Bob Sturm on Schoonmaker

[XXLMike]

And athletic pass catcher who can’t run.

 

[Clarke82]

As a Michigan fan I like Schoomaker. I think he is solid. However, I am not sure he is much better than Ferguson or Hendershot so why waste the pick. I would have picked the Oline man from Florida

I don't mind the pick. I was hoping for LaPorta but, when he left the board, I was fine with Schoonmaker and even though he may have been taken a little early I understand they didn't trust he would be there @ 90.

As for O'Cyrus Torrence I was never that impressed. Something always bugged me and then I heard the guys on the Draft Coverage talk about how slow he is to the second level. I then went back and rewatched Florida offense vs the defenses from SEC and I will be darned if that wasn't the issue. He looks like he is running in mud. I think Buffalo may have made a mistake.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

this is exactly what we did with Kelvin joseph too.there was a run on CBs and we panicked and picked the wrong Cb instead of Samuel who actually knows how to play CB.it shows they are not learning from their mistakes.

Admitting ur mistakes and learning from them.... you find a GM that does that, and you got a good GM

 

[Motorola]

25 isn’t old. 8)

Old for an NFL rookie; turns 25 going into week 4 of the

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

the decision at 58 was between these two and the belief was Schoonmaker could help more this season.

If that really is true, and their draft evaluation process is heavily biased towards "who can help most THIS season", then their draft process is BAD. That's the exact wrong way to use the draft. That's how ur supposed to use Free Agency.

No wonder we're closing in on 3 decades of irrelevance

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Old for an NFL rookie; turns 25 going into week 4 of the

And generally speaking that raises questions as to his commitment and coachability. Given the virus that shall not be named, there are a ton of older prospects this year. Not the same as usual.

 

[Motorola]

And generally speaking that raises questions as to his commitment and coachability. Given the virus that shall not be named, there are a ton of older prospects this year. Not the same as usual.

To be balanced, both Ferguson and Hendershot recently turned 24 (Jan 18th and April 23rd, respectively) and McKeon will be 25 yrs & 7 mos during the first week of training camp.

Dallas Cowboys ---- the haven for Big Ten tight ends:
Sean McKeon____Michigan - UDFA 2020
Peyton Hendershot____Indiana - UDFA 2022
Jake Ferguson____Wisconsin - 4th round/129th pick overall in 2022 draft
Luke Schoonmaker____Michigan - 2nd round/58th pick overall in 2023 draft

 

[Landryhat73]

As

As if it came down to just the Schoon and Torrence for the 58th selection, and the Cowboys decided to choose the Schoon instead.

You’re right it seems the board is pissed that Torrence wasn’t the pick at 58 but I don’t think he was even considered. Think the only offensive lineman they would of chosen at all came off the board before 58 (Avila, Bergeron, and Mauch)

 

[charron]

1. The coaches need to like him enough to put him in position to succeed
2. Dak needs to like him enough to throw him the ball.

Honestly that is all that matters. He will need to bust his butt to earn passing reps or hell end up as just a blocking TE.

 

[JayFord]

yall act like that man gonna be out there in a walker and hanging out with jerry icing his knees down between quarters

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You’re right it seems the board is pissed that Torrence wasn’t the pick at 58 but I don’t think he was even considered. Think the only offensive lineman they would of chosen at all came off the board before 58 (Avila, Bergeron, and Mauch)

Also, keep in mind having flex Olinemen is huge for them. Remember last season, many mocks had us drafting Kenyon Green or Zion Johnson both guards. We later learned ( McClay implied ) they never seriously targeted either coz of limited flex.

 

[jnday]

They want to run a lot of 12 personal with Fergy and Schoonmaker

I heard so much about that 12 personnel package during the Garrett years and it made me sick to hear about it. I hope they never use that package again.

 

[Bigdog]

I thought we should have picked Torrance. That left side of the line would have been young and nasty with him and Smith. With that being said I am warming up to the pick the more I read about him.

 

[Wezsh0T]

25 isn’t old. 8)

It is for a football player. It means you get one less contract out of him.

 

[clff15701]

Yep and Washington has the better upside

Yea but teams had Washington flagged for some reason according to Broddaus.

 

[big dog cowboy]

How was O'Cyrus Torrence limited?

That is what the report said. It wasn't detailed. Other teams felt the same way. That is why he wasn't a first rounder.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

As a Michigan fan I like Schoomaker. I think he is solid. However, I am not sure he is much better than Ferguson or Hendershot so why waste the pick. I would have picked the Oline man from Florida

He was picked with run gamenin mind. He is an extension of OL and good down field blocker. Add Pollard as an outside run and catch threat and it makes sense

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Bingo! An more athletic DS is what we got, will take it and all day on Sunday’s.

 

[SexyDexy52]

How was O'Cyrus Torrence limited? He never allowed a sack in college and only had 2 penalties called against him all while being a road-grading run blocker.....so if drafting a near 25-year-old blocking TE made sense then passing on Torrence made ZERO sense.

SI comments on Torrence:

""Large human in terms of outright mass. Mainly a guard but has moved out to tackle and handled the duties well in limited snaps. Arms and strength to finish plays. Plays long with heavy hands at the point of attack. Can slide his feet and anchor against interior push. Cerebral with the reactionary skills to handle what's in front of him, then pick up delayed blitzers. Gets defenders off their spot in the run game. Able to pull and kick out the edge on rare gap scheme play calls. Regularly maintains leverage and uses it to his advantage in the zone running game."

quick interior rushers with well-developed counters could be too much for his limited foot quickness to handle without help. He projects as a future starter for downhill offenses who covet size over athleticism.
From Lance Zierlein at NFL. Com

Read the last sentence, he doesn't fit what the Cowboys are looking for, since MM has been the head coach they have gone after more athletic type guys. Look at MM's Green Bay O lines, not a lot of big maulers there either.

It's not hard to figure out, they didn't want him or they wanted the other guy more at 58 because he wouldn't make it to their next pick and they value the TE more at this specific point in time.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

quick interior rushers with well-developed counters could be too much for his limited foot quickness to handle without help. He projects as a future starter for downhill offenses who covet size over athleticism.
From Lance Zierlein at NFL. Com

Read the last sentence, he doesn't fit what the Cowboys are looking for, since MM has been the head coach they have gone after more athletic type guys. Look at MM's Green Bay O lines, not a lot of big maulers there either.

It's not hard to figure out, they didn't want him or they wanted the other guy more at 58 because he wouldn't make it to their next pick and they value the TE more at this specific point in time.

Yea, the more you read, it's obvious he wasn't a good fit.......simple as that