Bledsoe vs Brunell, the debate continues

[burmafrd]

Only a fool would say that? BUT then only a fool would say its all his fault. So who is the fool here?
BLedsoe wore down; being not very mobile and not being able to roll out, etc about 20% of the problem; The D's were figuring out our max protect and such; 20%; but 60% of the problem was the O line.

 

[Juke99]

A lot of QB's, Manning (P) included do not do as well the last 8 games as they do the first 8. Show me a QB that performs the same throughout each season and I will show you a very rare creature. Even when Manning set the TD record, the last 4-6 games he slowed down a lot. I suppose that was all his fault too- the rest of the team and the D had nothing to say about it.

Hey...lemme ask you a serious question...

Do you find that all the Ben and Jerry's Cookie Dough ice creams have the same amount of dough? I find that there are widely varying amounts from pint to pint.



Nah..that wasn't the question...this is....

When Bledsoe was playing for the Bills...if you recall the game he had against the Cowboys (putrid)...did you consider him to be a top 5 QB???

I am simply floored by the number of Cowboy fans who never thought one positive thought about Bledsoe while he was wearing another uniform, who now suddenly have elevated him to God-like status.

 

[illone]

Brunell Might Not Even Start.lol
He Sucks

This is a rediculous post. Brunell is far from sucking. He's top 2 in the league at avoiding turnovers. He's already the starter going into training camp and unless something crazy happens he'll start week one.

 

[illone]

I am simply floored by the number of Cowboy fans who never thought one positive thought about Bledsoe while he was wearing another uniform, who now suddenly have elevated him to God-like status.

There is something about the star on the helmet... It hypnotizes your fan base, lol.

 

[Juke99]

There is something about the star on the helmet... It hypnotizes your fan base, lol.

This coming from someone singing the praises of Mark Brunnell...

 

[illone]

This coming from someone singing the praises of Mark Brunnell...

Show me where I sing praises?

 

[lspain1]

When Bledsoe was playing for the Bills...if you recall the game he had against the Cowboys (putrid)...did you consider him to be a top 5 QB???

I am simply floored by the number of Cowboy fans who never thought one positive thought about Bledsoe while he was wearing another uniform, who now suddenly have elevated him to God-like status.

I haven't been a huge supporter of Bledsoe, but I have been a critic of our OL last season. If we have a running game and Bledsoe looks like crap I'll join the Bash Bledsoe club. Until then, I'll believe he isn't the main source of the problem.

 

[Juke99]

Show me where I sing praises?

Touchy touchy....

OK...you weren't singing them.

BUt I distinctly heard humming.

 

[Juke99]

I haven't been a huge supporter of Bledsoe, but I have been a critic of our OL last season. If we have a running game and Bledsoe looks like crap I'll join the Bash Bledsoe club. Until then, I'll believe he isn't the main source of the problem.

If ANY QB has a running game he'll look good.

I think the O Line is garbage.

And I think Bledsoe makes it look even worse than it is.

AND I don't dislike Bledsoe. I think he's got a great arm...and he's tough as hell.

I just think he's way too one dimensional.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Pat, pat, pat.

Pat, pat, pat.

But there is no doubt in my mind that Bledsoe probably added 8-10 to the total just because of his mannerisms.

Pat, pat, pat.

What on earth are you talking about???

Pat. pat, pat.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I haven't been a huge supporter of Bledsoe, but I have been a critic of our OL last season. If we have a running game and Bledsoe looks like crap I'll join the Bash Bledsoe club. Until then, I'll believe he isn't the main source of the problem.

True.

I just have a tough time believing an offensive line of Adams, Allen, A first year starting Al Johnson, Gurode and Tucker was conceivably better than a line of Tucker, Allen, Johnson, Rivera and Petitti.

Vinny made one lousy line look better than it was.

Bledsoe made one lousy line look worse than it was.

 

[Juke99]

True.

I just have a tough time believing an offensive line of Adams, Allen, A first year starting Al Johnson, Gurode and Tucker was conceivably better than a line of Tucker, Allen, Johnson, Rivera and Petitti.

Vinny made one lousy line look better than it was.

Bledsoe made one lousy line look worse than it was.

OH geez....we're agreeing again...

See my last post.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

OH geez....we're agreeing again...

See my last post.

I do sorta look up to you as an "older brother"... a much, much older brother.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I haven't been a huge supporter of Bledsoe, but I have been a critic of our OL last season.

It's a pretty good reach for me to be much of a critic of our O-line last year. Three our of the five positions were negatively affected by injuries. On the other hand, our GM is completely to blame for not providing our HC the necessary players to run a offense should injuries be incurred. That goes back to our failed efforts at plugging holes in the draft. The good news is that I believe our O-line will turn out to be pretty decent this year and not be the anchor slowing down our offense as some think it will.

 

[Juke99]

I do sorta look up to you as an "older brother"... a much, much older brother.

I can only imagine how you feel about Cbz....

 

[burmafrd]

I see no problem with the line of 2004 being better then last years. Gurode was a decent guard who was not injured- better then an injured Rivera. Tucker did not do too bad at RT, though I recall that Vollers was in there as well. Probably why BP thought Tucker could backup the Hotel- oooppppssss.
LA was declining, but still better in 2004 then he was in 2005. 2003 was the best year the Hotel had- he was not as good in 2004 but it was not as much of a slide. Johnson- hard to tell with him; maybe it just took a while for teams to figure out his weakness. Also he did not run into mamoth DT's or NT's much that year.

 

[lspain1]

It's a pretty good reach for me to be much of a critic of our O-line last year. Three our of the five positions were negatively affected by injuries. On the other hand, our GM is completely to blame for not providing our HC the necessary players to run a offense should injuries be incurred. That goes back to our failed efforts at plugging holes in the draft. The good news is that I believe our O-line will turn out to be pretty decent this year and not be the anchor slowing down our offense as some think it will.

Big dog, my criticism of the line hasn't been that the players were hopeless. The exception to this is Tucker, who I believe is in fact hopeless (good luck Tampa). Michael has stated that the line of 2004 wasn't much better than the one in 2005. I disagree with him. Your comment about the injuries is right on. Our line last year was suffering from reduced performance...Allen from age...Rivera from injury and then Flo went down from injury. Tucker looked bad right from the start at the LT position and toss in a rookie at RT. This OL was, in fact, considerably worse than the 2004 product.

Juke and Michael believe that Bledsoe's poor decisions and lack of mobility contributed in a significant way to our woes on offense. I use our lack of a running attack (in spite of the Cowboys being at the top of running attempts and TOP) as an argument that Bledsoe did not contribute in a significant way to our offensive woes. The OL was bad and blaming Bledsoe is simply incorrect IMO.

Juke and Michael are not bad guys...they're just misguided....kinda like the North Korean missile thingy!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Juke and Michael are not bad guys...they're just misguided....kinda like the Noth Korean missile thingy!

They always were meant for each other and should always be together forever and ever.

 

[Juke99]

Big dog, my criticism of the line hasn't been that the players were hopeless. The exception to this is Tucker, who I believe is in fact hopeless (good luck Tampa). Michael has stated that the line of 2004 wasn't much better than the one in 2005. I disagree with him. Your comment about the injuries is right on. Our line last year was suffering from reduced performance...Allen from age...Rivera from injury and then Flo went down from injury. Tucker looked bad right from the start at the LT position and toss in a rookie at RT. This OL was, in fact, considerably worse than the 2004 product.

Juke and Michael believe that Bledsoe's poor decisions and lack of mobility contributed in a significant way to our woes on offense. I use our lack of a running attack (in spite of the Cowboys being at the top of running attempts and TOP) as an argument that Bledsoe did not contribute in a significant way to our offensive woes. The OL was bad and blaming Bledsoe is simply incorrect IMO.

Juke and Michael are not bad guys...they're just misguided....kinda like the Noth Korean missile thingy!

I'm not blaming Bledsoe. I am saying that it is simply not accurate to say that he was sacked as much as he was because Flozell went down.

Bledsoe, on average, was sacked 48 times per year in his 6 full seasons (with two teams) prior to signing with the Cowboys.

He was sacked 49 times last year.

My opinion is, the offensive line stunk...and Bledsoe made it look even worse than it was.

My next point is...Flozell is a good tackle...he's not elite...he's always had problems with speed guys...he's always had concentration problems...All of a sudden he's the second coming of Ogden and the reason why our offense tanked.

My last point is, NO ONE had boo to say about Bledsoe when he played for the Pats and Bills. In fact, he was AWFUL in the Bills game against us a few years ago. Now, he's a top flight QB because he's got a star on his helmet.

And hey, I'm damn proud to be mentioned along with my pal Winicki.

 

[Juke99]

They always were meant for each other and should always be together forever and ever.

Shhhhhhhhh....I was going to ask him to marry me...don't ruin the surprise.