Boys bully a 68 year old bus monitor

[ethiostar]

Uhh hello?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238041

The link isn't working for me.

Is it a repost?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Uhh hello?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238041

The link isn't working for me.

Is it a repost?

My thread was renamed. It's the same thread I believe.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of those kids on the bus who were teasing, their own parents and grandparents are as overweight or more as the person they were bullying.

You want to put a stop to it: put pictures of the parents of the bullying kids for all to see on the internet and make the bullying kids read what other people comment about their parents' looks and weight and appearance. Priceless.

Can't do that, though. Wouldn't want to harm these dear, precious kids with so much potential and fragile egos. Why they just might breakdown and cry and their wonderful parents will hire some goof lawyer and sue someone, anyone, anything.

 

[Trendnet]

What passes for being tough to some these days... unbelievable! Those mouthy delinquents need to be dealt with in no uncertain terms.

I at least liked reading that there was an outpouring of public support for Karen Klein after this came to light and a "universal condemnation of the actions of these kids," reported in the article.

I wouldn't punish them... tell them, good job... you're gonna be rewarded by getting to spend the weekend at Uncle Sandusky's house!

Too soon?

 

[StevenOtero]

This is what happens when children are being raised by children. The entitlement generation raising another batch of entitled brats.

Put the smack down on your kids, it works.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Uhh hello?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238041

The link isn't working for me.

Is it a repost?

My thread was renamed. It's the same thread I believe.

*Merge*

 

[StevenOtero]

I wouldn't punish them... tell them, good job... you're gonna be rewarded by getting to spend the weekend at Uncle Sandusky's house!

Too soon?

You'll spend the weekend with Uncle Sandusky....and the ghost of JoePa will look on and still stay quiet about it.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Even though I grew up about 2-hours from Rochester, I'm still embarrassed for the NY area having watched this video. I'm also embarrassed that nobody on the bus, particularly the kids, told these kids to knock it off.

They are not going to be charged with anything according to the Sherriff because...well, that would be insane. I doubt they would be expelled from school. IIRC, it's almost impossible to be expelled from school in NY unless you are selling drugs, violent assault with a weapon, etc.

My feeling is that if I had a kid who did that, I would first see about forcing him to walk to school, for at least 6 months. Not fun walking to anywhere in Rochester, NY in the middle of winter. They need to understand not only to respect their elders, but that riding the bus is a privilege and not a right.





YR

 

[Doomsday101]

This is what happens when children are being raised by children. The entitlement generation raising another batch of entitled brats.

Put the smack down on your kids, it works.

I agree. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Now day’s people want to reason with kids who are unreasonable. I don't believe in beating child but I do think there are times that discipline needs to be instilled. Giving a young child a spanking or grounding and older kid to me is the right thing to do. Yet so many want their kids to like them they let their kids get away with anything.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think reasoning with the child is the problem.

I think a big part of what has happened is that we went decades with parents always backing the teachers and administrators over the kids in school. It's human nature that when you give absolute power to a certain group of people, some will wind up abusing it.

We had a collection of movies from the 80's based on the theme of the teachers/administrators abusing their power with kids. Those movie writers didn't just come up with it out of the blue. And they didn't become wildly popular for no reason. They became wildly popular because the story resonated with so many teenagers.

Well, now those teenagers have grown up and have kids of their own. They know what stunts some of the teachers/administrators pulled on them and they are bound and determined to not let it happen to their kids. So they have now taken it to the other extreme, thinking that their child is innocent and the teacher/administator is the bad guy.

It's what happens when you have situations that run in extremes, eventually things get overturned and they now go in the other extreme.

I know I would never ever do this when I was their age. For starters, I knew the consequences of this being found out by my parents were too severe for me to ever even chance it.

But more importantly, my parents taught me to respect my elders because they know more than I do.

Even still, the woman's age is of secondary importance to me. What really bothers me is they said these nasty things, unprovoked. And to top that, they continued with them while the woman was in tears. I don't care if they did this to a 25-year old, 6'5" 250 lb MMA fighter, it's still wickedly cruel.

And that's what my parents, and I'm sure many of the parents on this forum, teach their children...how would you like it if somebody did that you or to your grandmother?

Personally, I don't think it has to do with reasoning with the kids. I think it has to do with doing a poor job of reasoning with kids. I think you can't just 100% punish or 100% reason with kids. I think you have to do both. And I think that is why most of the people on the forum would never do this as well, they understood the consequences and the reasons why.






YR

 

[TNCowboy]

If that were a younger me on the video cursing at that woman, my father would've beaten me senseless.

 

[03EBZ06]

The pledge is more than $200,000 now and growing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think reasoning with the child is the problem.

I think a big part of what has happened is that we went decades with parents always backing the teachers and administrators over the kids in school. It's human nature that when you give absolute power to a certain group of people, some will wind up abusing it.

We had a collection of movies from the 80's based on the theme of the teachers/administrators abusing their power with kids. Those movie writers didn't just come up with it out of the blue. And they didn't become wildly popular for no reason. They became wildly popular because the story resonated with so many teenagers.

Well, now those teenagers have grown up and have kids of their own. They know what stunts some of the teachers/administrators pulled on them and they are bound and determined to not let it happen to their kids. So they have now taken it to the other extreme, thinking that their child is innocent and the teacher/administator is the bad guy.

It's what happens when you have situations that run in extremes, eventually things get overturned and they now go in the other extreme.

I know I would never ever do this when I was their age. For starters, I knew the consequences of this being found out by my parents were too severe for me to ever even chance it.

But more importantly, my parents taught me to respect my elders because they know more than I do.

Even still, the woman's age is of secondary importance to me. What really bothers me is they said these nasty things, unprovoked. And to top that, they continued with them while the woman was in tears. I don't care if they did this to a 25-year old, 6'5" 250 lb MMA fighter, it's still wickedly cruel.

And that's what my parents, and I'm sure many of the parents on this forum, teach their children...how would you like it if somebody did that you or to your grandmother?

Personally, I don't think it has to do with reasoning with the kids. I think it has to do with doing a poor job of reasoning with kids. I think you can't just 100% punish or 100% reason with kids. I think you have to do both. And I think that is why most of the people on the forum would never do this as well, they understood the consequences and the reasons why.






YR

As a kid my folks believed the teacher why? because I would lie my butt off it I thought it would get me out of trouble.

What I mean by reasoning those who only want to talk about that what they did was wrong, hell that is a free pass for the kid. If all my folks did was talk I would do what ever I wanted to knowing they will do nothing but talk.

My folk spanked me as a child and as I got older I got grounded (I would have rather had the spanking) :laugh2:

However as I matured and became a man I looked back at the disapline my folks instilled in me and thankful they did. Closer to them now than ever.

 

[Future]

Not sure it is harassment as it wasn't ongoing.

I wonder who the rat was that videoed the proceedings and then gave it to the news organizations.

Also hard to charge on that video as you don't see who is saying it. She also wasn't looking at all of them so she couldn't identify who did it.

One of the kids who did it posted it on youtube...:laugh2:

This happened in Greece, like 40 min away from me in Rochester and it has been EVERYWHERE.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The pledge is more than $200,000 now and growing.

For $200K, I'd let those kids say whatever they wanted to me. I'd even give them some tears to make it look good.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What I mean by reasoning those who only want to talk about that what they did was wrong, hell that is a free pass for the kid. If all my folks did was talk I would do what ever I wanted to knowing they will do nothing but talk.

Reasoning with your children and communicating with them is not the problem.

I can tell you of numerous friends I grew up with whose parents treated situations with 100% punishment and no reasoning. And they wound up either in prison, drug issues or having no relationship with their parents.

Going with 100% punishment doesn't automatically turn your child into a good person because they may just not do things solely in fear of punishment, instead of understanding *why* it's wrong.

Obviously 100% reasoning doesn't work either, like you stated.

Truth be told, with 100% punishment kids will often figure out how to skirt around that. Figure out what they can do without getting punished. Or they'll figure out how to not get caught.

The next time, these kids may just find a way to do this to somebody and make sure there are no cameras. But, if they understood why it's bad and cruel, maybe they don't do it to anybody because they've learned how to be compassionate towards other people.










YR

 

[Muhast]

"what is he doing? Oh he's probably dead. Kinda like you will be in a few years you old ***".

I would be so ashamed of my child. I couldn't imagine sitting on that bus and not whooping up on those kids.

 

[Doomsday101]

Reasoning with your children and communicating with them is not the problem.

I can tell you of numerous friends I grew up with whose parents treated situations with 100% punishment and no reasoning. And they wound up either in prison, drug issues or having no relationship with their parents.

Going with 100% punishment doesn't automatically turn your child into a good person because they may just not do things solely in fear of punishment, instead of understanding *why* it's wrong.

Obviously 100% reasoning doesn't work either, like you stated.

Truth be told, with 100% punishment kids will often figure out how to skirt around that. Figure out what they can do without getting punished. Or they'll figure out how to not get caught.

The next time, these kids may just find a way to do this to somebody and make sure there are no cameras. But, if they understood why it's bad and cruel, maybe they don't do it to anybody because they've learned how to be compassionate towards other people.










YR

My folks punished they also explained why they did, but it was never up for debate or any question of what was acceptable or not they were the parents I was the child what they said was law. Of course as you get older you make your own choices and as a parent hope what you instilled will be enough for that person to make good choices in life and understand that with all choices come consequences. Believe me my folks were not mean people but they were not going to let me do as I choose to do and there were consequences for my actions.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I was just coming to post this.


I would literally beat my kids *** if I found out they were involved. This is what happens when kids aren't taught to respect their elders and not smacked when warranted

we give tots mixed messages

We tell them not to talk to strangers, not to go with someone just because they are older, that they only have to listen to their parents (even then that is not always the case), challenge authority not to take crap from anyone, but then we get mad when they allegedly act like this.

I believe it was easier being a child in my day than today.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I don't think reasoning with the child is the problem.

I think a big part of what has happened is that we went decades with parents always backing the teachers and administrators over the kids in school. It's human nature that when you give absolute power to a certain group of people, some will wind up abusing it.

We had a collection of movies from the 80's based on the theme of the teachers/administrators abusing their power with kids. Those movie writers didn't just come up with it out of the blue. And they didn't become wildly popular for no reason. They became wildly popular because the story resonated with so many teenagers.

Well, now those teenagers have grown up and have kids of their own. They know what stunts some of the teachers/administrators pulled on them and they are bound and determined to not let it happen to their kids. So they have now taken it to the other extreme, thinking that their child is innocent and the teacher/administator is the bad guy.

It's what happens when you have situations that run in extremes, eventually things get overturned and they now go in the other extreme.

I know I would never ever do this when I was their age. For starters, I knew the consequences of this being found out by my parents were too severe for me to ever even chance it.

But more importantly, my parents taught me to respect my elders because they know more than I do.

Even still, the woman's age is of secondary importance to me. What really bothers me is they said these nasty things, unprovoked. And to top that, they continued with them while the woman was in tears. I don't care if they did this to a 25-year old, 6'5" 250 lb MMA fighter, it's still wickedly cruel.

And that's what my parents, and I'm sure many of the parents on this forum, teach their children...how would you like it if somebody did that you or to your grandmother?

Personally, I don't think it has to do with reasoning with the kids. I think it has to do with doing a poor job of reasoning with kids. I think you can't just 100% punish or 100% reason with kids. I think you have to do both. And I think that is why most of the people on the forum would never do this as well, they understood the consequences and the reasons why.






YR

I know I don't back the teacher if they crap on my son at school. I advocate for him and tell the teacher that they were wrong.

Irony is, I will accept my son's hockey coaches being hard on him but not his teachers.