he has done in the playoffs. Everybody seems to want to point to the fact that McNappie chocked in the big game but fail to recognize the fact that we have not reached that level yet. We don't have a basis for criteria as far as I am concerned. Now, if you wanted to compare during the regular season, OK but that's not what's happening here.

 

[wileedog]

As I recall, members of the OL and I believe Travis Henry both made comments about Bledsoe. There are always going to be some who don't like the QB on any team so I don't see it as a huge point one way or the other. I am not trying to muddy the water because I don't believe this point to be relivant. It does not support who is better, one way or the other.

I spent a good 20 minutes on Google (yes, i'm that bored) and this is all I could find.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/BUF/8259581

But while (Losman) is excited and feeling very fortunate about being handed the starting job, Losman said it's also an awkward situation. He'll have to win the respect and the support of his teammates, particularly the veterans who were strong Bledsoe supporters.

And yes, this point is on topic. No one questions McNabb's atheticsm over Bledsoe. But if you believe leadership is an important quality for your QB, then this has to be taken into consideration.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I spent a good 20 minutes on Google (yes, i'm that bored) and this is all I could find.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/BUF/8259581



And yes, this point is on topic. No one questions McNabb's atheticsm over Bledsoe. But if you believe leadership is an important quality for your QB, then this has to be taken into consideration.

What a shock.

One question. What does Bledsoe and Buffalo have to do with Dallas? What has Bledsoe done, and this is a question I have been asking for some time now, in Dallas that makes him so much better as a leader? Could it be that while I don't consider McNappie a great leader, per say, I also don't see Bledsoe as this great leader of men either?

 

[wileedog]

What a shock.

One question. What does Bledsoe and Buffalo have to do with Dallas? What has Bledsoe done, and this is a question I have been asking for some time now, in Dallas that makes him so much better as a leader? Could it be that while I don't consider McNappie a great leader, per say, I also don't see Bledsoe as this great leader of mean either?

You were the one who brought up that some players were happy to see Drew go.

Since no one can find anything resembling proof of this, and you don't even want to deign to try, you now come back and say its irrelevant?

I honestly looked for this because I wanted to know. Instead I found something suggesting that in fact the veterans of the team were big supporters of Drew.

So find something to back up your original statements, or even to back up why you don't think Drew has any leadership skills. I think he does. Apparantly by your standards, its up to you to prove otherwise.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You were the one who brought up that some players were happy to see Drew go.

Since no one can find anything resembling proof of this, and you don't even want to deign to try, you now come back and say its irrelevant?

I honestly looked for this because I wanted to know. Instead I found something suggesting that in fact the veterans of the team were big supporters of Drew.

So find something to back up your original statements, or even to back up why you don't think Drew has any leadership skills. I think he does. Apparantly by your standards, its up to you to prove otherwise.

Fine but first, answer this. How is it relivant to his situation in Dallas? What happened in Buffalo has no bearing, what so ever, in Dallas. How is it relivant before I go off and spend the 20 minutes I don't have to spear to do this silly BS?

 

[BruceWayne]

McNabb Bottom line he can make more plays than Bledsoe period. If that pocket collapses he's outta there where is Bledsoe will either take a sack or force an INT or throw the ball out of bounds

 

[Alexander]

It is unfair to judge Bledsoe as a proven leader based on what he has accomplished in Dallas, thus far, and pound McNappie for the things he has done in the playoffs. Everybody seems to want to point to the fact that McNappie chocked in the big game but fail to recognize the fact that we have not reached that level yet. We don't have a basis for criteria as far as I am concerned. Now, if you wanted to compare during the regular season, OK but that's not what's happening here.

Who is going off his tenure just in Dallas? I was talking New England and Buffalo. You are throwing out vague references about the OL, but cannot produce the evidence. And even are challenging us to stay to the point, when many of us are stating evidence of his leadership is a huge part of the point and factors in our decision.

 

[wileedog]

Fine but first, answer this. How is it relivant to his situation in Dallas? What happened in Buffalo has no bearing, what so ever, in Dallas. How is it relivant before I go off and spend the 20 minutes I don't have to spear to do this silly BS?

Who brought up Bledsoe in Buffalo in the first place?

And it is relevant (you were right to bring it up) because we only have 1 year of evidence about Drew's leadership abilities in Dallas. Its not Drew's fault the Flo got hurt and the kickers sucked. If neither of those things happened and Drew took a 6-10 team to the playoffs the next year, would that change your opinion of him?

Having more info about how the team responded to Drew in Buffalo helps sort out if he has better leadership skills than McNabb, which is the area where most of us think he is a better QB than him.

By all means don't spend any time with this "silly BS". But then stop making claims you can't back up.

 

[Alexander]

What a shock.

He'll have to win the respect and the support of his teammates, particularly the veterans who were strong Bledsoe supporters.

Indeed.

One question. What does Bledsoe and Buffalo have to do with Dallas? What has Bledsoe done, and this is a question I have been asking for some time now, in Dallas that makes him so much better as a leader? Could it be that while I don't consider McNappie a great leader, per say, I also don't see Bledsoe as this great leader of men either?

How about the things that McNabb hasn't been in Philadelphia?

See Parchy's accounts of how Bledsoe commands respect in the lockerroom. That says quite a bit to me.

 

[Alexander]

Who brought up Bledsoe in Buffalo in the first place?

And it is relevant (you were right to bring it up) because we only have 1 year of evidence about Drew's leadership abilities in Dallas. Its not Drew's fault the Flo got hurt and the kickers sucked. If neither of those things happened and Drew took a 6-10 team to the playoffs the next year, would that change your opinion of him?

Having more info about how the team responded to Drew in Buffalo helps sort out if he has better leadership skills than McNabb, which is the area where most of us think he is a better QB than him.

By all means don't spend any time with this "silly BS". But then stop making claims you can't back up.

Exactly. State something as "fact" (then don't back it up) and then dismiss it as irrelevant. Very strange.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He'll have to win the respect and the support of his teammates, particularly the veterans who were strong Bledsoe supporters.

Indeed.



How about the things that McNabb hasn't been in Philadelphia?

See Parchy's accounts of how Bledsoe commands respect in the lockerroom. That says quite a bit to me.

But how does any of this make him such a superior leader to the point of being a better QB?

 

[5Stars]

McSlobb is nothing more then a "gentle giant"...

He's a great athlete, somewhat good QB, but he is not a leader, at least a team leader.

If he were a team leader, and he really wanted too, he could have made it hard on the Eagle FO to get T.O. the coin that he wanted, that the Boyz gave him...

But, he did not step for his teammate...he basically told everyone that the Eagles were so GOOD that the really did not need T.O.... Then when T.O. made his stink...out came the "black on black" racial stuff!

McSlobb is not a leader...and if I had to go to war with someone, I would rather go with someone that can lead, not someone, that if things get out of hand, pulls out of the war to let someone else win it for him! Then throws up....

Is McSlobb a better athlete then Bledstatue...of course! Is he a better QB...? I doubt it...! Is he a leader? Hell no, he is not a leader...he's a lap dog...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Exactly. State something as "fact" (then don't back it up) and then dismiss it as irrelevant. Very strange.

Self annalysis I'm assuming here.

 

[5Stars]

Self annalysis I'm assuming here.

ABQCOWBOY...my friend, you are the quilty party in this dicussion, like it or not.

You brought things and won't back them up...

It's the same thing as the "rules of the forum"...Don't post info if you cannot provide proof...

Just an FYI....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ABQCOWBOY...my friend, you are the quilty party in this dicussion, like it or not.

You brought things and won't back them up...

It's the same thing as the "rules of the forum"...Don't post info if you cannot provide proof...

Just an FYI....

"quilty"? I'm assuming you mean guilty. Very well, I'm looking for any article that supports what I'm saying. I honestly did not want to have to do this for several reasons. One, it's like three years old now. How many articles do you find that old? Two, it's not a central point as to who is better. Three, it has nothing to do with anything.

I do, however, think it's interesting that of all the things you can ask about what I've posted, everybody hangs there hat on "not all the Bills were sorry to see Bledsoe leave."

I mean honestly, are you going to tell me that the Bills were sorry to see Bledsoe leave? If so, why don't you ever hear anything about that? It's cool thou. I'll continue to search.

 

[5Stars]

"quilty"? I'm assuming you mean guilty. Very well, I'm looking for any article that supports what I'm saying. I honestly did not want to have to do this for several reasons. One, it's like three years old now. How many articles do you find that old? Two, it's not a central point as to who is better. Three, it has nothing to do with anything.

I do, however, think it's interesting that of all the things you can ask about what I've posted, everybody hangs there hat on "not all the Bills were sorry to see Bledsoe leave."

I mean honestly, are you going to tell me that the Bills were sorry to see Bledsoe leave? If so, why don't you ever hear anything about that? It's cool thou. I'll continue to search.

No, I meant "quilty"...like a quilt, your are now trying to patch things up!

Really though, I understand exactely your point of view...I just think that Bledsoe lost his reputation up East when Brady came in and took his job and accomplished what he did.

However, I don't think Bledsoe is as bad as what alot of people think...look at VirusX's video and you can see...he can put that ball where he wants too!

He does need a line, because he can't scramble...you know, the "white men can't jump" line...but he can get it done.

Sometimes people need a change of scenery to revive themselves...it's like taking a vacation to get away from eveyone...and I think that BledStatue is a perfect fit for what Parcells wants for this years team....

BledSlow is not McNabb...McNabb can scoot out of there if things get bad, but if he needs to scoot out of there...then who's fault is that? The Oline or the recievers?

The thing is, not who is the better athlete, but, who is the better leader?

Anyway, there really is no sense of you having to go looking all around the net to find what you have said, because I do remember the same things that were said...

Now, get back to sewing that quilt!

 

[Stash]

"quilty"? I'm assuming you mean guilty. Very well, I'm looking for any article that supports what I'm saying. I honestly did not want to have to do this for several reasons. One, it's like three years old now. How many articles do you find that old? Two, it's not a central point as to who is better. Three, it has nothing to do with anything.

I do, however, think it's interesting that of all the things you can ask about what I've posted, everybody hangs there hat on "not all the Bills were sorry to see Bledsoe leave."

I mean honestly, are you going to tell me that the Bills were sorry to see Bledsoe leave? If so, why don't you ever hear anything about that? It's cool thou. I'll continue to search.

It may have nothing to do with it in your opinion. In the opinions of myself and other it has a lot to do with it.

We value a quarterback's leadership skills as much as his mobility.

Brady doesn't have great mobility or arm strength or other "testable" qualities - hence he lasts until the 6th round. His leadership sets him apart from the rest.

Joe Montana had it as well.

Manning, Marino, Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper have great physical measurables but never get the job done when they need to.

Sometimes, innate qualities such as leadership or the lack therof can separate good players from great ones.

 

[wileedog]

I mean honestly, are you going to tell me that the Bills were sorry to see Bledsoe leave? If so, why don't you ever hear anything about that? It's cool thou. I'll continue to search.

I don't think you are going to find many quotes either way.

As a matter of respect you rarely hear players comment on comings and going, especially QB's. Furthermore, with a new QB coming in, do you expect anyone to publically disparage the new guy by openly wishing the old guy hadn't left? How do you think your GM (the guy in charge of your next contract negotiation and the guy who thought of dumping Bledsoe) is going to react to that?

BUt I will say that when they gave the job to Losman Moulds proceeded to pout his way off the team.

WHatever. I've spent enough time on this, and I think everyone's position has been (over)stated enough.