Recap: Bobby Belt on Kelvin Joseph

[shabazz]

This is horrible reporting. Where is the other half of the story? What did the Cowboys do about it? What have they done in the off season about this?

“Horrible Reporting” is an oxymoron these days…..everything reported must be scrutinized at a high level.

 

[Captain-Crash]

some of you guys act like you never were kidnapped by your own "possey" and were dragged out to a bar where you got your butts kicked and then just happened to see the guys who kicked your butt going to their car. Then one or more of your brain-damaged friends started shouting "there they are" while hanging out the passenger side of the car firing at them. Special k was probably laying on the floor crying from the butt whooping and didn't see anything.

 

[HungryLion]

Mick Shots: Start Of Camp Around The Corner

Time To Compete: The is the directive for Cowboys 2021 second-round draft choice Kelvin Joseph heading into his second NFL training camp this this: Compete for playing time at the cornerback position. Compete to possibly start at some point during this 2022 season. There has been a lot of speculation over his availability after being a passenger in a car from where a fatal drive-by shooting took place late March in Dallas. But from I've learned, Joseph, who was not involved in the shooting, has been cleared by Dallas County officials, being truthful and forthcoming during the investigation, and remember he never was arrested or charged with anything. Now as for the NFL, that is a different matter, and its movement is at glacier speeds when coming to incidents such as this. The Cowboys have stood firm on the issue that the 22-year-old is good to go from a legal standpoint. Now Joseph, must play, try to live up to his draft status. And if you're counting cornerback numbers, we're talking Trevon Diggs, Anthony Brown, Jourdan Lewis, Joseph, Nahshon Wright, fifth-round pick DaRon Bland and Kyron Brown at the top of the pecking order. To me, that's pretty deep in talent, but not everyone is going to make the 53-man roster. Time for Joseph to make an impression. A good one.

lol Mickey.


He would defend a cowboys player holding a bloody knife over a dead victim, if Jerry Jones told him to.

 

[gimmesix]

This wasn't some rowdy kids who went out drinking and hit someone with their car. They got into a fight. Left the fight to get in their vehicle. Drove past their opponents and shot at them like cowards. Some things have to be dealt with harshly.

What did he get away with if there's no charges? I've cited a couple laws multiple times. Considering a man is dead and the police had to go to the media to get KJ to come in with his lawyer, I think punishment is warranted. Why not? Again- this happens in Texas all the time. Why should KJ be treated differently?

And again, witnesses are often not prosecuted because they provide key testimony in a trial. So why should KJ be treated differently?

Those who decided to shoot another person definitely should be dealt with harshly. You seem to feel that Joseph should be dealt with harshly even if he had nothing to do with the shooting, like his lawyer says, and even though he has been called truthful and forthcoming by police, who believe he did not participate in the shooting.

You seem to have this idea built up in your head of Joseph fighting tooth and nail not to rat out his friends, but that doesn't fit the reality of what's being reported. He has cooperated even if he did not go to the police initially. The police seem to be satisfied with his level of cooperation. Why then aren't you?

 

[gimmesix]

lol Mickey.


He would defend a cowboys player holding a bloody knife over a dead victim, if Jerry Jones told him to.

So you think he's lying about Joseph being cleared by police and being truthful and forthcoming?

 

[Haimerej]

2 ppl are in jail for the shooting. Just cause you are friends with people doesnt mean every decision they make is yours vice versa. What if he was trying to stop them and what if they told police that KJ was trying to stop them in the car. You dont kno. Yall watch movies too much thinkin KJ Nino Brown or sumthin

I know he didn't report a murder until his face was on TV. There's no need to try and sensationalize what happened. Why must it be he's either completely innocent or Nino Brown?

 

[Haimerej]

……we sometimes assume that someone is associating with the wrong people when in fact that person is the wrong people

Well said.

 

[Haimerej]

And again, witnesses are often not prosecuted because they provide key testimony in a trial. So why should KJ be treated differently?

Again, because of the law of parties. I think if you start looking up drive-bys in Texas you'll see they routinely charge everyone in the vehicle.

Those who decided to shoot another person definitely should be dealt with harshly. You seem to feel that Joseph should be dealt with harshly even if he had nothing to do with the shooting, like his lawyer says, and even though he has been called truthful and forthcoming by police, who believe he did not participate in the shooting.

I feel he should be dealt with as regards the 2 laws I cited. Why have them on the books if they're not enforced?

You seem to have this idea built up in your head of Joseph fighting tooth and nail not to rat out his friends, but that doesn't fit the reality of what's being reported. He has cooperated even if he did not go to the police initially. The police seem to be satisfied with his level of cooperation. Why then aren't you?

What choice did he have other than to "cooperate"? He's a professional athlete whose face was on the news as a suspect in a homicide. I have no idea in my head other than he didn't report it until he had no choice.

It seems like you have an idea in your head that he was against what happened. If so, why didn't he do the right thing and report it? I don't buy the, "too scared to talk," excuse because he's talked and nothing has happened. For all we know he has an agreement with the guys who confessed to take care of their families while they rot in jail. Three million dollars can do more than retain an unscrupulous lawyer.

 

[Verdict]

Bobby Belt was just on 105.3 The Fan —

Kelvin Joseph was “completely” in the doghouse all of last season.

He was “incredibly” immature throughout rookie year.

Coaches had little to no trust in him.

“Very poor practice player.”

Bobby said he’d rather have Kelvin Benjamin than Kelvin Joseph.

Thank goodness we didn’t draft Creed Humphrey instead. Who would want a better OL instead of a wannabe rapper? Not this guy. Lol

 

[Verdict]

Bobby Belt was just on 105.3 The Fan —

Kelvin Joseph was “completely” in the doghouse all of last season.

He was “incredibly” immature throughout rookie year.

Coaches had little to no trust in him.

“Very poor practice player.”

Bobby said he’d rather have Kelvin Benjamin than Kelvin Joseph.

Why is this not the least bit surprising?

 

[JohnsKey19]

What could be his agenda? Isnt 105.3 like jerrys radio station?

Yeah I don't think this is agenda driven. My understanding is Belt has solid connections to the scouting dept, so he's probably just repeating what he's heard.

With that said, we just have to hope whether this is true or not, Joseph puts last year behind him and balls out in 2022.

 

[HungryLion]

So you think he's lying about Joseph being cleared by police and being truthful and forthcoming?

im saying Mickey is a source that can’t be trusted because he is the official Cowboys.com spinmaster mouthpiece.

that doesn’t mean he is lying in this instance.

Fuethermore, even if Joseph doesn’t have any legal liability it doesn’t mean 1. He didn’t do anything morally wrong. 2. He won’t face possible NFL discipline.

 

[Zordon]

Why is this not the least bit surprising?

Do you know how much of a knucklehead you have to be to get kicked out of LSU? lol ahh Jerry you fool.

 

[AsthmaField]

Does what happened qualify as a “drive-by” shooting though? I’m being serious because I’m just not sure.

They (Joseph, et al) went to a club where they got in an altercation. As they were leaving, one of the people saw the guy they fought with and opened fire out the window.

It is possible that Joseph didn’t get in the car knowing that they would try to locate someone to shoot. He initially went with his group to go out to a night club, and he needed the ride home. He very likely just got in the car to leave the club rather than to locate their assailant to shoot.

I’m not a Texas Lawyer ( or any lawyer for that matter)… but how is that different than Joseph’s group walking out of the club and one of the guys sees the guy they fought with and pulls a gun out and shoots? That certainly wouldn’t qualify as a drive-by, but it seems like that is essentially what happened. Not a pre-meditated drive-by where the objective it to find a shoot a person.

They were leaving and Joseph got in the car to go home. That doesn’t mean that he knew one of his buddies would shoot out the window. It doesn’t even mean that he knew his buddy had a gun.

So my question is if this even falls under a “drive-by” set of rules? It seems like it is pretty much the same as a guy shooting when they were walking out of the club. I just don’t know. There are so many unanswered questions that I have about this incident.

And as far as Joseph waiting to go to the police… There are many people who just want to be left out of a situation and so don’t report to the police. It isn’t real surprising that he didn’t go to the police until he had no choice. That doesn’t make it right… but a lot of folks would do it that way. And that is without even taking into consideration that he was trying to keep the team out of the papers.

Anyway, I don’t to pretend to be an expert about this situation… which is why I’m asking for it to be clarified, if someone might know the answer.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah, he probably didn't even see the guys hanging out the windows shooting at them, and the sounds, he probably didn't even hear them shooting from listening to mumble rap very loud with his earbuds on.

 

[Haimerej]

Does what happened qualify as a “drive-by” shooting though? I’m being serious because I’m just not sure.

They (Joseph, et al) went to a club where they got in an altercation. As they were leaving, one of the people saw the guy they fought with and opened fire out the window.

It is possible that Joseph didn’t get in the car knowing that they would try to locate someone to shoot. He initially went with his group to go out to a night club, and he needed the ride home. He very likely just got in the car to leave the club rather than to locate their assailant to shoot.

I’m not a Texas Lawyer ( or any lawyer for that matter)… but how is that different than Joseph’s group walking out of the club and one of the guys sees the guy they fought with and pulls a gun out and shoots? That certainly wouldn’t qualify as a drive-by, but it seems like that is essentially what happened. Not a pre-meditated drive-by where the objective it to find a shoot a person.

They were leaving and Joseph got in the car to go home. That doesn’t mean that he knew one of his buddies would shoot out the window. It doesn’t even mean that he knew his buddy had a gun.

So my question is if this even falls under a “drive-by” set of rules? It seems like it is pretty much the same as a guy shooting when they were walking out of the club. I just don’t know. There are so many unanswered questions that I have about this incident.

And as far as Joseph waiting to go to the police… There are many people who just want to be left out of a situation and so don’t report to the police. It isn’t real surprising that he didn’t go to the police until he had no choice. That doesn’t make it right… but a lot of folks would do it that way. And that is without even taking into consideration that he was trying to keep the team out of the papers.

Anyway, I don’t to pretend to be an expert about this situation… which is why I’m asking for it to be clarified, if someone might know the answer.

I'm not finding anything in Texas law specific to drive-by shootings. Common law says a drive-by is shooting from a vehicle and then fleeing. It appears that Texas uses the, "deadly conduct," statute in these situations. But I'm not a lawyer.

 

[gimmesix]

Again, because of the law of parties. I think if you start looking up drive-bys in Texas you'll see they routinely charge everyone in the vehicle.

I feel he should be dealt with as regards the 2 laws I cited. Why have them on the books if they're not enforced?

What choice did he have other than to "cooperate"? He's a professional athlete whose face was on the news as a suspect in a homicide. I have no idea in my head other than he didn't report it until he had no choice.

It seems like you have an idea in your head that he was against what happened. If so, why didn't he do the right thing and report it? I don't buy the, "too scared to talk," excuse because he's talked and nothing has happened. For all we know he has an agreement with the guys who confessed to take care of their families while they rot in jail. Three million dollars can do more than retain an unscrupulous lawyer.

Again, the purpose of the law of parties is so that someone who is involved indirectly cannot get away with it. Being in a vehicle with someone who shoots someone else does not automatically make you an accessory to the crime.

The fact that Joseph is cooperating, being "truthful and forthcoming" and is not believed to have had a role in the shooting is the reason that the law of parties is not applicable. The purpose of the law is to keep guilty parties from getting away with their roles.

You seem to have it in your head that he is guilty of something, when no one has said he is guilty of anything, no one has charged him with a crime, etc. You have made up your mind against him, while I prefer to presume him innocent until someone in authority says he's guilty of something. We can speculate all we want about roles we dream up that he played or did not play in the murder, but none of that matters.

The simple truth is while two people have been charged in this shooting and confessed, Kelvin Joseph has not been charged with a crime. Our fans need to quit acting like he has.

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm not finding anything in Texas law specific to drive-by shootings. Common law says a drive-by is shooting from a vehicle and then fleeing. It appears that Texas uses the, "deadly conduct," statute in these situations. But I'm not a lawyer.

I appreciate it man.

 

[gimmesix]

im saying Mickey is a source that can’t be trusted because he is the official Cowboys.com spinmaster mouthpiece.

that doesn’t mean he is lying in this instance.

Fuethermore, even if Joseph doesn’t have any legal liability it doesn’t mean 1. He didn’t do anything morally wrong. 2. He won’t face possible NFL discipline.

At this point, I think NFL discipline is the most likely punishment he'll receive because he doesn't have to even be charged with anything to be guilty of "conduct detrimental to the league." Morally wrong happens a lot, so he isn't the first player with that strike against him. Not saying I condone his choices, just that there's a long line of immoral choices made by NFL players that I don't support. I hope if there are no consequences for this one that he sees it as a wake-up call and not as some kind of aura of invincibility.

 

[gimmesix]

im saying Mickey is a source that can’t be trusted because he is the official Cowboys.com spinmaster mouthpiece.

that doesn’t mean he is lying in this instance.

I think Mickey wears rose-colored glasses when it comes to the team, so his opinions should be take with a grain of salt. For example, him saying we're "pretty deep in talent" at cornerback while listing players like Wright, Bland and Kyron Brown is quite rose-colored.

However, I have not seen him embellish facts. What he reported on Joseph concerning the murder seems more fact than opinion based.