Bledsoe over the last 4 games

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kartr said:
He's winning 75% in the NFC. There is some incredibly mediocre football being played this year and with all of our upgrades we're staggering our way to the finish line with a so called 'franchise qb'. We have 27 sacks and 11 ints already, the best defensive numbers we've had in years and probably the best combination of backs and receivers we've ever had period, and yet, he's still struggling. So much for the best qb we've had since Aikman.

Last time I checked I believe it was 20 wins a piece in the AFC/NFC games this year...
 

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joseephuss said:
What a flawed way of looking at things using stats. You take the last 4 games for Bledsoe and compare that to Aikmans career numbers. That isn't close to being the same thing. A terrible sampling of numbers. And it should not be about Aikman anyway. This is about the current team.

Bledsoe's last 4 games have not been as good as his previous 4 games. That is relevant. So is the fact that the team is 3-1 in those games. Shows that the team is more than just a QB. The goal is to have his next 4 games be better than his last 4 games.

The evaluation of Bledsoe in Dallas is on going. It is not dependent on his best 4 years in New England or his trouble in Buffalo the last 2 years. To even try to compare his tenure in Dallas to Aikman's is unfair to both quarterbacks. Also doesn't make sense either. Aikman's career is completed and his acomplishments are well known and respected. Bledsoe is barely through half a season.
Great post...

Can't think of a thing to add...
 

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big_neil said:
Everyone wants to keep whining about Bledsoe over the last 4 games, but here are the numbers:

61/95 (64%) 662 yards 3 TD 3 INT 7 YPA 81.1 Rating.

3 Wins 1 Loss

Those numbers are remarkably similar to Troy Aikman's career statistics (61% 1 TD per game, 7 YPA 81 Rating).

Aikmans "career" stats include a few ****ty years at the beginning and the end, so thats a bad comparison. How about Bledose about a 97 rating first 6 games vs 81 last 4. Thats a better comparison. Im not bashing Bledsoe, just pointing out a better way to compare.
 

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the best defensive numbers we've had in years and probably the best combination of backs and receivers we've ever had period.......

huh? slow down partner, that last comment is a bit ridiculous
 

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for me: aikman .... case closed.

Said the judge, jury and executioner. And sorry, you're pipedreaming. I like how you put Aikman in his prime versus Bledsoe (now). And he's not going to maintain 97 all year, nor will anyone in the NFC. Even after a slump, he's still the highest in the NFC.
 

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big_neil said:
Said the judge, jury and executioner. And sorry, you're pipedreaming. I like how you put Aikman in his prime versus Bledsoe (now). And he's not going to maintain 97 all year, nor will anyone in the NFC. Even after a slump, he's still the highest in the NFC.
Highest rated does no equal best.

He's not the best QB in the NFC. Top 5 in NFC, maybe. Several guys I'd trade straight across for him though.

He benefits from some injuries to key QBs. He benefits form being on a solid team.

He's having a good year. No one is denying that.
 

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big_neil said:
Said the judge, jury and executioner. And sorry, you're pipedreaming. I like how you put Aikman in his prime versus Bledsoe (now). And he's not going to maintain 97 all year, nor will anyone in the NFC. Even after a slump, he's still the highest in the NFC.
I'm not sure why you're engaging in this debate (or picking this fight, to put it more bluntly).

Can't you see that you're turning people against Bledsoe with every agitating post and thread? Isn't this the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish?

Defend Bledsoe all you want when people attack him unfairly... but don't do it at the expense of one the most beloved and appreciated Cowboys in recent memory.

I am one of the biggest Bledsoe fans here. In addition to being a life-long Cowboys fan, I've been a fan of Drew's since his days at Wazzu. To see him quarterbacking my favorite team is a real thrill, and I want to see him succeed here in Dallas possibly more than anyone else.

But in the end, he will have to let his play do his talking for him. He doesn't need to put up stellar, pro bowl numbers either. He just has to lead the team effectively, intelligently, and with class... all of which I know he's capable of doing. If he wins doing that, he will be embraced. He will go up in the pantheon of great Cowboys quarterbacks, and he won't need you or I to defend him here.

Until then, just relax and have fun rooting for the greatest franchise on earth.
 

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I dont think he was really meaning to compare the two as in they are just alike. What I think he wanted to convey was Bledsoes not as bad as some would make him out to be. His numbers reflect Aikmans numbers. You would never call Aikman a bumm, so why are ya'll calling Bledsoe a bumm with the same numbers? I am sure he did not mean to stir up the hornets nest, so to speak.

Either way, Go Bledsoe, may you QB the Cowboys till we find out next Aikman.
 

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Yeah, he was wacky, but his long-winded diatribes were amusing.

I came in on the Tuna bandwagon, but I can't imagine having the nerve to show up on this board and make comparisons between Bill and Tom Landry, or even Jimmy Johnson. Comparisons between players and coaches should be made, but forgetting (or deliberately overlooking) what a coach or player meant to a particular fanbase is flat out rude. But then Pats fans are not exactly known as the sharpest knives in the drawer.

The mentality that can never see beyond stats, and minimizes intangibles, renders debates moot. Anyone who observed Aikman's accuracy and wasn't amazed by it is jaded, or intentionally obtuse. The 'great team around him' crap is just that - funny how it doesn't get pulled out for Joe Montana.

There is never going to be an accurate basis of comparison between Aikman and Bledsoe. But one could speculate about how good Bledsoe would look on that very same "great team". Since timing and intermediate range accuracy made that O hum, I suspect there is no way Drew could have driven that bus like Troy did.

Btw, there aren't many common coaching denominators between the two, but I can think of one - Ernie Zampese. Perhaps Big Neil will enlighten us about how Drew looked in THAT timing O... but more likely he'll be as familar with it as he was with Kevin Gilbride's.

very well put!
 

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Ashwynn said:
I dont think he was really meaning to compare the two as in they are just alike. What I think he wanted to convey was Bledsoes not as bad as some would make him out to be. His numbers reflect Aikmans numbers. You would never call Aikman a bumm, so why are ya'll calling Bledsoe a bumm with the same numbers? I am sure he did not mean to stir up the hornets nest, so to speak.

Either way, Go Bledsoe, may you QB the Cowboys till we find out next Aikman.



No one here calls him a "bumm".
 

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mr.jameswoods said:
Hey Big_neil

This was ballsy of you to post this and I agree with your logic. But the others have a point too. Aikman was utlimately a winner and had 3 rings to boot. And you have to remember, Aikman was no fan favorite until he won his first Superbowl. It's revisionist history at best when some people are posting that back then Aikman was loved by all. Puhlease, he was lambasted until 1992. Hell, even in the 1991 season, many people were arguing that Beurlein was the better QB or that Steve Walsh shouldn't have been traded.

Drew will get the Aikman comparisons once he wins a Superbowl with Dallas.
Now that was the post of the thread.

And I'll never forget (or forgive) Aikman being booed during the struggles of his last season.
 

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Ashwynn said:
I dont think he was really meaning to compare the two as in they are just alike. What I think he wanted to convey was Bledsoes not as bad as some would make him out to be. His numbers reflect Aikmans numbers. You would never call Aikman a bumm, so why are ya'll calling Bledsoe a bumm with the same numbers? I am sure he did not mean to stir up the hornets nest, so to speak.

Either way, Go Bledsoe, may you QB the Cowboys till we find out next Aikman.

Thank you for saying what I can't seem to. Troy Aikman's playoff record is better than most Hall of Fame QBs. Drew, with 6 TDs 12 INTs in the playoffs is not. That is why I am not saying Drew is as good as Aikman. But we can't expect him to have a 97 rating all year when his career rating is 77.
 

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big_neil said:
Everyone wants to keep whining about Bledsoe over the last 4 games, but here are the numbers:

61/95 (64%) 662 yards 3 TD 3 INT 7 YPA 81.1 Rating.

3 Wins 1 Loss

Those numbers are remarkably similar to Troy Aikman's career statistics (61% 1 TD per game, 7 YPA 81 Rating).

too bad they don't track bounce passes. so far i'd say he averaged 2.7 - 3.2 a game.
 

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When was the last time we had a starting QB complete 64% of his passes?
 

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too bad they don't track bounce passes.

They do. They are called incomplete passes. Do you imagine that Joe Montana's incomplete passes were somehow more glamorous? And Joe Dimaggeo's strike outs?
 

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Yes - Aikman last did it in 1996, and one year was 69% - thats amazing.
Danny White - Never
Staubach only had one season at 60%
 

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Nors said:
Yes - Aikman last did it in 1996, and one year was 69% - thats amazing.
Danny White - Never
Staubach only had one season at 60%

Different eras, different rules. It was easier to complete a higher percentage of passes in Aikman's day and even easier now. I find it amazing that both Staubach and White have higher QB ratings than Aikman since the rating system is weighted so heavily on completion %.
 

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Trust me - This team is 4-6 or 3-7 and it would all be on Drew.

I don't care about 2 game or 4 game trends. He's the #1 rated passer in the NFC. +7 TD/Inter ratio and a big part of why we are winning football games. The guy is completing 64% of his passes and has an outside shot at 4,000 yards and likely will make Pro Bowl.

Relax and enjoy the journey.
 

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joseephuss said:
Different eras, different rules. It was easier to complete a higher percentage of passes in Aikman's day and even easier now. I find it amazing that both Staubach and White have higher QB ratings than Aikman since the rating system is weighted so heavily on completion %.

It is weighted more heavily on TD's vs. INT's, and because we had that offensive line and Smith we ran the ball inside the 5. 70% of all TD passes in the NFL this season have come within the 5 yard line.

If Aikman had gotten those junk TD's like Favre has gotten his entire career and Young routinely got, Aikman's QB ratings would have been even more impressive.
 
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