Bledsoe over the last 4 games

[Zaxor]

150 passes more for a season on a team nowhere near as good. SOme of the posters here want to forget that Bledsoe NEVER had anywhere near the TEAM Aikman did.
Troy did not have to pass all that much. Also, he had better WR's and TE's mostly then Bledsoe did. BLedsoe did not have Emmitt Smith in the backfield or our O line.
True- it was a SB season for the Pats- but they just did not have the TEAM we did.

What????!!!!

Curtis Martin...
Terry Glenn
Ben Coates

you are calling them POS

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree. This is also a different team. As for the rings that is a team achievement not a QB achievement. Had Marino had the defense and running game the Cowboys had who is to say he would not have had 3 rings or more. The fact that guys Marino and Fouts are in the HOF despite not having a SB title says a lot about how great they were.

I think you'll be able to add Moon to that list also.

 

[joseephuss]

What a flawed way of looking at things using stats. You take the last 4 games for Bledsoe and compare that to Aikmans career numbers. That isn't close to being the same thing. A terrible sampling of numbers. And it should not be about Aikman anyway. This is about the current team.

Bledsoe's last 4 games have not been as good as his previous 4 games. That is relevant. So is the fact that the team is 3-1 in those games. Shows that the team is more than just a QB. The goal is to have his next 4 games be better than his last 4 games.

The evaluation of Bledsoe in Dallas is on going. It is not dependent on his best 4 years in New England or his trouble in Buffalo the last 2 years. To even try to compare his tenure in Dallas to Aikman's is unfair to both quarterbacks. Also doesn't make sense either. Aikman's career is completed and his acomplishments are well known and respected. Bledsoe is barely through half a season.

 

[visionary]

Troy was a hero, and I never said Drew was better. I just use Troy as the standard of perfection and remind you that he too was not perfect. He threw interceptions. He had games with 110 yards 0 TDs (and won a Super Bowl that year). And he kept them winning, as Drew has. And remember, we're comparing Drew at age 33 to Troy at age 27. Otherwise Drew has 4500 yards and 28 TDs per season.

When you realise that you have dug yourself into a ditch, the first step is to stop digging. Stop defending your hopeless position and all this will go away.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think you'll be able to add Moon to that list also.

I agree. I just don't buy into the greatness of a QB is measured by a team achievement like a SB. Granted all of these QB's who have not won a SB will say they would give anything to get 1 but it still takes a team. Bradshaw does not win a SB without the Steele Curtain; Roger does not win it without Doomsday. There are just too many factors to winning a SB and while QB is one of those parts it is not the only part.

 

[Zaxor]

plus...

keith byars
Tedy Bruschi
Dave Meggett
Ty Law
Lawyer Milloy
Willie McGinest
Adam Vinatieri
Troy Brown
Sam Gash
Ted Johnson

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree. I just don't buy into the greatness of a QB is measured by a team achievement like a SB. Granted all of these QB's who have not won a SB will say they would give anything to get 1 but it still takes a team. Bradshaw does not win a SB without the Steele Curtain; Roger does not win it without Doomsday. There are just too many factors to winning a SB and while QB is one of those parts it is not the only part.

You bet.

Fouts, Moon, Marino... even Bledsoe. I think the could have easily have won a SB with the early 90's Cowboys. Fouts, Moon and Marino were outstanding to great. I rate Bledsoe being good to very good.

Aikman given the opportunity could have IMO put up the passing numbers any of them have. Fundamentally he was more than capable. You put Aikman in the same offense with say Bledsoe and I think Aikman would put up numbers that are 5-10% better all the way around. Bledsoe isn't trash but Aikman truly is one of the greats of all time from a fundamental aspect.

 

[joseephuss]

I agree. I just don't buy into the greatness of a QB is measured by a team achievement like a SB. Granted all of these QB's who have not won a SB will say they would give anything to get 1 but it still takes a team. Bradshaw does not win a SB without the Steele Curtain; Roger does not win it without Doomsday. There are just too many factors to winning a SB and while QB is one of those parts it is not the only part.

Well stated.

Simms, Hostetler and Dilfer have all been fortunate to be Superbowl winners, but would anyone take them over Marino, Fouts or Moon?

 

[kojak]

I think you'll be able to add Moon to that list also.

Jim Kelly would be another. He was just unlucky because of the NFC dominance at the time.

 

[Doomsday101]

You bet.

Fouts, Moon, Marino... even Bledsoe. I think the could have easily have won a SB with the early 90's Cowboys. Fouts, Moon and Marino were outstanding to great. I rate Bledsoe being good to very good.

Aikman given the opportunity could have IMO put up the passing numbers any of them have. Fundamentally he was more than capable. You put Aikman in the same offense with say Bledsoe and I think Aikman would put up numbers that are 5-10% better all the way around. Bledsoe isn't trash but Aikman truly is one of the greats of all time from a fundamental aspect.

I agree Troy may not have the numbers of some of the others but I think in the same system these other QB's played in Troy would have been able to put up the big numbers as well but he may never have won a SB. The total package is what got Dallas the 3 rings.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Jim Kelly would be another. He was just unlucky because of the NFC dominance at the time.

Oh boy... you said it. I hated the Bills but he is certainly one of the all-time greats.

 

[Zaxor]

I agree. I just don't buy into the greatness of a QB is measured by a team achievement like a SB. Granted all of these QB's who have not won a SB will say they would give anything to get 1 but it still takes a team. Bradshaw does not win a SB without the Steele Curtain; Roger does not win it without Doomsday. There are just too many factors to winning a SB and while QB is one of those parts it is not the only part.

I disagree in part because it may help to determine if their are patterns that form... such as taken sacks and throwing picks under pressure or if a QB is clutch and one way you can tell is a SB though not the be all end all of the arguement

 

[Zaxor]

I agree Troy may not have the numbers of some of the others but I think in the same system these other QB's played in Troy would have been able to put up the big numbers as well but he may never have won a SB. The total package is what got Dallas the 3 rings.

some people forget Troy set a NFL passing record in his rookie year

 

[Doomsday101]

I disagree in part because it may help to determine if their are patterns that form... such as taken sacks and throwing picks under pressure or if a QB is clutch and one way you can tell is a SB though not the be all end all of the arguement

I'm not saying QB is not important but Simms, Hostetler, Dilfer, Doug Williams and Jim Plunkett are not great QB's they played on great teams and I don't care how good your QB is if you don't have a great team your not going to the SB period

 

[sporadic]

Aikman was the ultimate game manager...the team was set up to control the clock. not throw it all over the lot. I think his numbers would have been better had he played for someone else...but...I also think there are a few other QB's that could have prospered (not saying been better than Troy, but prospered) in The Dallas System from 92 to 95. Remember, one of our SB was a complete rout, the other two were more grind it out games with Aikman having inferior stats...do you really think Aikman was the only QB that could have won those games. DONT get me wrong, I think Aikman is great, but he does get a little too much love sometimes. Also, he was REALLY bad at the end of his carreer when the team wasn't very good...

 

[Doomsday101]

some people forget Troy set a NFL passing record in his rookie year

Yet it was the worst year from a win/loss stand point, he had little around talent him

 

[kartr]

I'm just pointing out the facts ma'am. Drew has an 81 rating the last 4 games, and that is Troy's career rating. And he's winning 75% of his games. So he's not that bad is he? You want to worship Troy and criticize Drew for having the same numbers? Point is, Drew in the first few games put up better numbers than Troy normally did, Troy was never on a 4000 yard pace for 9 games. Now we criticize Drew for being more like Troy.

He's winning 75% in the NFC. There is some incredibly mediocre football being played this year and with all of our upgrades we're staggering our way to the finish line with a so called 'franchise qb'. We have 27 sacks and 11 ints already, the best defensive numbers we've had in years and probably the best combination of backs and receivers we've ever had period, and yet, he's still struggling. So much for the best qb we've had since Aikman.

 

[visionary]

here is a simple question which should put this discussion to rest:


the cowboys are in the superbowl this year and you have the choice of QB, do you take aikman (in his prime) or bledsoe?

for me: aikman hands down.

case closed.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

here is a simple question which should put this discussion to rest:


the cowboys are in the superbowl this year and you have the choice of QB, do you take aikman (in his prime) or bledsoe?

for me: aikman hands down.

case closed.

Correct. Not even a tough decision.

 

[joseephuss]

He's winning 75% in the NFC. There is some incredibly mediocre football being played this year and with all of our upgrades we're staggering our way to the finish line with a so called 'franchise qb'. We have 27 sacks and 11 ints already, the best defensive numbers we've had in years and probably the best combination of backs and receivers we've ever had period, and yet, he's still struggling. So much for the best qb we've had since Aikman.

The line also became weaker than it has in the past couple of seasons due to starting a rookie and the loss of Adams. The 2003 line had 2 pro-bowlers on the left side.

Bledsoe is struggling the last few games, but not the whole season. I don't think I have seen anyone bash Bledsoe to the point that he should be replaced except for you. They just think he needs to step his game up a little for the playoff run. Not lights out football, but better than his last few games. That is realistic. Bringing back Quincy is not.