Bledsoe wont be the one to blame.

[The30YardSlant]

I don't know, but he's right regarding the lack of thought that Wolverine uses.

Or maybe that's all he's capable of using. In that case, I can't be mad at him.

Thats fine, but he had no reason to group me into that category.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Thats fine, but he had no reason to group me into that category.

HH, why is that?

You don't want to be in the same group as Wolverine?

I can't imagine why ...

 

[The30YardSlant]

HH, why is that?

You don't want to be in the same group as Wolverine?

I can't imagine why ...

Why doesnt Bendict want to be associated with the **** party?

 

[ehale911]

Thats fine, but he had no reason to group me into that category.

As an outside observer here, I'd guess he was referring to Hollywood Henderson and not you.

 

[Crown Royal]

As an outside observer here, I'd guess he was referring to Hollywood Henderson and not you.

:explode:

Anger management, Heavy Hitter? JK LMAO

 

[The30YardSlant]

:explode:

Anger management, Heavy Hitter? JK LMAO

oops? :blush2:

 

[big dog cowboy]

What you just dont get is that we have 2 has beens as our startin WRs comin off of serious injuries.

What you don't get is the fact BP is willing to go into this season with those guys still our #1 and #2 WR's despite how bad you think they are. If he is convinced we will be alright with them, that is way good enough for me despite how much you whine and cry about them.

 

[Hostile]

As an outside observer here, I'd guess he was referring to Hollywood Henderson and not you.

to the forum. I liv ein Tucson too. What part of town you in? I live near the U.

 

[ehale911]

to the forum. I liv ein Tucson too. What part of town you in? I live near the U.

Thanks. Live around 5 miles from campus off of first and wetmore. Moving to West Foothills in August though.

 

[Hostile]

Thanks. Live around 5 miles from campus off of first and wetmore. Moving to West Foothills in August though.

Know the area well. Hope to run into you some day and shoot the breeze on the Boys.

 

[percyhoward]

Holt/Bruce 165.8
Walker/Driver 161.9
Bennet/Mason 150.9
Wayne/Harrison 145.2
CJohnson/Houshm 140.7
RSmith/Lelie 139.3
Kennison/Morton 138.9
Horn/Stallworth 135.3
Muhammad/Colbert 134.9
Glenn/KJohnson 128.0

These were the top 10 WR duos in the NFL last season, based on yards per game.

Here are just some of the names that didn't make the list...
Burress/Ward, Toomer/Hilliard, Owens/Pinkston, Burleson/Moss, Moulds/Evans, Clayton/Galloway, Bolden/Fitzgerald...

...as well as FIFTEEN other receiving duos. None of these 22 teams had a pair of WR's who could roll up as many yards per game as our "has-beens."

 

[CowboysFan02]

Did you not see the critical catchs that Crayton has made on 2 third down conversions, and a fourth down conversion. Mind you his first NFL catch was a clutch finger tip snag across the middle. He has the right mentality to be succesful. IE. He stated his only thought after catching the ball was to take it to the house.

He and Copper have made serveral very difficult clutch catches. Which IMHO shows they have shown to be more then a sucky WR corp. If they were not any good, they would have folded on those 3rd/4th conversions, and we would not have moved the chains.

You state that Key and Glenn are has beens, by that fact you state they have proven something, therefore we can extrapolate that Morgan who has an almost identical catching problem as the aforementioned Key, can and should correct his catching technique. And with his speed can be a good vertical threat. Opening up the undneath routes to Key, Crayton and Witten. In addition that would open the running game which is likely to draw 8 men in the box anyways, espcelly if Polite can be an even marginal improvement over Barnes.

Wolvie, when you are proven wrong by our WR corp. are you going to be man/boy enough to eat your crow like a good little boy? And please pick a new topic we have all had enough of the "our WR's suck" song and dance.

 

[wileedog]

Holt/Bruce 165.8
Walker/Driver 161.9
Bennet/Mason 150.9
Wayne/Harrison 145.2
CJohnson/Houshm 140.7
RSmith/Lelie 139.3
Kennison/Morton 138.9
Horn/Stallworth 135.3
Muhammad/Colbert 134.9
Glenn/KJohnson 128.0

These were the top 10 WR duos in the NFL last season, based on yards per game.

Here are just some of the names that didn't make the list...
Burress/Ward, Toomer/Hilliard, Owens/Pinkston, Burleson/Moss, Moulds/Evans, Clayton/Galloway, Bolden/Fitzgerald...

...as well as FIFTEEN other receiving duos. None of these 22 teams had a pair of WR's who could roll up as many yards per game as our "has-beens."

Oh snap, facts.

That should throw him for a loop.

 

[DallasEast]

Here are there 2004 stats and NONE of our WRs came close to bein in the top 10 in ANYTHING!!

This topic questions how effective our wide receivers were in 2004, but I've included tight end statistics in this response. Tight ends are technically receivers and cannot be excluded in a receiving debate, imo. Along with the listing of top 10 receivers statistically, I've included both the top four Dallas and New England receivers in each category for comparison.

Player             Team   G     Rec    Rank
Tony Gonzalez       KC    16     102       1
Derrick Mason      TEN    16      96       2
Chad Johnson       CIN    16      95       3
Joe Horn            NO    16      94       4
Torry Holt         STL    16      94       4
Muhsin Muhammad    CAR    16      93       6
Laveranues Coles   WAS    16      90       7
Javon Walker        GB    16      89       8
Isaac Bruce        STL    16      89       8
Eric Moulds        BUF    16      88      10
Jason Witten       DAL    16      87      11
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16      70      28
David Givens        NE    15      56      37
David Patten        NE    16      44      61
Deion Branch        NE     9      35      76
Daniel Graham       NE    14      30      97
Terry Glenn        DAL     6      24     117
Quincy Morgan      DAL     9      22     125

Player             Team   G     Yds    Rank
Muhsin Muhammad    CAR    16    1405       1
Joe Horn            NO    16    1399       2
Javon Walker        GB    16    1382       3
Torry Holt         STL    16    1372       4
Isaac Bruce        STL    16    1292       5
Chad Johnson       CIN    16    1274       6
Tony Gonzalez       KC    16    1258       7
Drew Bennett       TEN    16    1247       8
Reggie Wayne       IND    16    1210       9
Donald Driver       GB    16    1208      10
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16     981      26
Jason Witten       DAL    16     980      27
David Givens        NE    15     874      32
David Patten        NE    16     800      38
Deion Branch        NE     9     454      76
Terry Glenn        DAL     6     400      86
Daniel Graham       NE    14     364      98
Quincy Morgan      DAL     9     260     124

Player             Team   G    Yds/G   Rank
Muhsin Muhammad    CAR    16    87.8       1
Joe Horn            NO    16    87.4       2
Javon Walker        GB    16    86.4       3
Torry Holt         STL    16    85.8       4
Terrell Owens      PHI    14    85.7       5
Ryan Krause         SD     1    81.0       6
Isaac Bruce        STL    16    80.8       7
Chad Johnson       CIN    16    79.6       8
Tony Gonzalez       KC    16    78.6       9
Drew Bennett       TEN    16    77.9      10
Terry Glenn        DAL     6    66.7      23
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16    61.3      31
Jason Witten       DAL    16    61.2      32
David Givens        NE    15    58.3      41
Deion Branch        NE     9    50.4      54
David Patten        NE    16    50.0      56
Quincy Morgan      DAL     9    28.9      95
Daniel Graham       NE    14    26.0     101

Player             Team   G     Lng    Rank
Andre Davis        CLE     7      99       1
Rod Smith          DEN    16      85       2
Randy Moss         MIN    13      82       3
Todd Pinkston      PHI    16      80       4
Dallas Clark       IND    15      80       4
Javon Walker        GB    16      79       6
Eric Parker         SD    15      79       6
Chris Chambers     MIA    15      76       8
Matt Schobel       CIN    16      76       8
Torry Holt         STL    16      75      10
Michael Clayton     TB    16      75      10
Quincy Morgan      DAL     9      53      51
David Givens        NE    15      50      61
Terry Glenn        DAL     6      48      70
David Patten        NE    16      48      70
Daniel Graham       NE    14      48      70
Bethel Johnson      NE    13      48      70
Jason Witten       DAL    16      42      98
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16      39     105

Player             Team   G     Avg    Rank
John Stone         OAK     4    26.7       1
Andre Davis        CLE     7    26.0       2
Alvis Whitted      OAK    11    25.2       3
Jamaar Taylor      NYG     8    24.3       4
Talman Gardner      NO    11    23.0       5
Rashaun Woods       SF    14    22.9       6
David Kircus       DET     7    22.7       7
Bill Schroeder      TB     7    22.3       8
Cliff Russell      CIN    13    21.0       9
Kassim Osgood       SD    16    20.5      10
David Patten        NE    16    18.2      19
Bethel Johnson      NE    13    17.4      24
Terry Glenn        DAL     6    16.7      34
David Givens        NE    15    15.6      51
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16    14.0      89
Randal Williams    DAL     2    14.0      89
Patrick Crayton    DAL     8    13.5     104
Deion Branch        NE     9    13.0     115

Player             Team   G     TDs    Rank
Muhsin Muhammad    CAR    16      16       1
Marvin Harrison    IND    16      15       2
Terrell Owens      PHI    14      14       3
Randy Moss         MIN    13      13       4
Antonio Gates       SD    15      13       4
Reggie Wayne       IND    16      12       6
Javon Walker        GB    16      12       6
Drew Bennett       TEN    16      11       8
Joe Horn            NO    16      11       8
Brandon Stokley    IND    16      10      10
Torry Holt         STL    16      10      10
David Patten        NE    16       7      21
Daniel Graham       NE    14       7      21
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16       6      31
Jason Witten       DAL    16       6      31
Deion Branch        NE     9       4      53
David Givens        NE    15       3      68
Terry Glenn        DAL     6       2      89
Jeff Robinson      DAL    16       2      89

Player             Team   G     20+    Rank
Muhsin Muhammad    CAR    16      24       1
Joe Horn            NO    16      22       2
Torry Holt         STL    16      21       3
Ashley Lelie       DEN    16      21       3
Terrell Owens      PHI    14      20       5
Drew Bennett       TEN    16      20       5
Brandon Stokley    IND    16      20       5
Isaac Bruce        STL    16      20       5
Reggie Wayne       IND    16      19       9
Javon Walker        GB    16      19       9
Michael Clayton     TB    16      19       9
Tony Gonzalez       KC    16      19       9
Jimmy Smith        JAC    16      19       9
David Patten        NE    16      15      22
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16      15      22
Jason Witten       DAL    16      13      32
David Givens        NE    15      13      32
Terry Glenn        DAL     6       7      67
Daniel Graham       NE    14       6      76
Deion Branch        NE     9       6      76
Patrick Crayton    DAL     8       2     138

Player             Team   G     40+    Rank
Terrell Owens      PHI    14       9       1
Javon Walker        GB    16       7       2
Dennis Northcutt   CLE    16       7       2
Eddie Kennison      KC    14       6       4
Santana Moss       NYJ    15       6       4
Lee Evans          BUF    16       6       4
Randy Moss         MIN    13       6       4
Todd Pinkston      PHI    16       6       4
Ashley Lelie       DEN    16       5       9
Drew Bennett       TEN    16       5       9
Reggie Wayne       IND    16       5       9
Jerry Porter       OAK    16       5       9
Chad Johnson       CIN    16       5       9
David Patten        NE    16       4      14
David Givens        NE    15       3      24
Bethel Johnson      NE    13       2      35
Jason Witten       DAL    16       1      54
Terry Glenn        DAL     6       1      54
Daniel Graham       NE    14       1      54
Quincy Morgan      DAL     9       1      54
Keyshawn Johnson   DAL    16       0     105

 

[Wolverine]

Wolvie, when you are proven wrong by our WR corp. are you going to be man/boy enough to eat your crow like a good little boy? And please pick a new topic we have all had enough of the "our WR's suck" song and dance.

And if I am right dont worry. You dont have to apologize.

Oh snap, facts.

That should throw him for a loop.

Yeah whatever. Well you and CowboysFan02 and PercyHoward really think you have somethin with that yards thing. Well its no big deal. Yards dont win games but TDs do. Lets take a look at the more important stat....TD catches.


There are 16 WR in the NFL who BY THEMSELF have more TD catches then Key and Glenn combined. There are 4 more WRs who by themself have just as many TDs by themself as Key and Glenn combined. Which is 8.

Now Im not even gonna get into what WR Combos have more TD catches then Key and Glenn.


Try again.




Dallas East. This is about WR only. Not TE. Sorry.

 

[DallasEast]

Dallas East. This is about WR only. Not TE. Sorry.

Don't be sorry. Witten isn't irrelevent in this offense.

Still, the question of whether or not our wide receivers need to quality as top 10 material statistically isn't really necessary for success. At least, that's something which the Patriots already know is a fact.

 

[TheEnigma]

Wolverine, your immaturity and age are both showing big time in this thread.

First of all, not a single person in this thread has come out and said that we have the best WR core in the league, and therefore your sarcasm is way out of line.

Secondly, I hope you do realize that things are not always black and white. Something can be good, bad, and everything in between. You assume that by not having a starstudded class of reciev...err...Wide Recievers that must mean they are awful. This is simply not the case.

I realize that what brought this was the fact that we did not address a future #1 reciever in the draft, but I ask you this, who would you replace? Which one of our draft picks do you not want? Or...tell me which one of the free agent wide recievers made you mad that we didn't pick them up?

Finally, with your appearant annoyance at IF's which the upcoming season is, as well as whatever #1 wide reciever you want, I have an IF for you.....

IF Mike Zimmer were fired, we would not be guaranteed to have a better defense.

 

[Hostile]

Wolverine, your immaturity and age are both showing big time in this thread.

First of all, not a single person in this thread has come out and said that we have the best WR core in the league, and therefore your sarcasm is way out of line.

Secondly, I hope you do realize that things are not always black and white. Something can be good, bad, and everything in between. You assume that by not having a starstudded class of reciev...err...Wide Recievers that must mean they are awful. This is simply not the case.

I realize that what brought this was the fact that we did not address a future #1 reciever in the draft, but I ask you this, who would you replace? Which one of our draft picks do you not want? Or...tell me which one of the free agent wide recievers made you mad that we didn't pick them up?

Finally, with your appearant annoyance at IF's which the upcoming season is, as well as whatever #1 wide reciever you want, I have an IF for you.....

IF Mike Zimmer were fired, we would not be guaranteed to have a better defense.

Great post. He is very much on the extremes with everything he posts.

 

[Crown Royal]

Finally, with your appearant annoyance at IF's which the upcoming season is, as well as whatever #1 wide reciever you want, I have an IF for you.....

IF Mike Zimmer were fired, we would not be guaranteed to have a better defense.

I have another IF. If Parcells didn't like Zimmer, why did he spend about 5 minutes in support of him on his PC on Friday???

 

[Hostile]

I have another IF. If Parcells didn't like Zimmer, why did he spend about 5 minutes in support of him on his PC on Friday???

Being serious here and not to piss off the anti-Zimmer crowd. When Parcells leaves Zimmer is probably the #1 candidate as replacement. Head Coaches typically love for their assistants to land High Profile Head Coaching jobs because it is a reflection back on them. Nebraska football is as high profile as it gets. They wanted him to stick around. There has to be a reason and it was not that they wanted the defense to suck.