Brad Johnson's on board, no Harrington *merged*

[Crown Royal]

Want a starting calibre backup - you have to draft him. Otherwise, too much focus is being given to the backup position. If any of the guys I mentioned would have to play over the course of a season, we'd be in trouble.


Gee what is Gruden thinking?

Have you paid any attention to the QB situation in Tampa, and what Gruden is doing? He has acquired 3 starting caliber QBs. Simms, Garcia, and Plummer.

I only see one plausible starter on that list. I also see the sunken dreams of UT fans everywhere that still want to be vindicated, but will always be disappointed. I also see a guy who has fooled 2 franchises and wants to try again with another.

BTW - Plummer wasn't aquired in free agency.

 

[Hostile]

That's cuz I got skillz.

merged....:laugh2: hilarity.

:wink2:

 

[Crown Royal]

Did you ever notice that all the proven NFL superbowl contender teams have an older, more experienced QB as a backup?

Cincy: A. Wright
Jacksonville: Garrard
KC: Huard
NO: J. Martin
Philly: Feely
NE: Testeverde
Pitt: Batch
SD: Volek
St. Louis: Ferotte
Carolina: Wienke
Chicago: Griese

With the exception of a few who have younger qbs w/less experience (mainly because the starters are getting older or the backup qbs have shown tremendous potential):

Seattle: Wallace
Baltimore: Boller
Atlanta: Schaub
Indy: Sorgi

So this isn't like it is out of the ordinary.

Add to that Sorgi has never really played well in garbage time.

 

[randy932]

I only see one plausible starter on that list. I also see the sunken dreams of UT fans everywhere that still want to be vindicated, but will always be disappointed. I also see a guy who has fooled 2 franchises and wants to try again with another.

BTW - Plummer wasn't aquired in free agency.

All three guys were starters last year.

Plummer was not drafted by Tampa either.

 

[zrinkill]

This smells of a JJ orchestrated move.

My hunch is JJ is closer to the role he played during the Campo years then the role he played in the Parcells years.

Yea because we all know that Parcells never hired an old QB who was over the hill .....

Oh wait.

you haven't a clue on what I stated.

Yea ...... I do

 

[Crown Royal]

All three guys were starters last year.

Plummer was not drafted by Tampa either.

So what? Johnson started too - doesn't mean he is starting calibre.

 

[montgod]

Want a starting calibre backup - you have to draft him. Otherwise, too much focus is being given to the backup position. If any of the guys I mentioned would have to play over the course of a season, we'd be in trouble.


Gee what is Gruden thinking?

Have you paid any attention to the QB situation in Tampa, and what Gruden is doing? He has acquired 3 starting caliber QBs. Simms, Garcia, and Plummer.

So are you saying this is the way to go in having 3 starting caliber qbs? Not only that, I wouldn't really include Plummer since I am sure Gruden would not have wasted a draft pick for him if he knew he was going to retire or signed Garcia if Plummer would have played.

 

[randy932]

So are you saying this is the way to go in having 3 starting caliber qbs? Not only that, I wouldn't really include Plummer since I am sure Gruden would not have wasted a draft pick for him if he knew he was going to retire or signed Garcia if Plummer would have played.

I was merely pointing out to Crown Royal that there are, indeed, more ways to acquire starting Caliber QBs than to draft them. I am not necessarily addressing whether this is the PROPER way to acquire talent.

BTW - In a different illustration that Crown Royal's assertion that the only way to acquire an NFL, starting caliber QB is to draft them - Tony Romo was not drafted.

 

[randy932]

I'd like his thoughts on collecting knives.

I'd like for you to tell us what you got against collecting knives.

Then you can tell us what your penchant for collecting Fatheads of Ricky Ray represents.

 

[philo beddoe]

I was thinking the same thing my man. LOL. How you've been? Your thoughts on the BJ signing?

I'd like his thoughts on collecting knives.

If we draft a QB say round 4, and Romo were to go down for that length of time I think you might see him get a lot of work. Johnson is a patch, not a repair. He's here to mentor Romo and whomever we draft.

This "mentor" thing is making me sick.

I'm not sure I agree. Seems to me Wade would go with the veteran if we were in the hunt and Romo goes down long term. No way I see a 4th round rookie come in ahead of Johnson in this scenario. That's why this decision was such a blunder.
Another concern, what happens if Romo tanks (unlikely, but he's only got 1/2 season under his belt)? We rely on ole BJ to carry us to the promised land?? Geez.

Excellent post, brother. Kudos to you.

Carr and Harrington have never had the supporting cast that Johnson once had with the Vikes (his first go around with them) or the Bucs.

NO ONE wins in Detroit. Will someone please name all the great QBs that the Lions have had? That organization is like quicksand, every single QB fails there.

keyword being backup.

One injury away from being the starter. We needed a BETTER backup.

I trust JJ's opinion on QBs more than yours.

Really? How about Quincy Carter? LOL. My point is made, I believe.

Consider yourselves sucked.

I wonder if prophet understands how much more valuable philo is to the forum than prophet? We could definitely do without prophet....philo, not so much. Irreplaceable.

Thanks, bro, I'm touched.

Exactly ...... some of these people want our backup to be starter material .....

News Flash people ...... there are more Teams than there are starting caliber QB's in the league.

Thats why guys who come in like Garcia did last year only stay backups for one year......

Your standards are in the cellar, guy.

I find it astounding that so many are ready to dismiss the back up QB position. I guess you guys don't remember Garcia having to come in for McNabb, or Dilfer having to come in for the Ravens a few years ago, or Plummer being replaced last season....or gosh, how about Romo coming in for Bledsoe last season. Yeah sure, the back up QB position is not important. LOL. Get real people. :war:

Quincy Carter vs. Ricky Ray??

hmmm, there's not many QBs I'd take the Q over, but Ray has to be one of them.

Ray is a star in the CFL, where the great Q was cut early in training camp.

 

[peplaw06]

Really? How about Quincy Carter? LOL. My point is made, I believe.

Quincy Carter vs. Ricky Ray??

hmmm, there's not many QBs I'd take the Q over, but Ray has to be one of them.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

 

[zrinkill]

 

[malbis030347]

would not surprise me if one of these 3 guys -Ramsey, Harrington and Rattay may sign with us down the road..Matt Baker gets assigned to NFL Europe.
Romo starts with Johnson as emergency backup and tutor, one of the the other 3 we sign as the third QB trains and gets groomed to be the true backup QB after Johnson gets cut or retires in a year or 2...
..sound far-fetched?

 

[newlander]

Listen guys, I respect alot of your opinions, but this idea that Ramsey or Harrington could/would come in and be a solid backup is laughable. I live in Michigan and Harrington is a whiney cancer. Not even CLOSE to being a leader, and is just not respected in the locker room. Same thing for Ramsey, they are one in the same. Some decent physical tools but NO mental toughness whatsoever. With that being said, Brad Johnson is just the opposite. Great leader, a WINNER , very respected and TOUGH. He's a football player and a solid mentor for Romo. I don't deny he's on the downside of his career, but if he wasn't we wouldn't have been able to sign him at all. So stop whining and be grateful.

 

[philo beddoe]

would not surprise me if one of these 3 guys -Ramsey, Harrington and Rattay may sign with us down the road..Matt Baker gets assigned to NFL Europe.
Romo starts with Johnson as emergency backup and tutor, one of the the other 3 we sign as the third QB trains and gets groomed to be the true backup QB after Johnson gets cut or retires in a year or 2...
..sound far-fetched?

Interesting.............................................

 

[Doomsday101]

would not surprise me if one of these 3 guys -Ramsey, Harrington and Rattay may sign with us down the road..Matt Baker gets assigned to NFL Europe.
Romo starts with Johnson as emergency backup and tutor, one of the the other 3 we sign as the third QB trains and gets groomed to be the true backup QB after Johnson gets cut or retires in a year or 2...
..sound far-fetched?

Pretty far fetched. Dallas would be better off looking to the draft if the intent is to have a young QB waiting in the wings. In the meantime Romo is the starting QB and should be for a while.

 

[peplaw06]

Listen guys, I respect alot of your opinions, but this idea that Ramsey or Harrington could/would come in and be a solid backup is laughable. I live in Michigan and Harrington is a whiney cancer. Not even CLOSE to being a leader, and is just not respected in the locker room. Same thing for Ramsey, they are one in the same. Some decent physical tools but NO mental toughness whatsoever. With that being said, Brad Johnson is just the opposite. Great leader, a WINNER , very respected and TOUGH. He's a football player and a solid mentor for Romo. I don't deny he's on the downside of his career, but if he wasn't we wouldn't have been able to sign him at all. So stop whining and be grateful.

It all depends on what you want. If you want somebody who can come in and possibly win you a few games in a pinch, then IMO Johnson is the best option. If you want a young guy with some upside who could be a decent starter someday then Ramsey/Harrington... but those guys just aren't as dependable as Johnson right now.

 

[joseephuss]

Really? How about Quincy Carter? LOL. My point is made, I believe.

What point are you making? I didn't say Jerry Jones was a great evaluater of QB talent. Just that he was better than The Prophet. Jerry made a mistake with Quincy. Still Jerry knows more than The Prophet who is touting Joey Harrington. Joey by the way has worse career stats than Quincy Carter.

Joey
55.2% completion percentage
5.7 YPA
10.3 YPC
3.3% TD percentage
3.5% INT percentage
68.14 QB rating

Quincy
56.4% completion percentage
6.6 YPA
11.7 YPC
3.3% TD percentage
3.9% INT percentage
71.62 QB rating

So, if Jerry is bad, then The Prophet is worse. Again, what point are you trying to make?

 

[TheProphet]

What point are you making? I didn't say Jerry Jones was a great evaluater of QB talent. Just that he was better than The Prophet. Jerry made a mistake with Quincy. Still Jerry knows more than The Prophet who is touting Joey Harrington. Joey by the way has worse career stats than Quincy Carter.

Joey
55.2% completion percentage
5.7 YPA
10.3 YPC
3.3% TD percentage
3.5% INT percentage
68.14 QB rating

Quincy
56.4% completion percentage
6.6 YPA
11.7 YPC
3.3% TD percentage
3.9% INT percentage
71.62 QB rating

So, if Jerry is bad, then The Prophet is worse. Again, what point are you trying to make?

You can throw up all the stats you want friend, but 99.9% of those on this board would side with me in stating that Harrington has vastly more upside then your boy Q. The Lions are probably the worst team in the league over the past 5 years or so. Q had a great defense under BP to carry him into the playoffs despite his piss poor play.
Besides, I'm not convinced that JJ is a better evaluator of talent then I am based on what I've seen over the past 10 years. LOL :laugh2: