Brad Johnson's on board, no Harrington *merged*

[Doomsday101]

Come on brother, you can not tell us that the lowly Texans and Lions are "loaded" with talent. They may have some good recievers and a decent RB, but it takes 11 guys on each side of the ball to win ball games. Their respective OL's and defenses sucked. Kind of hard to do well at the QB position when you are running for your life and always trying to play catch up because your defense can't keep the opponent out of the end zone.

I can tell you Carr and Harrington need a lot of one on one work to become decent QB and as a backup we don't have the time to train them. Johnson comes in as a backup and has shown himself more than capable of doing the job.

 

[WoodysGirl]

For some reason, an Allen Iverson moment came over me, but instead of practice, it's backup.

In Iverson's voice: "Hey I hear you, it's funny to me to, hey it's strange to me too but we're talking about the backup man, we're not even talking about the starter, the guy who actually matters, we're talking about the backup."

 

[TheProphet]

I don't know any of that stuff you are speculating is true. Although it all could be true, it all could be false too. I personally don't believe that JJ is pulling all the strings like in the Campo years. I think he would listen to Garrett since Garrett coached him last year. I know JJ listened to Wade about who he wanted for DC, otherwise the DC would now be Todd Bowles. I also think that Jason Garrett's title was a decision made together with Phillips. But, I could be wrong, just as you could be.

That is true my friend. That's why they call it a discussion board. My hunch is JJ is closer to the role he played during the Campo years then the role he played in the Parcells years.

 

[randy932]

I think the same thing I thought in all the other backup threads - there is not enough difference between the Harringtons & Ramseys & Johnsons & Rattays of this world for it to matter. The only difference between any of them is Johnson has won, but is older.

Personally, I wanted Ramsey because I've always liked his grit, but I don't really think he could come in and play for any stretch. None of them could. That is why they are backups & not starters.

You aren't going to sign a Matt Schaub or Damon Huard in free agency and expect him to stay a backup. Want a starting calibre backup - you have to draft him. Otherwise, too much focus is being given to the backup position. If any of the guys I mentioned would have to play over the course of a season, we'd be in trouble.

/thread

Yeah? Gee, what ever in the world is Gruden thinking?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I couldn't tell if you were imitating philo/Prophet or Jon Gruden...

 

[zrinkill]

That is true my friend. That's why they call it a discussion board. My hunch is JJ is closer to the role he played during the Campo years then the role he played in the Parcells years.

Yea because we all know that Parcells never hired an old QB who was over the hill .....

Oh wait.

 

[Crown Royal]

I find it astounding that so many are ready to dismiss the back up QB position. I guess you guys don't remember Garcia having to come in for McNabb, or Dilfer having to come in for the Ravens a few years ago, or Plummer being replaced last season....or gosh, how about Romo coming in for Bledsoe last season. Yeah sure, the back up QB position is not important. LOL. Get real people. :war:

You do realize that 2 years before Garcia was a backup in Philly he was stinking it up in Detroit & Cleveland, right? I mean - it isn't like the eagles went out and signed a guy who had been playing well. They got someone and hit on him.

Again. Not enough difference between the candidates for it to matter.

 

[Doomsday101]

That is true my friend. That's why they call it a discussion board. My hunch is JJ is closer to the role he played during the Campo years then the role he played in the Parcells years.

Because we brought in Johnson all of a sudden Jerry is back to his old tricks? Lets see who were the 2 QB's Parcells brought in? Many teams who have a young QB look for a vet to work behind them, Romo will need more reps and time with the offense and having a guy who has been around and has shown the ability to come off the bench and perform is a smart move by Dallas.

 

[Crown Royal]

Yeah? Gee, what ever in the world is Gruden thinking?

Wait...what?

 

[DCBoysfan]

If he was signed only to coach Romo, then why in the same heck do we have a QB coach on the payroll??? Sorry guy, a backup has to be able to come in off the bench and actually play if necessary. No way Johnson can do that anywhere close to the level he did 5-10 years ago.

Because just like Romo has credited V. Testerverde with showing him how to study film and to prepared for an NFL game Brad Johnson can do the same thing. And "guy" Brad Johnson did lead the Vikings on a 5-6 game winning streak just two years ago to end their season at .500. So the old man can come in and play on a short term basis if need be.

 

[Alexander]

I find it astounding that so many are ready to dismiss the back up QB position. I guess you guys don't remember Garcia having to come in for McNabb, or Dilfer having to come in for the Ravens a few years ago, or Plummer being replaced last season....or gosh, how about Romo coming in for Bledsoe last season. Yeah sure, the back up QB position is not important. LOL. Get real people. :war:

Nobody is dismissing the significance of the backup position. You should be happy we are actually investing time and energy into it for once after walking a tight rope for three years.

This was a step towards getting real. A veteran who has won is precisely what you just mention in Garcia and Dilfer.

You just don't care for the choice, but the logic is secure.

 

[TheProphet]

Yea because we all know that Parcells never hired an old QB who was over the hill .....

Oh wait.

Best re-read my comments ole buddy, because based on your response, you haven't a clue on what I stated. This should surprise no one. LOL.

 

[juck]

harrington sucks.

 

[randy932]

That is true my friend. That's why they call it a discussion board. My hunch is JJ is closer to the role he played during the Campo years then the role he played in the Parcells years.

So far, it looks to me that he is more of a blend of the two Jerrys. Yes, he is involved, but he is listening to his football guys now.

 

[TheProphet]

You do realize that 2 years before Garcia was a backup in Philly he was stinking it up in Detroit & Cleveland, right? I mean - it isn't like the eagles went out and signed a guy who had been playing well. They got someone and hit on him.

Again. Not enough difference between the candidates for it to matter.

You do realize that Johnson is 39 years old, right? How many great back up years do you think we can get out of him? Also Garcia sucking it up in Cleveland and Detroit was more of a result of the lousy rosters those squads had versus his talent.

I say we should have gone for a talented younger candidate, that's all.

 

[TheProphet]

harrington sucks.

Gee thanks for your thought provoking input to this thread.

 

[superpunk]

I couldn't tell if you were imitating philo/Prophet or Jon Gruden...

That's cuz I got skillz.

merged....:laugh2: hilarity.

 

[randy932]

Wait...what?

Want a starting calibre backup - you have to draft him. Otherwise, too much focus is being given to the backup position. If any of the guys I mentioned would have to play over the course of a season, we'd be in trouble.


Gee what is Gruden thinking?

Have you paid any attention to the QB situation in Tampa, and what Gruden is doing? He has acquired 3 starting caliber QBs. Simms, Garcia, and Plummer.

 

[montgod]

Did you ever notice that all the proven NFL superbowl contender teams have an older, more experienced QB as a backup?

Cincy: A. Wright
Jacksonville: Garrard
KC: Huard
NO: J. Martin
Philly: Feely
NE: Testeverde
Pitt: Batch
SD: Volek
St. Louis: Ferotte
Carolina: Wienke
Chicago: Griese

With the exception of a few who have younger qbs w/less experience (mainly because the starters are getting older or the backup qbs have shown tremendous potential):

Seattle: Wallace
Baltimore: Boller
Atlanta: Schaub
Indy: Sorgi

So this isn't like it is out of the ordinary.

 

[Doomsday101]

Want a starting calibre backup - you have to draft him. Otherwise, too much focus is being given to the backup position. If any of the guys I mentioned would have to play over the course of a season, we'd be in trouble.


Gee what is Gruden thinking?

Have you paid any attention to the QB situation in Tampa, and what Gruden is doing? He has acquired 3 starting caliber QBs. Simms, Garcia, and Plummer.

Garica as well is up in age and Plummer does not want to go.