Bledsoe or McNabb?

[Stash]

How did either one of these incidents help us get to the playoffs?

Lets stop dealing in abstracts here. None of the above is anything more then abstract. Conclusive evidence if you will. McNappie has taken his team to the playoffs, the NFC championship 4 years straight with one superbowl appearance.

Discussion should really start and end right here.

And maybe it does - for you. That's all you want to see about the comparison and that's your right - and nothing more.

Conclusive evidence also shows a guy who choked at every big opportunity.

Evidence shows a player who got worse last year, not better. He cost his team more games than he won since last season's NFC Championship Game.

And again, what good team did McNabb and the Eagles ever beat?

 

[5Stars]

And maybe it does - for you. That's all you want to see about the comparison and that's your right - and nothing more.

Conclusive evidence also shows a guy who choked at every big opportunity.

Evidence shows a player who got worse last year, not better. He cost his team more games than he won since last season's NFC Championship Game.

And again, what good team did McNabb and the Eagles ever beat?

Another bad example of poor leadership from McSlobb is the "black on black" crime reference!

What leader would ever say such a stupid thing as that? McSlobb is nothing but Andy Reid's lap dog...if even that...

 

[wileedog]

How did either one of these incidents help us get to the playoffs?

Lets stop dealing in abstracts here. None of the above is anything more then abstract. Conclusive evidence if you will. McNappie has taken his team to the playoffs, the NFC championship 4 years straight with one superbowl appearance.

Discussion should really start and end right here.

With a top ranked defense and when the other 3 teams in the NFCE, and most of the teams in the NFC in general, stunk.

Granted they had injury problems, but that team was nowhere near as good when us, the Giants and Skins all got better. Their defense wasn't hit nearly as hard by injuries and they were borderline pourous in some games.

 

[dargonking999]

And maybe it does - for you. That's all you want to see about the comparison and that's your right - and nothing more.

Conclusive evidence also shows a guy who choked at every big opportunity.

Evidence shows a player who got worse last year, not better. He cost his team more games than he won since last season's NFC Championship Game.

And again, what good team did McNabb and the Eagles ever beat?

...starts to think back to after leading a perfect season gets beaten by the steelers, while having Hins Ward mock there eagle dance. LOL.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually what you are being shown is that McNabb is a worse QB than his talent level should allow him to be.

There is no question that he is the better overall athlete by far.

But the mental game and the team leadership is an imprortant part of being a QB, and while Bledsoe may not be John Elway, McNabb is no Bledsoe.

I think its impossible to argue the point that someone made that 32 out of 32 GMs would take McNabb over Bledsoe, if only to avoid the lynching they would get from their fans.

But if on the other hand you told those 32 GMs you had to invest $100M in him, eat up a bunch of your cap space, and have him be the 'leadership' on your team, a *LOT* less then 32 would take you up on that.

The question is, who is the better QB, right now. Not, who would I rather have. Not who is the better value or how many teams, out of 32, would take McNabb over Bledsoe. Right now, the better QB is McNabb. That's it IMO. I suppose cap impications could play a part but that too is relative. Who can know what McNabb would sign for if he were playing with another of the teams in the NFL? That too is speculative. If you view this from absolutes, the only logical conclusion, IMO, is McNabb over Bledsoe at this point.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

With a top ranked defense and when the other 3 teams in the NFCE, and most of the teams in the NFC in general, stunk.

Granted they had injury problems, but that team was nowhere near as good when us, the Giants and Skins all got better. Their defense wasn't hit nearly as hard by injuries and they were borderline pourous in some games.

You don't consider FA losses over the last few years but no matter. This is not about defense. It is about who is the better QB. Defense does not play a role in things like QB rating, to ratios, sacks for losses etc. All the rest is distraction from the real question.

Nothing I have read leads me to believe that Bledsoe is the better QB at this time. I'm sorry, I can't agree with your position.

 

[Stash]

The question is, who is the better QB, right now. Not, who would I rather have. Not who is the better value or how many teams, out of 32, would take McNabb over Bledsoe. Right now, the better QB is McNabb. That's it IMO. I suppose cap impications could play a part but that too is relative. Who can know what McNabb would sign for if he were playing with another of the teams in the NFL? That too is speculative. If you view this from absolutes, the only logical conclusion, IMO, is McNabb over Bledsoe at this point.

Maybe this is where you got it wrong:

The question was who would you want quarterbacking your team (that would be the Cowboys for us).

And I take it to be for this season. If the parameter is 5 years or more, then my answer might change strictly due to age.

But I want a guy who sticks up for himself when challenged, not some wuss who hides behind management.

I want a leader on whatever level it might be over a guy I know has no leadership qualities.

And I sure don't want a quarterback who has choked away every big-game opportunity he's ever had.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Mcnabb did nothing, he was helped by a great system, and a stellar Def, his effectivness was cleary shown in the playoffs, when even at home he refused to win a game, untill he finally picked up TO, and played ATL(a dome team) at home. U

sing the the words Mcnabb and lead in the same sentecn does not work unless doesnt or cant is in between. Discusion ends right there

This is irrational. What you are saying here is not factual. I expect better from you DK.

Who is the better QB? McNabb and what he did or didn't do in NFC championship games is irrelivant. Who is the better QB? Give me proof other then what you think personally of the player. I don't like McNabb either. Still, he is the better player at this point in his career.

 

[wileedog]

The question is, who is the better QB, right now. Not, who would I rather have. Not who is the better value or how many teams, out of 32, would take McNabb over Bledsoe. Right now, the better QB is McNabb. That's it IMO. I suppose cap impications could play a part but that too is relative. Who can know what McNabb would sign for if he were playing with another of the teams in the NFL? That too is speculative. If you view this from absolutes, the only logical conclusion, IMO, is McNabb over Bledsoe at this point.

Actually, no, the question as stated on the poll is:

"Which one do you want quarterbacking your team?"

Since I wouldn't pay for McNabb and I don't like how he handles his team I wouldn't want him on mine.

However were I a GM, I would get absolutely pasted by the press and fanbase for taking Bledsoe because McNabb has been built up into Wonderboy, a la Brett Favre.

So I stand by my original decision. I'll take McNabb and trade him for a couple #1 picks.

 

[wileedog]

You don't consider FA losses over the last few years but no matter. This is not about defense. It is about who is the better QB. Defense does not play a role in things like QB rating, to ratios, sacks for losses etc. All the rest is distraction from the real question.

So in your opinion QUincy was a good QB because he led his team to the playoffs? The defense had nothing to do with it?

And BTW, why did they have FA losses?

Oh yeah, $100M going to the QB.

Look, on sheer talent, McNabb is a better QB. Can't argue it.

BUt he's over-rated and I don't think he will ever win the big game. But that's JMO.

 

[Stash]

This is irrational. What you are saying here is not factual. I expect better from you DK.

Who is the better QB? McNabb and what he did or didn't do in NFC championship games is irrelivant. Who is the better QB? Give me proof other then what you think personally of the player. I don't like McNabb either. Still, he is the better player at this point in his career.

Again, you take the shrinking violet that wilts under pressure. We'll take the guy that stood in when every game came down to the wire last year.

McNabb does a nice job front-running with a 3 TD lead.

And an even better job of curling up into the fetal positon when the chips are down.

He can have whatever regular season numbers you want, but when the games really count, he sucks.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe this is where you got it wrong:

The question was who would you want quarterbacking your team (that would be the Cowboys for us).

And I take it to be for this season. If the parameter is 5 years or more, then my answer might change strictly due to age.

But I want a guy who sticks up for himself when challenged, not some wuss who hides behind management.

I want a leader on whatever level it might be over a guy I know has no leadership qualities.

And I sure don't want a quarterback who has choked away every big-game opportunity he's ever had.

Perhaps. I would never take McNabb to QB us "This Year" if only because TO is signed. Clearly, that won't work. However, McNabb is the better QB. I don't believe that there is anything anybody can post as evidence that would disprove this, at this point in time.

 

[Alexander]

Do the research. There were most certainly players on the Bills team who were happy to see Bledsoe gone.

I am too lazy. Link?

This is really a pointless discussion. This perception of Bledsoe being a leader or not is inconclusive. What has Bledsoe done here to have people claim that Buffalo was wrong or right?

Be better than J.P. Losman, perhaps? There is a reason they now have no starter and Losman has to compete with Kelly Holcomb and Craig Nall of all people. Buffalo made a mistake. And it is no coincidence that the entire OL save a few players that protected Bledsoe are now gone.

Same goes for McNappie. Is he a leader? There will always be guys in the club house who don't agree but you look to what the team says. They make the decisions. The team supports McNappie. That's the way it is. You ask what McNabb has done? Well, he lead his team to something like 3 consecutive NFC championship games. Not just a case of being the QB but actually being a player that has been directly responsible, through his play, for there success.

They do? I can find actual documentation that states that he didn't have the unmitigated support of all his teammates in the Owens fiasco. That's how Owens was able to "divide" the lockerroom in the first place. McNabb never had a firm grasp of it to begin with. You can only win over people who want to be won over. And Owens did that. What does that tell you about the support for him behind closed doors?

The question here is who is the better QB? All of this BS about Bledsoe being the better leader or whatever is subjective. Bledsoe has done nothing to seperate himself as the superior leader. To say he has, is not a factual statement. It is an opinion. The numbers are quantifiable. They tell the story. If you can identify how Bledsoe has proven himself to be the better leader and thus, the better QB, proceed.

Please. If you don't believe leadership is an important part of the piece, then you have no idea what you are talking about. Leadership and intangibles are very important. Ryan Leaf had all the measureables, but couldn't lead. Quincy Carter had all the measureables, but couldn't lead.

 

[adbutcher]

I think so too.

 

[Stash]

Perhaps. I would never take McNabb to QB us "This Year" if only because TO is signed. Clearly, that won't work. However, McNabb is the better QB. I don't believe that there is anything anybody can post as evidence that would disprove this, at this point in time.

Perhaps?

My not taking him has nothing to do with Terrell Owens.

I don't want a quarterback who has zero leadership qualities

I wouldn't take him this year because I hope to win a championship - something McChoke-artist has shown ad nauseum that he can't do.

The "evidence" is that he can't win the big game. And there's plenty of that.

The "evidence" is that he can't lead a team. And there's plenty of that.

 

[CalMor]

With our current OL- McNabb

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So in your opinion QUincy was a good QB because he led his team to the playoffs? The defense had nothing to do with it?

And BTW, why did they have FA losses?

Oh yeah, $100M going to the QB.

Look, on sheer talent, McNabb is a better QB. Can't argue it.

BUt he's over-rated and I don't think he will ever win the big game. But that's JMO.

If Quincy had lead us to multiple playoff births, multiple consecutive NFC championships, a SuperBowl, posted QB rating numbers, TO to TD ratios and overall QB stats McNabb has done, absolutly. However, that did not happen so the question is not one that I would ever have to address in the positive.

If you review my posts, you will see that I have never said that I would pay the guy what he's making. That he is a great leader or anything remotley close to that. In fact, my first post says the following:

Unfortunate that these are the only two options.

Oh well, I pick McNabb.

Clearly, I am not in love with McNabb. However, I would pick him over Bledsoe if I had to pick one of the two.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I am too lazy. Link?



Be better than J.P. Losman, perhaps? There is a reason they now have no starter and Losman has to compete with Kelly Holcomb and Craig Nall of all people. Buffalo made a mistake. And it is no coincidence that the entire OL save a few players that protected Bledsoe are now gone.



They do? I can find actual documentation that states that he didn't have the unmitigated support of all his teammates in the Owens fiasco. That's how Owens was able to "divide" the lockerroom in the first place. McNabb never had a firm grasp of it to begin with. You can only win over people who want to be won over. And Owens did that. What does that tell you about the support for him behind closed doors?



Please. If you don't believe leadership is an important part of the piece, then you have no idea what you are talking about. Leadership and intangibles are very important. Ryan Leaf had all the measureables, but couldn't lead. Quincy Carter had all the measureables, but couldn't lead.

Do your own homework, then we can talk about the rest.

 

[wileedog]

Clearly, I am not in love with McNabb. However, I would pick him over Bledsoe if I had to pick one of the two.

With our current O-line I would too, as I said early in the thread.

Just pointing out that its not as clear cut in reality as it is on the stats sheet.

 

[wileedog]

Do your own homework, then we can talk about the rest.

You were the one who insinuated that there were players on Buffalo who were happy to see Drew leave.

Think the onus is on you to prove that one.