Bledsoe or Quincy?

[superpunk]

The Bengals are 3-1.


Having a QB that can complete more than every other pass probably has something to do with it.

You can keep saying that completed passes win games.

Maybe eventually they'll start scoring games that way.

I've got dibs on Damon Huard, in that fantasy league.

 

[Rack]

Your football IQ is awesome.

I mean, up til today, I thought that a turnover was a turnover. Come to find out, lost fumbles aren't nearly so bad as interceptions. OF course, that's probably only true if you're trying to start a flimsy, ridiculous argument.

I'm just stunned that the QB with the league's highest QB rating is 1-3. You would think, if they were following your brilliant guide to winning, they'd be undefeated.

Bizarre stuff.

Owned.

 

[dougonthebench]

please dont start this!

 

[Martice]

I think this is a good question. The people who responded with Bledsoe never explain why. You can say that QC had a drug problem but I didn't know that until the day he was released.

Speaking of on the field play what are the advantages DB has over QC?


Then again.... Never mind. I don't think I want to get into this one.

 

[rcaldw]

Not to mention that even if Palmer is struggling, he has a reason to struggle. He is coming off a terribly blown knee. Just look to Dante Culpepper to see how difficult that can be.

But he is young, and he will probably get more and more healthy and knock off more and more rust.

The only excuse that can reasonably be offerred for Bledsoe is his offensive line problems. The problem there is that he mysteriously has these problems everywhere he goes these days. Every line he plays behind can't protect the passer.

 

[Rack]

Not to mention that even if Palmer is struggling, he has a reason to struggle. He is coming off a terribly blown knee. Just look to Dante Culpepper to see how difficult that can be.

But he is young, and he will probably get more and more healthy and knock off more and more rust.

The only excuse that can reasonably be offerred for Bledsoe is his offensive line problems. The problem there is that he mysteriously has these problems everywhere he goes these days. Every line he plays behind can't protect the passer.

Culpepper is a HORRIBLE example considering he sucked last year BEFORE he got hurt.

 

[THUMPER]

Since this is a totally hypothetical question let's set it up properly:

Qunicy Carter without the drug issues, playing on this team, behind this O-Line would be a better choice this year than Bledsoe IMO. He had the mobility to avoid pressure and while he didn't throw the prettiest passes around he could get them to where they needed to go.

Playing behind this O-Line, Bledsoe is the wrong choice vs almost anyone.

Just for the record, Carter was nowhere near as bad as some people like to think and Spags had a definite thing against QC and FOR Chad Hutchinson. Drugs ruined Carter's opportunity to have a career in the NFL... well that and a lack of intelligence but we won't go into that just now.

While we're on the subject of fantasizing about QBs we would rather have, we had a chance to trade up for Carson Palmer in the 2003 draft and passed on it because the braintrust felt that we were OK at QB with Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Clint Stoerner.

 

[superpunk]

Not to mention that even if Palmer is struggling, he has a reason to struggle. He is coming off a terribly blown knee. Just look to Dante Culpepper to see how difficult that can be.

But he is young, and he will probably get more and more healthy and knock off more and more rust.

The only excuse that can reasonably be offerred for Bledsoe is his offensive line problems. The problem there is that he mysteriously has these problems everywhere he goes these days. Every line he plays behind can't protect the passer.

I'm not suggesting Palmer's a dud, or anything. He's one of my favorite players, he's going to be great. If you look at my original post about him and Bledsoe, it makes perfect sense.

Silly little people who look for silly arguments just kind of *******ize the original point when they make posts begging to look foolish.

If given the choice of Palmer or Bledsoe? That doesn't require an answer. A blind monkey with a learning disability could make the right choice, there.

 

[dbair1967]

Carson Palmer...Drew Bledsoe...Q-bong

which of these 3 isnt like the other

cant figure out why two different kinds of feces are being compared with a diamond

David

 

[rcaldw]

Culpepper is a HORRIBLE example considering he sucked last year BEFORE he got hurt.

Let me clarify, since I agree with you that Culpepper was terrible last year as well. I am only referring to the fact that Culpepper has obviously lost some mobility, some lateral quickness, and even looks to limp at times.

I'm not even saying that Palmer is having those same issues, but it has to be difficult, especially in your first 4 regular season games, to return from the knee injury he had last year.

So, maybe Palmer's return from injury is playing SOME role in his turnover struggle. Not saying that is the case, just saying it is possible.

Now, what is Bledsoe's reason?

 

[superpunk]

Let me clarify, since I agree with you that Culpepper was terrible last year as well. I am only referring to the fact that Culpepper has obviously lost some mobility, some lateral quickness, and even looks to limp at times.

I'm not even saying that Palmer is having those same issues, but it has to be difficult, especially in your first 4 regular season games, to return from the knee injury he had last year.

So, maybe Palmer's return from injury is playing SOME role in his turnover struggle. Not saying that is the case, just saying it is possible.

Now, what is Bledsoe's reason?

He doesn't need an excuse.

He's Drew Bledsoe GD it!

 

[rcaldw]

I'm not suggesting Palmer's a dud, or anything. He's one of my favorite players, he's going to be great. If you look at my original post about him and Bledsoe, it makes perfect sense.

Silly little people who look for silly arguments just kind of *******ize the original point when they make posts begging to look foolish.

If given the choice of Palmer or Bledsoe? That doesn't require an answer. A blind monkey with a learning disability could make the right choice, there.

I agree SP, and I wasn't even responding to the original question, I was just commenting on Bledsoe's struggles being compared with Palmer's.

 

[rcaldw]

Since this is a totally hypothetical question let's set it up properly:

Qunicy Carter without the drug issues, playing on this team, behind this O-Line would be a better choice this year than Bledsoe IMO. He had the mobility to avoid pressure and while he didn't throw the prettiest passes around he could get them to where they needed to go.

Playing behind this O-Line, Bledsoe is the wrong choice vs almost anyone.

Just for the record, Carter was nowhere near as bad as some people like to think and Spags had a definite thing against QC and FOR Chad Hutchinson. Drugs ruined Carter's opportunity to have a career in the NFL... well that and a lack of intelligence but we won't go into that just now.

While we're on the subject of fantasizing about QBs we would rather have, we had a chance to trade up for Carson Palmer in the 2003 draft and passed on it because the braintrust felt that we were OK at QB with Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Clint Stoerner.

I would still rather have Bledsoe than Carter. I have never felt more hopeless and despondant as a Cowboys fan than when Quincy Carter was our QB. At least with Bledsoe you have some hope, and he conducts himself in a way that never makes you ashamed.

 

[Rack]

Let me clarify, since I agree with you that Culpepper was terrible last year as well. I am only referring to the fact that Culpepper has obviously lost some mobility, some lateral quickness, and even looks to limp at times.

I'm not even saying that Palmer is having those same issues, but it has to be difficult, especially in your first 4 regular season games, to return from the knee injury he had last year.

So, maybe Palmer's return from injury is playing SOME role in his turnover struggle. Not saying that is the case, just saying it is possible.

Now, what is Bledsoe's reason?

Still not a good example cuz Palmer wasn't a mobile QB before his injury anyway.


But I get what you're trying to say.

I don't think Palmer's injury is affecting him as bad as Culpepper's is affecting his game. And Culpepper sucked when he was healthy so that's bad news for him.

 

[superpunk]

I agree SP, and I wasn't even responding to the original question, I was just commenting on Bledsoe's struggles being compared with Palmer's.

That's the trouble, though.

They're not being compared, except by some insecure kid who likes to get into it every chance he gets.

Look back at my response to davidyee. Palmer only came up as me saying that, in effect, people are never satisfied. Even if we had him, people would be *****ing about his terrible start this year. I can see it.."Should we have drafted Leftwich?"

You know I'm right.

 

[Cochese]

Bledsoe is at the bottom of every passing category, you were wrong and you are still wrong. The QB's in the league playing worse than Bledsoe would be Young and Walter. Thats about it.

 

[superpunk]

OK.

I was wrong. Way wrong. I couldn't be more wrong. If the right answer walked up to me, slapped me in the face, said "Listen - moron! I'm the right answer!" I still wouldn't know the right answer.

I cower before your completion percentage. My apologies.

 

[Cochese]

OK.

I was wrong. Way wrong. I couldn't be more wrong. If the right answer walked up to me, slapped me in the face, said "Listen - moron! I'm the right answer!" I still wouldn't know the right answer.

I cower before your completion percentage. My apologies.

If you think its only about completion percentage go here, click on every passing category and see what name is on the bottom or near it in everything but sacks and sack yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=int%&league=nfl&season=2&year=2006

 

[Doomsday101]

OK.

I was wrong. Way wrong. I couldn't be more wrong. If the right answer walked up to me, slapped me in the face, said "Listen - moron! I'm the right answer!" I still wouldn't know the right answer.

I cower before your completion percentage. My apologies.

Why can't you be that way when we disagree?

 

[superpunk]

I already said I was wrong. You were completely right. About everything. Ever.

I'm not sure what more you want. Do you want me to build like a Completion Percentage/QB rating/anti-blue chip QB prospect altar, and offer sweet sacrifices to it? I could give that a shot.