'boys Offer 2nd Round Tender To Austin, Proctor, Bowen & Hurd!

[Kangaroo]

I guess it's not that big of a deal. $1.5M or whatever is pretty insignificant to the salary cap as a whole.

I can't imagine why they'd keep Proctor. He was dreadful.

If anyone offers him a bag of peanuts let them sign; do not match take the pick and run

 

[hockix]

If the money is not garanteed... why does anyone is upset about the tender.

If they find anybody in the draft or FA, they will be cut anyway.
If we lose any of them, we will get a second round.... what's the problem with it???

And it is just 500k more than the standard tender.

If it is not garanteed... please tell me what you are crying for???

 

[AbeBeta]

If the money is not garanteed... why does anyone is upset about the tender.

Because a lot of people on this board don't understand even the basics of NFL contracts and want to act like the fly off the handle idiots they hear on sports talk radio all day.

 

[dcfanatic]

I expected everyone except Hurd. What I can't understand is why everyone thought Proctor wouldn't. The man is our backup center and a backup guard. Yeah, he isn't very good but who is going to take his place at center. Nobody on the roster plays center beside Gurode. Are you going to draft a center high enough to take his place???? No. You are going to use the second round choice on the best player you can find and that probably won't be a center.

You MUST have a backup center. He is versatile by playing two positions and he has starting experience. It was an easy choice.

It's February. I think we can get a FA off the street who is a C/G that can be the backup before September.

And hopefully one that doesn't get tossed around like a rag doll.

 

[dcfanatic]

Because a lot of people on this board don't understand even the basics of NFL contracts and want to act like the fly off the handle idiots they hear on sports talk radio all day.

Or we are tired of seeing the same backups who never press the starters for playing time and then seeing them have to play due to injury and seeing them play poorly.

Not that this could be possible though because we are all idiots flying off the handle, lol.

This isn't USC where we have 135 roster spots ya know.

 

[AbeBeta]

Or we are tired of seeing the same backups who never press the starters for playing time and then seeing them have to play due to injury and seeing them play poorly.

Not that this could be possible though because we are all idiots flying off the handle, lol.

This isn't USC where we have 135 roster spots ya know.

Again, understand the contracts. All these deals mean is that we keep their rights and they compete for a spot. If we get enough depth in that spot via the draft or HA, some of these guys may not even make it to camp. Proctor is the one most folks are freaking about -- yes. He sucks but since we don't have a single backup center on the roster and we are likely not finding one until April or May, it doesn't hurt to keep him around.

We don't have 135 roster spots but we also don't have ANYONE else right now at the position so it isn't like Proctor is displacing anybody.

 

[dcfanatic]

Again, understand the contracts. All these deals mean is that we keep their rights and they compete for a spot. If we get enough depth in that spot via the draft or HA, some of these guys may not even make it to camp. Proctor is the one most folks are freaking about -- yes. He sucks but since we don't have a single backup center on the roster and we are likely not finding one until April or May, it doesn't hurt to keep him around.

We don't have 135 roster spots but we also don't have ANYONE else right now at the position so it isn't like Proctor is displacing anybody.

IMO, he was so bad I don't even want him using the weight room anymore at VR, lol.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Again, understand the contracts. All these deals mean is that we keep their rights and they compete for a spot. If we get enough depth in that spot via the draft or HA, some of these guys may not even make it to camp. Proctor is the one most folks are freaking about -- yes. He sucks but since we don't have a single backup center on the roster and we are likely not finding one until April or May, it doesn't hurt to keep him around.

We don't have 135 roster spots but we also don't have ANYONE else right now at the position so it isn't like Proctor is displacing anybody.

Exactly. What's the big deal? These offers aren't guaranteed, so we can cut them whenever we want.

We'll probably draft a replacement for CP, but if the cards don't fall right and we can't, this just provides a little insurance.

 

[hockix]

Exactly. What's the big deal? These offers aren't guaranteed, so we can cut them whenever we want.

We'll probably draft a replacement for CP, but if the cards don't fall right and we can't, this just provides a little insurance.

I think some just use hate instead of logic on the guy.
We simply have nobody else yet and it doesn't cost an arm to keep him for now. If we do get a replacement than get rid of him not before.

 

[Alexander]

Again, understand the contracts. All these deals mean is that we keep their rights and they compete for a spot. If we get enough depth in that spot via the draft or HA, some of these guys may not even make it to camp. Proctor is the one most folks are freaking about -- yes. He sucks but since we don't have a single backup center on the roster and we are likely not finding one until April or May, it doesn't hurt to keep him around.

We don't have 135 roster spots but we also don't have ANYONE else right now at the position so it isn't like Proctor is displacing anybody.

Understandable. And this very well could be the case.

However, giving the tender and all but securing their rights might also mean we could just as easily assume that is taken care of and we don't actively seek improvement. That is what bothers me about this.

We have not been the team that has really gone deep into competition and with the continuity theme that is looks to be real, I am not certain we address what should be a need. There are too many times we don't address areas until there is something drastic that happens and we learn the hard way about contingency plans. See the backup QB situation for example. See the LT situation a few years ago.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Austin will not go anywhere... I wonder why on Earth they offered 2nd round tenders to Proctor and Hurd??

 

[hockix]

Understandable. And this very well could be the case.

However, giving the tender and all but securing their rights might also mean we could just as easily assume that is taken care of and we don't actively seek improvement. That is what bothers me about this.

We have not been the team that has really gone deep into competition and with the continuity theme that is looks to be real, I am not certain we address what should be a need. There are too many times we don't address areas until there is something drastic that happens and we learn the hard way about contingency plans. See the backup QB situation for example. See the LT situation a few years ago.

Heu.. I think the LT situation is still a problem and hope we draft one cause I really don't trust Adams.

But it doesnt mean they don't think about improving the Oline.

I have to agree with you about the QB, that was simply stupid, everybody could see that Brad was done.

 

[Alexander]

Austin will not go anywhere... I wonder why on Earth they offered 2nd round tenders to Proctor and Hurd??

It suggests how serious they are about keeping the player.

We can't forget about the message it sends to them as well. Here is our level of faith in you. Here is what we are willing to pay you should you make the team. It is not just about keeping players you don't believe can fit into your plans.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

It suggests how serious they are about keeping the player.

We can't forget about the message it sends to them as well. Here is our level of faith in you. Here is what we are willing to pay you should you make the team. It is not just about keeping players you don't believe can fit into your plans.

Proctor is better served as a backup center, he's certainly no LG. I think you can find a better backup in the draft honestly. As far as Hurd is concerned, they guy isn't worth keeping around.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Proctor is better served as a backup center, he's certainly no LG. I think you can find a better backup in the draft honestly. As far as Hurd is concerned, they guy isn't worth keeping around.

Hurd staying around is something i will never understand. The guy has no speed at all. Roy Williams could probably cover him man to man. If Patrick Crayton is faster than you then that is a problem. The only thing positive i see in Hurd is he is a good special teams player.

 

[dueyhemlock]

If Austin walks, do we get the 2nd rounder this year or next?

This year.

Yep, slicks on the money:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_free_agent

In the National Football League, a restricted free agent (RFA) is one with three accrued seasons of service, who has received a "qualifying" offer (a salary level predetermined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and its players) from his current club. He can negotiate with any club through a certain date. If the restricted free agent accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club has "right of first refusal," a seven-day period in which it may match the offer and retain him, or choose not to match the offer, in which case it may receive one or more draft picks for the upcoming draft from the player's new club. If an offer sheet is not executed, the player's rights revert to his old club the day after negotiations must end.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It's February. I think we can get a FA off the street who is a C/G that can be the backup before September.

And hopefully one that doesn't get tossed around like a rag doll.

Not only do we have to find one that won't be tossed around like a rag doll, he has to be affordable. Proctor at $1.5M is affordable compared to other expereinced center / guard at $4-$5M /yr when you're trying to resign Ware (and possibly others including draft picks)

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Exactly. What's the big deal? These offers aren't guaranteed, so we can cut them whenever we want.

We'll probably draft a replacement for CP, but if the cards don't fall right and we can't, this just provides a little insurance.

After thinking about it, that's the conclusion I came up with.

It's not for Proctor being insurance at guard, but at center.

And if the team can't uncover a better center through the draft or off the waiver wire then Proctor is it.

 

[dueyhemlock]

Originally Posted by Cowboys22
These tenders are merely guarantees that the team maintains their rights through this offseason, not guarantees they will make the final roster.

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan
I'm pretty sure if they sign the tender, it's guaranteed.

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab
Exactly. What's the big deal? These offers aren't guaranteed, so we can cut them whenever we want.

I thought the tenders weren't guaranteed but I'm not so sure. Are tags and tenders the same once signed ???

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Restricted free agent tenders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_free_agent
Each player that signs a tender receives the one-year salary that corresponds to the tender level.

Franchise tag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_player
A team can designate a single player as its franchise player and therefore restrict the player from entering free agency. In return, the team must pay the player a premium salary

 

[AbeBeta]

I thought the tenders weren't guaranteed but I'm not so sure. Are tags and tenders the same once signed ???

They are both the same. Neither is a guaranteed.